dodemac Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 HAVE WE SIGNED HIM OR IS IT STILL STILL JUST A RUMOR ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 RUMOUR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostHunter Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I doubt very much there was ever any truth in the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paolo Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 HAVE WE SIGNED HIM OR IS IT STILL STILL JUST A RUMOR ?? Stop shouting and we are not in America, and it is Velicka. Anyway, we have not signed him - personally I do not think we will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Norwich also showing interest according to some reports http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/sport/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=Sport&tBrand=EDPOnline&tCategory=Sport&itemid=NOED05%20Jan%202009%2009%3A00%3A03%3A327 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_jambo Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 HAVE WE SIGNED HIM OR IS IT STILL STILL JUST A RUMOR ?? WOT DA **!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Saviour of HMFC Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 WHO NOZE M8. MIBBE STILL JSUT A RUMOR LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfurdaley Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 WHO NOZE M8. MIBBE STILL JSUT A RUMOR LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I doubt very much there was ever any truth in the story. Errr Csaba hinted at interest in a press conference, that would seem a strong enough evidence that there was genuine interest? For what it's worth, I think it would be a major backwards step and would rather see a younger player brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jam Tarts 1874 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Errr Csaba hinted at interest in a press conference, that would seem a strong enough evidence that there was genuine interest? For what it's worth, I think it would be a major backwards step and would rather see a younger player brought in. When? I think you must have dreamt that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 The later it gets into the transfer window the more clubs with any interest in taking him on loan might be able to barter with Rangers regards what percentage of wages are paid by each club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 When? I think you must have dreamt that one. Not according to reports last week that Csaba hinted he was strongly interested in striker 'V' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 When? I think you must have dreamt that one. He was asked about him and admitted it was "an interesting name". He never denied or confirmed if he is a target. Would quite like us to take him for the rest of the season, with a view to tying up other targets on pre contracts so they are in for the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 When? I think you must have dreamt that one. Manager Csaba Laszlo, though, hinted that Velicka is one of a number of signing targets as he seeks a potent striker for the second half of the season. "This is an interesting name, a very interesting name," said Laszlo. "I also have other names in my head. I have 12 or 13 strikers (in mind] and I hope we can get one or two." http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/Rangers-keen-to-let-Velicka.4834044.jp Owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 When? I think you must have dreamt that one. I must have too then. This is an interesting name," Laszlo said, laughing, when asked if he had an interest in taking Velicka back to Tynecastle. "A very interesting name. "But also I have other names in my head. I have (an interest in] 12 or 13 strikers and I hope we can get one or two." Speaking at a press conference at the ground yesterday, Laszlo added that the list might well include a player whose surname began "with this initial", as he drew the letter V on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Dover Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 In todays herald he's quoted as saying "We must be more focused on the target. If you don't have the killer instinct then you don't win games," reflected Laszlo. "In the second half we played well and if we had scored we would have won the game. When the transfer window opens I hope to be active. I am looking for a goal-scorer." The probable return of Andrius Velicka this month should offer Hearts a greater cutting edge. The journo has added the last bit............... but PROBABLE as opposed to POSSIBLE ?????..............hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haj Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Errr Csaba hinted at interest in a press conference, that would seem a strong enough evidence that there was genuine interest? For what it's worth, I think it would be a major backwards step and would rather see a younger player brought in. A 29 year old who has proven he can score goals being a backwards step from a goal a century striker such as the one we have at the moment. How you work that one out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 A 29 year old who has proven he can score goals being a backwards step from a goal a century striker such as the one we have at the moment. How you work that one out? It smacks of short termism. Bringing in 29 year olds on big wages, with little saleable potential is the kind of strategy that made a major contribution to the financial mess the club currently finds itself in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 It smacks of short termism. Bringing in 29 year olds on big wages, with little saleable potential is the kind of strategy that made a major contribution to the financial mess the club currently finds itself in. A loan deal to tide us over till the summer? Would hope we could use this month to tie up players on pre contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 A loan deal to tide us over till the summer? Would hope we could use this month to tie up players on pre contracts. Wouldn't be against it provided the Huns were still saddled with 90% of his no doubt bloated weekly wage packet. That said, I wasn't as as big a fan of Velicka as some first time round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodemac Posted January 5, 2009 Author Share Posted January 5, 2009 Stop shouting and we are not in America, and it is Velicka. Anyway, we have not signed him - personally I do not think we will. It was my son that posted it not me and as it says on the tin LOCHEE