BlingCrosby Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 We could do a lot worse than them, particularly Arfield, who Chelsea looked at last year apparently. It seems our new model is buy em, blood em for 2/3 seasons and then sell em for a profit. While we wont be winning the champions league with that ethos, im glad to see sence break out in our spending. In Shaba we trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Hughes has said quite a few times Arfield would be their first ?1m player, even before he broke into the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMA MAROON Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Where is the money coming from? Hearts handing over ?2 million. No chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Where is the money coming from? Hearts handing over ?2 million. No chance. where's the ?2 million figure coming from? do they get wages ?2 million players get? no danger will falkirk get anywhere near ?2 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 where's the ?2 million figure coming from? do they get wages ?2 million players get? no danger will falkirk get anywhere near ?2 million Did Craig Gordon get ?9m wages? They're both contracted long term and Falkirk aren't exactly in financial trouble, if they want a ?1m each we can't tell them otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Did Craig Gordon get ?9m wages? They're both contracted long term and Falkirk aren't exactly in financial trouble, if they want a ?1m each we can't tell them otherwise. craig gordon was on anything from 12 to 15 thousand a week! the falkirk lads be on no more than a grand a week and would probably treble there wages at tynecastle, agents know that and if falkirk played silly games they would end up with unhappy players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Did Craig Gordon get ?9m wages? They're both contracted long term and Falkirk aren't exactly in financial trouble, if they want a ?1m each we can't tell them otherwise. I thought Gordon was on 18,000 a week when we sold him. If true then we got what he was worth based on that. Barr and the other guy are not making those kind of salaries at Falkirk. Personaly I think Hearts got wind of the Scottish cup draw beforehand and it's just a ploy to unsettle them before the cup game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 craig gordon was on anything from 12 to 15 thousand a week! the falkirk lads be on no more than a grand a week and would probably treble there wages at tynecastle, agents know that and if falkirk played silly games they would end up with unhappy players. They also know of the "glitches" which we seem to get with wages sometimes and of Vlads prior interference etc. Things are looking better yes but we're hardly Barcelona and i seriously doubt either player would complain if Falkirk turned down an offer from us, especially when neither are Hearts fans and in Arfields case particuarly, see themselves at a bigger club than us in the future. Given we haven't actually spent a fee under Csaba and if anything look more likely to sell players this window, i can't see us spending anywhere near what those two would cost. PS O'Connor is on more than ?12k at Birmingham, it's a good salary by SPL standards but it doesn't make a price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzbombheed Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Not a snowballs chance in hell folks. These two are off down South, possibly with Yogi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 They also know of the "glitches" which we seem to get with wages sometimes and of Vlads prior interference etc. Things are looking better yes but we're hardly Barcelona and i seriously doubt either player would complain if Falkirk turned down an offer from us, especially when neither are Hearts fans and in Arfields case particuarly, see themselves at a bigger club than us in the future. Given we haven't actually spent a fee under Csaba and if anything look more likely to sell players this window, i can't see us spending anywhere near what those two would cost. PS O'Connor is on more than ?12k at Birmingham, it's a good salary by SPL standards but it doesn't make a price tag. it's a massive step up from falkirk to hearts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 it's a massive step up from falkirk to hearts No its not. If they were mucking around in the First Division, would agree with you. Falkirk are an established SPL side. Not saying I would take every player on their books, but its not a massive step up to Hearts (unfortunatly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 No its not. If they were mucking around in the First Division, would agree with you. Falkirk are an established SPL side. Not saying I would take every player on their books, but its not a massive step up to Hearts (unfortunatly) ga you're having a laugh! hearts are a far bigger club than falkirk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Arfield signed a 5 year deal last year (Feb 08). If he is on ?2,000 a week, we would need to pay Falkirk ?400,000 for his contract plus his fee, likely to be between ?200K-?500K so ?600K-?900K total. Darren Barr has 1 and a half years left on his deal. If he is on ?2,000 a week, that would be ?140,000 for his contract plus between ?150K-?300K so ?290K-?440K total. *I don't know their actual saleries or transfer fees, it's only an estimation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 it's a massive step up from falkirk to hearts We were below them last year. Obviously we're a bigger team but i doubt either player at that age will kick up a huge fuss if a bids turned down from us, it's not like they're going to win things here either, well not reguarly. Arfields got interest from the Premiership & Championship where he'll get even more than he would