Therapist Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I think that'll be him behind bars for the rest of his natural. Interesting article on BBC about what they perceived as his motivation. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7729744.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sexington Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I love his "performance art" excuse. I've never heard anyone use that one before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Kidd Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Genius. Pity he never got McGuiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 I love his "performance art" excuse. Artists are very creative individuals though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I love how certain people are trying to insinuate feelings re this story but dont have the guts to just come out and say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 I love how certain people are trying to insinuate feelings re this story but dont have the guts to just come out and say it. That's disgraceful if true. Name and shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chat Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I love how certain people are trying to insinuate feelings re this story but dont have the guts to just come out and say it. mod delete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboSean Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I think that'll be him behind bars for the rest of his natural. Interesting article on BBC about what they perceived as his motivation. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7729744.stm Have you not picked up a t-shirt with his face on it down the Shankill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 No Sean, I went for a commemorative mug instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboSean Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 No Sean, I went for a commemorative mug instead. Good choice, I couldn't pick between the 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 the guys is a psycho, a complete looney and quite rightly deserves to be in jail. Though its funny seeing him getting held by two security guards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbie_Burns Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 the guys is a psycho, a complete looney and quite rightly deserves to be in jail. Though its funny seeing him getting held by two security guards. Especially the female, running around with his gun in a 'keystone cops' fashion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I think that'll be him behind bars for the rest of his natural. Interesting article on BBC about what they perceived as his motivation. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7729744.stm The bag contained explosive fireworks, flammable liquids, a butane gas canister and fuses. It failed to explode. He was found to have seven nail bombs which the court heard were capable of causing death or serious injury to anyone in their proximity. Stone also had three knives, a hatchet and a garrotte. I think it is safe to assume he didn't just pop in for somebody's autograph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towzer Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 The bag contained explosive fireworks, flammable liquids, a butane gas canister and fuses. It failed to explode. He was found to have seven nail bombs which the court heard were capable of causing death or serious injury to anyone in their proximity. Stone also had three knives, a hatchet and a garrotte. I think it is safe to assume he didn't just pop in for somebody's autograph. I dunno pal,i tried to get Graham Rixs with a similar arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I think he is just plain mad and will end up in a looney bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I read his book years ago. He basically despised a lot of both the republican and loyalist paramilitaries for being gangsters without ideals. Still a nutjob though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I read his book years ago. He basically despised a lot of both the republican and loyalist paramilitaries for being gangsters without ideals. Still a nutjob though. I read his book as well Legend. I just think he is a psychopathic Walter Mitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 I just think he is a psychopathic Walter Mitty. Was he married to a Bollywood star? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I read his book years ago. He basically despised a lot of both the republican and loyalist paramilitaries for being gangsters without ideals. Still a nutjob though. So he's a gangster with ideals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I read his book as well Legend. I just think he is a psychopathic Walter Mitty. Aye, you could be right. I can still remember his one-man Milltown operation open jawed. I can also remember what happened at the subsequent funeral of the republican terrorist he killed that day. Grim stuff watching the footage from the helicopter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 So he's a gangster with ideals? His claim was that half the power brokers on both sides believed in their respective causes. This did include using organised crime to fund their paramilitary operations but the money went to the respective causes. The other half simply used the troubles as an excuse to make money for themselves. They were simply gangsters for whom the troubles were a convenient cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 His claim was that half the power brokers on both sides believed in their respective causes. This did include using organised crime to fund their paramilitary operations but the money went to the respective causes. The other half simply used the troubles as an excuse to make money for themselves. They were simply gangsters for whom the troubles were a convenient cover. I doubt he was far wrong - but he certainly sounds a good few french fries short of a value meal, to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Aye, you could be right. I can still remember his one-man Milltown operation open jawed. I can also remember what happened at the subsequent funeral of the republican terrorist he killed that day. Grim stuff watching the footage from the helicopter. I remember his operation as well. Was the subsequent funeral the day two plain clothed army guys drove down the wrong street and got trapped and murdered by the Provos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I remember his operation as well. Was the subsequent funeral the day two plain clothed army guys drove down the wrong street and got trapped and murdered by the Provos? Yes, their car was blocked in by black cabs, they were dragged from their car into a taxi, driven away to be beaten and tortured. Then dumped on wasteground and murdered in cold blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Kidd Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Did he not order Mad Dog Adair out of Ulster and call him a fat poof ? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Stone was an idealist like Gusty Spence before him - he had little time for the people like Adair who were gangsters first loyalists second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CostaJambo Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I remember his operation as well. Was the subsequent funeral the day two plain clothed army guys drove down the wrong street and got trapped and murdered by the Provos? The story I was told from my bro who lives in Belfast was that one of them was a newbie and the other had thought it would be a great idea to show off by antagonising the funeral procession and they had actually been following it for some time at close quarters before they got jumped. (Not that this excuses what happened, just thought I'd mention what I heard at the time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Stone was an idealist like Gusty Spence before him - he had little time for the people like Adair who were gangsters first loyalists second. No he wasent. He is just plain mental. I read his book and decided he was full of his own self importance and a lunatic maverick. He carried out the Milltown attack off his own back. Nobody else would support him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 The story I was told from my bro who lives in Belfast was that one of them was a newbie and the other had thought it would be a great idea to show off by antagonising the funeral procession and they had actually been following it for some time at close quarters before they got jumped. (Not that this excuses what happened, just thought I'd mention what I heard at the time). They were rumoured to be a covert 14th Det team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigSN1 Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Mod Edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 What is the difference between a paramilitary and a terrorist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarhead Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 What is the difference between a paramilitary and a terrorist? One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, or so they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Scary stuff! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMFn-cWjtY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber Harris Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 although not connected, my wife bought me a duffle coat last week - nice 'n' cosy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted November 15, 2008 Author Share Posted November 15, 2008 although not connected, my wife bought me a duffle coat last week - nice 'n' cosy How long is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber Harris Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 How long is it? down to my knees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 No he wasent. He is just plain mental. I read his book and decided he was full of his own self importance and a lunatic maverick. He carried out the Milltown attack off his own back. Nobody else would support him. Often what an "idealist is"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Prison's too good for that b@stard. Hope he rots in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber Harris Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Prison's too good for that b@stard. Hope he rots in hell. tut tut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted November 15, 2008 Author Share Posted November 15, 2008 down to my knees Excellent. You'll be toastie whatever the weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, or so they say. So deluded terrorist apologists say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovecraft Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 He should never have been allowed out of jail. Something like that was always going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyjambo Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Genius. Pity he never got McGuiness. And set the peace process back 20 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartgarfunkel Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 He deserves a life sentence for looking like an in-bred weirdo. Mullet, Sutcliffe beard and a rat's tail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Kidd Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 And set the peace process back 20 years? The peace that McGuinness and his murderers broke in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyjambo Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 The peace that McGuinness and his murderers broke in the first place? Of course there was no wrongs on the other side. The way the British government treated the Irish was disgraceful, no wonder they said enough is enough and started the Civil Right's movement in the 1960's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Kidd Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Can't remember the British blowing up innocent civillians.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Can't remember the British blowing up innocent civillians.... Whereas the Black and Tans' behaviour was just exemplary, wasn't it? The troubles started in part because Catholics were sick of being treated like second class citizens. I deplore what McGuinness and his ilk did, but it was a political problem, as was ultimately recognised and partly resolved. If Adams and McGuinness had been assassinated, it'd have been an absolute disaster for the people of Northern Ireland: simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Kidd Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 I disagree. It would have been delightful to see McGuiness and Adams slaughtered like the terrorists they are. Oh and Lawson, you tell my mate's mother who was killed by the IRA that it was political. MOD EDIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted November 15, 2008 Share Posted November 15, 2008 Whereas the Black and Tans' behaviour was just exemplary, wasn't it? The troubles started in part because Catholics were sick of being treated like second class citizens. I deplore what McGuinness and his ilk did, but it was a political problem, as was ultimately recognised and partly resolved. If Adams and McGuinness had been assassinated, it'd have been an absolute disaster for the people of Northern Ireland: simple as that. In part? What was the other part? For much of the Provisional IRA's time Catholics were not treated as second class citizens. Even before that a number of their complaints related to issues which affected working class Protestants in exactly the same way. If you look at Sinn Fein's manifesto, the political problem was the lack of a Marxist state in all Ireland. That isn't a great deal closer. And they always had the option of cultivating success at the ballot box, which they managed in part through intimidation and fraud. Terrorism is never the answer to a political problem, certainly not in a democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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