DUNDEE, in Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 A loan deal to tide us over till the summer? Would hope we could use this month to tie up players on pre contracts. Dont even see a loan deal happening. Whats in it for Rangers and whats in it for Velicka ? They still have to get his wage covered and we're not going to do that and they'll aslo want decent money back for him, and I hope to hell we're not going to do that either. IF Rangers let him walk and write off the ?1 mill and IF Velicka is prepared to accept not only a big wage loss but also a short term deal then MAYBE. If I was Velicka I'd sure as hell be staying right where I was at this stage of my career and simply letting the highly lucrative, and last big contract, run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 The obvious benefit to Rangers loaning out Velicka is that 1) someone covers all or part of his wages for 6 months 2) if he scores a number of goals then a striker that's playing & scoring is much more sellable than a striker that's frozen out ..... the benefit to Hearts or any other club interested in taking Velicka on loan would be any goals that he scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Don't see how he would fit into the team. Laszlo has shown that no matter which players are available he plays 4-4-1-1. Only position Velicka would be capable of is the front striker, replacing Nade. Velicka's return might mean slightly more goals than with Nade as the front striker. But his lack of ability in holding the ball would mean fewer goals for the midfield - and more conceded by the team as per last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie-Brown Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Don't see how he would fit into the team. Laszlo has shown that no matter which players are available he plays 4-4-1-1. Only position Velicka would be capable of is the front striker, replacing Nade. Velicka's return might mean slightly more goals than with Nade as the front striker. But his lack of ability in holding the ball would mean fewer goals for the midfield - and more conceded by the team as per last year. In Frails most successful spell last season many of the games were won without conceding and with Velicka as main striker and frequently scoring - why not simply admit you don't fancy Velicka much as a player without constantly trying to rationalise it by inventing bogus arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 In Frails most successful spell last season many of the games were won without conceding and with Velicka as main striker and frequently scoring - why not simply admit you don't fancy Velicka much as a player without constantly trying to rationalise it by inventing bogus arguments. What about the run under Korobocha/Chernenkov? Velicka has been found out at Rangers, and so have the posters who thought he would score a barrowload there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 What about the run under Korobocha/Chernenkov? Velicka has been found out at Rangers, and so have the posters who thought he would score a barrowload there. Coco - Velicka only played 10 of those 23 matches under the gruesome twosome and we scored more than we conceded when he did. Also, surely you have to play to be found out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamboRobbo Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 In Frails most successful spell last season many of the games were won without conceding and with Velicka as main striker and frequently scoring You want to go back to where we were last year? Why? If Csaba wants to take Velicka and a deal is done, and Csaba wants him in his team, I'll be right behind him. But I don't think the way we played or the team we had last year is anything special for us to be aiming towards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishall Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 For what it's worth, I think it would be a major backwards step and would rather see a younger player brought in. I wouldn't call re-signing our last striker to actually score on a reasonably regular basis a step-backwards given what we've currently got. Take him back in a second if he still had the form he had when he left us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 You want to go back to where we were last year? Why? If Csaba wants to take Velicka and a deal is done, and Csaba wants him in his team, I'll be right behind him. But I don't think the way we played or the team we had last year is anything special for us to be aiming towards. Can't be hard to find a better striker around than Velicka. Someone who can both hold the ball up and score goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Can't be hard to find a better striker around than Velicka. Someone who can both hold the ball up and score goals. I kinda agree with you Coco. I'm not his biggest fan. He's a good goalgetter, but in a funny kind of way, moreso in a poor team. He gets the ball, tries to turn, runs in a straight line and hits it early. It works for him every couple of games, but he tries this EVERY time he gets the ball. Csaba wants to build a team which retains posession and i dont believe Velicka is condusive to this. Nade is a better 'footballer', if not so prolific. I think we need someone to link with Nade, not replace him. I wont shed a tear if it's Velicka we take on loan, and he'll prob do a job for us. I just think we could do better, cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTBCAL Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Regardless whether we sign Velicka or not - this place will be in meltdown next week if we are knocked out of the cup after another toothless attacking performance witnessed like last Sat. I am prepared to be shot down for this but Hibs could create a 1/3 of the chances that we will create and probably take one before we do. We have no-one on the field that looks remotely like a goal-getter. Even with Riordan and Flectcher having quite games on Sat - you would fancy either of them to take the chances we created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Regardless whether we sign Velicka or not - this place will be in meltdown next week if we are knocked out of the cup after another toothless attacking performance witnessed like last Sat. I am prepared to be shot down for this but Hibs could create a 1/3 of the chances that we will create and probably take one before we do. We have no-one on the field that looks remotely like a goal-getter. Even with Riordan and Flectcher having quite games on Sat - you would fancy either of them to take the chances we created. I think that the last 2 games have shown that Michael Stewart can not play behind the striker. Aguiar missing has been crucial in those last 2 games. If Aguiar is out, then Gary Glen surely has to start in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Coco - Velicka only played 10 of those 23 matches under the gruesome twosome and we scored more than we conceded when he did. Also, surely you have to play to be found out? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Regardless whether we sign Velicka or not - this place will be in meltdown next week if we are knocked out of the cup after another toothless attacking performance witnessed like last Sat. I am prepared to be shot down for this but Hibs could create a 1/3 of the chances that we will create and probably take one before we do. We have no-one on the field that looks remotely like a goal-getter. Even with Riordan and Flectcher having quite games on Sat - you would fancy either of them to take the chances we created. No shooting down here cos i think in general, you are right. But i do disagree with regard to Saturday. They would have done better with Nade's volley which even though he should have done better, was still a very difficult chance and only a very top striker would have scored. I dont think they would have scored that. They may have done better with the one Driver put over the bar too and Glen scuffed one, but on the turn. Other than that, I think we were actually more unlucky than bad with the other chances. Nade's two off the woodwork, he done well with I thought and had he knocked a few in this year, we'd only be saying he was unlucky. Glen's long-ranger was brilliance and i dont see any of the hobos doing better. As I say, in general i agree, but i dont with Saturday's game specifically. Our shooting from distance was awful mind you. Pala and Mikey failed to get a grip of a couple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 . Didn't see that one, will now respond. I thought that over the piece when Velicka played that he scored goals by blootering it at the goal. That was what he was good at. He didn't contribute to the team's game otherwise because he couldn't pass the ball or hold the ball up. We have seen the benefits of him out of the Hearts side since he left (and since the defence was shored up by the reappearance of Neilson) - with the likes of Nade/Aguiar holding the ball up. Helps the defence and helps the midfield. I think he has been found out as a bad signing for Rangers. Smith/McCoist were crazy to sign him and didn't pay enough attention to the faults in his game. He's not as good as Boyd at the Boyd game and not mobile/good enough to replace any of their other strikers. I think he'll hang on to the wages coming in at Rangers as he won't match it at any other club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Macaroons Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Regardless whether we sign Velicka or not - this place will be in meltdown next week if we are knocked out of the cup after another toothless attacking performance witnessed like last Sat. I am prepared to be shot down for this but Hibs could create a 1/3 of the chances that we will create and probably take one before we do. We have no-one on the field that looks remotely like a goal-getter. Even with Riordan and Flectcher having quite games on Sat - you would fancy either of them to take the chances we created. agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Macaroons Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 No shooting down here cos i think in general, you are right. But i do disagree with regard to Saturday. They would have done better with Nade's volley which even though he should have done better, was still a very difficult chance and only a very top striker would have scored. I dont think they would have scored that.They may have done better with the one Driver put over the bar too and Glen scuffed one, but on the turn. Other than that, I think we were actually more unlucky than bad with the other chances. Nade's two off the woodwork, he done well with I thought and had he knocked a few in this year, we'd only be saying he was unlucky. Glen's long-ranger was brilliance and i dont see any of the hobos doing better. As I say, in general i agree, but i dont with Saturday's game specifically. Our shooting from distance was awful mind you. Pala and Mikey failed to get a grip of a couple A striker of any note would have been expecting that ball to have a chance of reaching him.....and would have taken a touch to eliminate bewildered defender and slotted in net. easy:) A Velicika ka ka return would be a great move as well (as Clum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 A striker of any note would have been expecting that ball to have a chance of reaching him.....and would have taken a touch to eliminate bewildered defender and slotted in net. easy:) A Velicika ka ka return would be a great move as well (as Clum) It would have been some goal to score from there. For me, Driver's was almost the best chance we had as he had time to compose himself, was on his left and wasnt really closed down. Anyway, all done now! I'm honestly not too interested in Velicka coming back to Hearts. If so, i would only want him till end of season. I see we've made a move for Porter, who i think is more the type i'd like to see. Velicka is very 1 dimensional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Macaroons Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 It would have been some goal to score from there. For me, Driver's was almost the best chance we had as he had time to compose himself, was on his left and wasnt really closed down. Anyway, all done now! I'm honestly not too interested in Velicka coming back to Hearts. If so, i would only want him till end of season. I see we've made a move for Porter, who i think is more the type i'd like to see. Velicka is very 1 dimensional I dont want labour the point but if only he could have controlled it (thus stepping back inside defender) he would have had only goalie to beat...instead of some giant kids finger pressing him on the head (a la striker game)....alas no...but like you say..its gone now. Velicka was good for us before so dont see why he couldnt be again......if we did stop playing Nade and lose this hopeless....'he can hold it up' attitude we have....then maybe we might be able to evolve into a better formation, and start playing like Hearts again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I dont want labour the point but if only he could have controlled it (thus stepping back inside