here and Barr'll probably end up at the huns imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 We were below them last year. Obviously we're a bigger team but i doubt either player at that age will kick up a huge fuss if a bids turned down from us, it's not like they're going to win things here either, well not reguarly. Arfields got interest from the Premiership & Championship where he'll get even more than he would here and Barr'll probably end up at the huns imo. i'm not saying they'll sign for hearts mate! what i said is falkirk won't get anywhere near ?2 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 No its not. If they were mucking around in the First Division, would agree with you. Falkirk are an established SPL side. Not saying I would take every player on their books, but its not a massive step up to Hearts (unfortunatly) Have to disagree with you there GA. In every single way other than playing in the same league the step up from Falkirk to hearts is massive. Saying thay I don't believe we will sign either of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 ga you're having a laugh! hearts are a far bigger club than falkirk. Hearts are a bigger club, but its not a "massive step" up as you posted several posts up. Its a step up - but not as big as you clearly think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 i'm not saying they'll sign for hearts mate! what i said is falkirk won't get anywhere near ?2 million Bigger stadium. Bigger expectations. Bigger wages. Expectations of what though? Europe? A cup run? Sorry, Falkirk players will be playing against the same players at the same stadiums as they are just now. Not denying its a step up, but a massive one? Not sure about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Hearts are a bigger club, but its not a "massive step" up as you posted several posts up. Its a step up - but not as big as you clearly think it is. massive imo mate! our history is miles ahead of them, our support is far bigger, our wage bill is miles ahead of them, if you put every falkirk player up for sale and done the same at hearts we'd be millions ahead of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 massive imo mate! our history is miles ahead of them, our support is far bigger, our wage bill is miles ahead of them, if you put every falkirk player up for sale and done the same at hearts we'd be millions ahead of them Is it a massive step up from Hearts to the OF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Is it a massive step up from Hearts to the OF? yes! quite clearly there winning leagues and in the champions league nearly every season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 yes! quite clearly there winning leagues and in the champions league nearly every season Its a step up - but I dont think its a massive one bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jambomickey Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Its a step up - but I dont think its a massive one bud. well we agree to disagree mate! as always i respect your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Hearts (as a club) is much bigger than Falkirk, if you were to go to Falkirk and looked at their facilities, stadium, fan base etc. it is smaller but as a team, Falkirk aren't that far beind Hearts, I'd still say we were bigger (slightly) because of the quality of player we have in Gorgie and expectations, Falkirk for the last few seasons have said they would like top-6 spot before a season begins, 90% of our fans say they think it's achievable to get a European place (some loopy supporters even think we could win the league:runaway:). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Its a step up - but I dont think its a massive one bud. Suppose it depends on how ambitious the player is. The Andy Websters of this world? It's a massive step. Mega bucks, playing for a team that wins trophies, playing infront of 50/60 thousand, Champions League. The James McFaddens/Craig Gordons of this world? Not so much of a step up. Yes, it has it's perks but to fulfill their ambitions England is the place to be. Playing with/against a superior standard of player and improving your game is what it's all about. I dunno about the Falkirk players but I suspect Driver/Berra fall into the 2nd category, which is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Suppose it depends on how ambitious the player is. The Andy Websters of this world? It's a massive step. Mega bucks, playing for a team that wins trophies, playing infront of 50/60 thousand, Champions League. The James McFaddens/Craig Gordons of this world? Not so much of a step up. Yes, it has it's perks but to fulfill their ambitions England is the place to be. Playing with/against a superior standard of player and improving your game is what it's all about. I dunno about the Falkirk players but I suspect Driver/Berra fall into the 2nd category, which is nice. You make some good points. Webster should never have been a massive step up though. He looks fecked now, but the Webster we seen for Hearts and Scotland would have easily slipped in to that Rangers back four. Ian Murray is another story altogether....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Hearts to Flakirk = a small step up Hearts to the Old Firm - a much bigger step up. They play in the Championsd League and win titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1874M Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 The Barr bid was meant to have been put in on Friday, was speaking to a guy last night who works for The Times or Independent sport's team. Thats us got no chance now! Cheers for jinx'n it HANS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 You make some good points. Webster should never have been a massive step up though. He looks fecked now, but the Webster we seen for Hearts and Scotland would have easily slipped in to that Rangers back four. Ian Murray is another story altogether....... Ian Murrays a cretin who is quite deservedly back where he started because of his greed and short sightedness. I don't know how ambitious Webster is/was but he definitely took the easy option. Maybe he never viewed it as a massive step? He was definitely ill advised by his agent but that's for another thread. Respect to guys like James Morrison, Craig Gordon, James McFadden who all saw past the OF and took the real big step in their career. If Gordhun Smith cared for our game at all he would be advising more players to follow that route instead of letting all our best prospects rot in the OF reserves. Anyway, this has no relevance to the thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Benoit Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 The one thing in our favour is that playing well for Hearts and playing well for Falkirk gets you a whole different level of recognition, if Gordon had been at Falkirk no way Sunderland would've forked out ?9 mill for him. Same if Berra was there now he wouldn't be drawing attention from clubs as big as he has been here (allegedly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Winstone Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Getting in either Barr and Arfield would be a tremendous capture for the club and getting both of them would be something special. However losing a player of Berra's standing within the squad both as an influence on the field and in the dressing room would be a huge loss at this stage in the campaign. I am not sure I would sacrifice Berra (if it was possible to keep him) in order to get these chaps in. Maybe punt Kingston and bring in Arfield and wait until the end of the season to sell Berra and get in Barr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Ian Murrays a cretin who is quite deservedly back where he started because of his greed and short sightedness. I don't know how ambitious Webster is/was but he definitely took the easy option. Maybe he never viewed it as a massive step? He was definitely ill advised by his agent but that's for another thread. Respect to guys like James Morrison, Craig Gordon, James McFadden who all saw past the OF and took the real big step in their career. If Gordhun Smith cared for our game at all he would be advising more players to follow that route instead of letting all our best prospects rot in the OF reserves. Anyway, this has no relevance to the thread! James Morrsion went from Middlesbrough (where he is originally from and came through the ranks) to West Brom, when and where were the Old Firm ever involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 James Morrsion went from Middlesbrough (where he is originally from and came through the ranks) to West Brom, when and where were the Old Firm ever involved? I was under the impression he was originally from Scotland! Schoolboy error on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboy81 Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Ian Murrays a cretin who is quite deservedly back where he started because of his greed and short sightedness. I don't know how ambitious Webster is/was but he definitely took the easy option. Maybe he never viewed it as a massive step? He was definitely ill advised by his agent but that's for another thread. Respect to guys like James Morrison, Craig Gordon, James McFadden who all saw past the OF and took the real big step in their career. If Gordhun Smith cared for our game at all he would be advising more players to follow that route instead of letting all our best prospects rot in the OF reserves. Anyway, this has no relevance to the thread! I heard Ihun was on 1k a week at Hibs and Rangers offered him 10. What would you have done? Don't think it was greed just the chance to better himself at a bigger club. Despite him being a tosser he's actually a pretty decent fullback and capable of moving on again to somewhere better. You could argue that players that head straight for the Championship are the greedy ones, playing for less prestigeous clubs for more money, not necessarily a higher level either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanananananana-angus Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I heard Ihun was on 1k a week at Hibs and Rangers offered him 10. What would you have done? Don't think it was greed just the chance to better himself at a bigger club. Despite him being a tosser he's actually a pretty decent fullback and capable of moving on again to somewhere better. You could argue that players that head straight for the Championship are the greedy ones, playing for less prestigeous clubs for more money, not necessarily a higher level either. Oops,I reckon you've dropped a bit of a clanger there hobo. Referring to Murray as Ihun is something a Hearts fan wouldn't do.IIRC Ihun was a hobo term given to "judas Murray" after joining the hated hun. The fact that Murray played for the hun is totally irrelevant as far as Hearts fans are concerned,to Hearts fans he always has and always will be a stinking hobo who once dyed 1973 into his skanky lice ridden hair. Well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Oops,I reckon you've dropped a bit of a clanger there hobo.Referring to Murray as Ihun is something a Hearts fan wouldn't do.IIRC Ihun was a hobo term given to "judas Murray" after joining the hated hun. The fact that Murray played for the hun is totally irrelevant as far as Hearts fans are concerned,to Hearts fans he always has and always will be a stinking hobo who once dyed 1973 into his skanky lice ridden hair. Well? Bang on Angus! Get this Hobo skank banned! :108years: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboy81 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Oops,I reckon you've dropped a bit of a clanger