defender) he would have had only goalie to beat...instead of some giant kids finger pressing him on the head (a la striker game)....alas no...but like you say..its gone now. Velicka was good for us before so dont see why he couldnt be again......if we did stop playing Nade and lose this hopeless....'he can hold it up' attitude we have....then maybe we might be able to evolve into a better formation, and start playing like Hearts again. Iwantthelastwordery here. To take the touch there only the top top players do it. I thought that myself when i watched it on sky plus at night, but then thought, well if we sign Ronaldo, then maybe... I quite often think players are better to take a touch or fake a cross to let the defenders slide by but how often do they do it?? Laudrup was superb at this as was Di Canio, but they were exceptional. Nade does more than hold it up, infact i dont think thats his natuaral game. Hes better when he gets turned and runs at people but he cant do that just now as we have no support for him. Fact is, Nade CAN hold it up though and he passes the ball reasonably well for a CF too. He hits the ball well from distance too which we've seen a couple of times this season. ANyway im not really wanting to defend Nade, its more Velicka i have a problem with. As i have said earlier, Velicka does a job, but I think he wouldnt fit in basically cos he doesnt link play at all. He gets the ball, runs towards goal and kicks it hard. Fair play, but that doesnt cut it when you try to dominate games or indeed when you try to defend from the front. It would appear we disagree!! SOrry for long reply!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Macaroons Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Iwantthelastwordery here. To take the touch there only the top top players do it. I thought that myself when i watched it on sky plus at night, but then thought, well if we sign Ronaldo, then maybe... I quite often think players are better to take a touch or fake a cross to let the defenders slide by but how often do they do it?? Laudrup was superb at this as was Di Canio, but they were exceptional. Nade does more than hold it up, infact i dont think thats his natuaral game. Hes better when he gets turned and runs at people but he cant do that just now as we have no support for him. Fact is, Nade CAN hold it up though and he passes the ball reasonably well for a CF too. He hits the ball well from distance too which we've seen a couple of times this season. ANyway im not really wanting to defend Nade, its more Velicka i have a problem with. As i have said earlier, Velicka does a job, but I think he wouldnt fit in basically cos he doesnt link play at all. He gets the ball, runs towards goal and kicks it hard. Fair play, but that doesnt cut it when you try to dominate games or indeed when you try to defend from the front. It would appear we disagree!! SOrry for long reply!!!!!!!! Last word request.....DENIED! I dont agree that such a move required much skill at all, just common sense and a little bit of composure, oh and a little bit of instinct,wtf, may as well add in ability as well....and isnt Nade supposed to BE a top striker??? (top wages at top SPL club) I've seen the same move done countless times on amatuer pitches!! anyway....its all about opinions and how you see it, I'll keep you right though Im Pro Velicka purley down to our 'non event' of other options (ex clum coming back) and I think he may be attainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Last word request.....DENIED! I dont agree that such a move required much skill at all, just common sense and a little bit of composure, oh and a little bit of instinct,wtf, may as well add in ability as well....and isnt Nade supposed to BE a top striker??? (top wages at top SPL club) I've seen the same move done countless times on amatuer pitches!! anyway....its all about opinions and how you see it, I'll keep you right though Im Pro Velicka purley down to our 'non event' of other options (ex clum coming back) and I think he may be attainable. last word.... blancmange (always liked that word) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worz76 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 got no1 els 2 get us goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex plode Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Chick 'the voice of a football' has just been on Radio Scotland saying Boyd is off to Birmingham for ?3-4m. If so, I can't see Velicka going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Regardless whether we sign Velicka or not - this place will be in meltdown next week if we are knocked out of the cup after another toothless attacking performance witnessed like last Sat. I am prepared to be shot down for this but Hibs could create a 1/3 of the chances that we will create and probably take one before we do. We have no-one on the field that looks remotely like a goal-getter. Even with Riordan and Flectcher having quite games on Sat - you would fancy either of them to take the chances we created. Spot on mate. im dreading this place next week IMO i would be far less scathing if we support Nade with both Glen and Elliot (give them 45 mins each) If we play with Nade up top and (if BA doesnt make it)Stewart in the 'hole' then im afraid i may need to reconsider Shabbas status in my mind from one of shrewd to ordinary and capable. The excuse has been no other options all season and ive been prepared to accept that for the 4-5-1. Im afraid after Elliots return and Glens performance on Saturday i can no longer accept that All that said however if BA is fit then 4-5-1 is still acceptable to me as a start formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 The obvious benefit to Rangers loaning out Velicka is that 1) someone covers all or part of his wages for 6 months 2) if he scores a number of goals then a striker that's playing & scoring is much more sellable than a striker that's frozen out ..... the benefit to Hearts or any other club interested in taking Velicka on loan would be any goals that he scored. 3) He won't be allowed to play against Rangers but he might score winners / equalisers for us against Celtic. Which would obviously benefit us and Rangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedy_Jambo Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Would velicka coming back not make romanov look like a complete plumb for getting rid of him in the first place? I can't see it happening. Mind you, he did offer burley the chance to come back i suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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