there hobo.Referring to Murray as Ihun is something a Hearts fan wouldn't do.IIRC Ihun was a hobo term given to "judas Murray" after joining the hated hun. The fact that Murray played for the hun is totally irrelevant as far as Hearts fans are concerned,to Hearts fans he always has and always will be a stinking hobo who once dyed 1973 into his skanky lice ridden hair. Well? Not really a clanger as i knew fine well some sad **** would would notice and reply Yes the hibs fans called him Ihun, it's also my wish to call him Ihun. I hope you will be able to get over this and move on. And if you can't tough tatties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Not really a clanger as i knew fine well some sad **** would would notice and reply Yes the hibs fans called him Ihun, it's also my wish to call him Ihun. I hope you will be able to get over this and move on. And if you can't tough tatties Hobo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootboy100 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I heard Ihun was on 1k a week at Hibs and Rangers offered him 10. What would you have done? Don't think it was greed just the chance to better himself at a bigger club. Despite him being a tosser he's actually a pretty decent fullback and capable of moving on again to somewhere better. You could argue that players that head straight for the Championship are the greedy ones, playing for less prestigeous clubs for more money, not necessarily a higher level either. His basic at der huns was nothing of the sort. Season 1 he was on ?3k pw Season 2 he was on ?4k pw Season 3 he was on ?5k pw Where his salary kicked on was when he played because he received a payment for playing which was quite chunky and doubled his weekly take and also dont forget the win bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Juan Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I have heard from a fairly good source (someone who works for the Inland Revenue) that Flakirk are in quite a bit of financial trouble at the moment so they may well be forced to accept cut price bids for there players in order to get some money in....whether we actually have any money to spend ourselves is a different matter, but we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocam2325 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I don't think there is any cance that Arfield will end up at Hearts. Slightly more chance with Barr but not much. I can't see how a club with the financial problems we have will be spending any money on transfers. Hope I'm wrong. IMO Both would be fantastic signings and would be a return to the sort of signing we used to have a habit of making. Perhaps a year from now, Barr on a pre contract might be a better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceske Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Burnley bid ?350k for Barr in the summer which was turned down. On a side note, we (Falkirk) have this morning signed Steven Pressley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsh Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Burnley bid ?350k for Barr in the summer which was turned down. On a side note, we (Falkirk) have this morning signed Steven Pressley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceske Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Your telling me chief...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheiky Baby Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I personally think it'd be two good signings if it happens (doubt it though) But to sacrifice Berra for them hmmmmmmmmmm... Hopefully we punt Kingston so money from him could fund it instead Here's hoping, never goes to plan though!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Burnley bid ?350k for Barr in the summer which was turned down. On a side note, we (Falkirk) have this morning signed Steven Pressley. really? Is hughes trying to balance youth with real age. seriously though if that is true then Falkirk have some of the best players who will be great coaches/managers. McCann will be a great coach and Elvis will be a great assistant or manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nanananananana-angus Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Not really a clanger as i knew fine well some sad **** would would notice and reply Yes the hibs fans called him Ihun, it's also my wish to call him Ihun. I hope you will be able to get over this and move on. And if you can't tough tatties Yeah, sure you did.What a predictable answer. Here I was thinking that trolling,personal insults weren't permitted on Jkb. Even if you're not a hobo,which I don't believe for one second, you've just admitted to deliberatley trying to noise up fellow Hearts fans. I think if you are going to carry on with your rediculous charade you're going to have to be a bit more careful in future.Sad hobo.:108years: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Burnley bid ?350k for Barr in the summer which was turned down. According to http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/f/falkirk/6088412.stm The contract that Barr signed in 2006 runs out at the end of this season so Falkirk might not reject ?350k quite so readily this month as they did in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 According to http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/f/falkirk/6088412.stm The contract that Barr signed in 2006 runs out at the end of this season so Falkirk might not reject ?350k quite so readily this month as they did in the summer. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11781_2727844,00.html?20070914110827 It looks like he signed another extension in 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 This thread reminds me of previous fantasies about Robson & Naismith etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.