Dr. Bapswent Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Never going to happen as long as the numbers are less than a thousand (or about that). For the police to close the roads, we need a heck of a lot more people to come along. Is that, or should that be an aim for your group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 They're on the album - the shorter version was produced for the single This is my story This is my song It's a long way from Gorgie To the fields o' the Somme Where they played tunes of glory As we marched along The pals o' the Sporting Battalion From the Heart of Midlothian To the Waverly train The crowds they were singing An auld Scots refrain Our sweethearts and darlings Our bonnie wee bairns Were waving their flags And calling our names Sing Hearts of Glory Dawn and sunset Hearts of glory Lest we forget Young Scottish soldiers And soldiers unknown Who gave hearts of glory In the trenches of Picardy The whistles are blown And it's over the top lads Through the wire and the bombs To pain and destruction Let the piper play To lead us to hell To death and dismay There was never a moment I was not afraid But there by my side Were the gallant McCrae's Until they fell in the slaughter When the bayonets were out And the few of us left Held the auld Scots Redoubt Ellis and Currie Briggs, Boyd, Hazeldean Wattie and Nisbet He was only sixteen Their names I'll remember At the end of each day They fought and died Wi' Geordie McCrae Who cared for the Kaiser Or Imperial gains Love of our country Duty or fame? Between the whim of an airman And four feathers of shame We fought for the pals Of a wee fitba team And when it was over Just what had we done? There were no flags of glory For McCrae and his own There were no graves for heroes For our brothers and sons Who sleep 'neath the flowers In the fields of the Somme Some came back as cripples Some couldnae kick a ball Some wounded and broken Most came not at all But they remain in my memory Forever young The pals o' the Sporting Battalion Sing Hearts of Glory Dawn and sunset Hearts of glory Lest we forget Young Scottish soldiers And soldiers unknown Who gave hearts of glory How do you get a hold of the album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshallschunkychicken Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 How do you get a hold of the album They sell it in the club shop at Tynecastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 They sell it in the club shop at Tynecastle. Is that not the single??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Haggis Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Good turnout, def more than last year. Very fitting service, Hearts of Glory rendition was superb, If the traffic cannot be halted for the whole service then perhaps a comprimise is in order to extend the period of closure? Job well done from Berra on the reading too. **Ah** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Dover Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Good turnout, def more than last year. Very fitting service, Hearts of Glory rendition was superb, If the traffic cannot be halted for the whole service then perhaps a comprimise is in order to extend the period of closure? Job well done from Berra on the reading too. **Ah** If I'm not mistaken we got a good 15 minutes last year ? That at least allowed the last post, the flowers of the forrest ( ?) and the readings - all to be done while receiving 'the best of order' I think we got till about 11:05 this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickmaroon Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 If I'm not mistaken we got a good 15 minutes last year ?That at least allowed the last post, the flowers of the forrest ( ?) and the readings - all to be done while receiving 'the best of order' I think we got till about 11:05 this year Yep, there was only 5-6 minutes this year. They could easily have given us 10-15 minutes. Still, brilliant turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dipped Flake Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Biggest turnout since I have been going. Great to see the whole Hearts squad, including the youngsters turning up. Also great to see Frail there, although I thought it was a bit sad to see him standing away in the background for this, but I suppose that was his personal decision. Agree with most regarding the traffic, until we get thousand(s) turning up we can't really expect them to halt the flow for more than a few minutes but would have been good for the polis to ask people to turn off their engines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest casper Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I?ve been going regularly for about of 1/4 of a century and it was the most Hearts orientated service I have heard in all that time with the words by Jack Alexander and Berra and the Hearts of Glory song lifting it above the usual bog standard remembrance service. With only one loud speaker it?s just luck if you are in a good position to hear. Another speaker or 2 would ensure everybody could hear even above the traffic noise. I don?t think it would be possible or right to stop the traffic for the entire service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Is that, or should that be an aim for your group? First things first, get the memorial back to where it should be and as quickly as possible. However, as to the future of the service, I would suspect that the police would only keep the traffic away for the duration of the service if the crowds demanded it, ie so many people that they had to stand on the road. If that is the case then yes, I think it is fair to say that the group would aim to increase attendance of the service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodmorningmrfisherman Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 First things first, get the memorial back to where it should be and as quickly as possible. However, as to the future of the service, I would suspect that the police would only keep the traffic away for the duration of the service if the crowds demanded it, ie so many people that they had to stand on the road. If that is the case then yes, I think it is fair to say that the group would aim to increase attendance of the service. It will never happen mate.First thing the council will say "we gave you the chance to move it"if it ever comes back to its prominent location now(i doubt it will). Also suggest trying to enlist Brian Fallon and Eric Mulligan for advice wheather people on board like them or not the years of experience those guys have got would be invalubale to the future for forthcoming services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 yeah we said that at the time too. he spoke to redm a bit, but i managed to zone him out. he said to her that he didn't know what it was for, but his mates had told him there was a memorial service at haymarket today, so he thought he'd come along. i think he was slightly touched at least he was there, just wish he'd stood somewhere else. The more I think about it, I'm convinced that he was with a carer. Remember the guy who stood away and left him to do his own thing but was with him later in the Mercat? Anyway, he certainly added something to the service....and he took a right fancy to you, Bev. He was taking you for champagne and I wasn't invited. Lucky girl. As for the service, I thought it was lovely. Although there was slightly more Hearts content, it probably wouldn't have upset the remembrance purists as it was all so carefully done, and seemed very appropriate to me. Great turnout too, so a huge well done to everyone who made it. It makes you very proud to be a Jambo. Btw, if anyone has any pics from the service please let me know as I'd like to get them all together in time for the next meeting of the Friends of the Heart of Midlothian War Memorial. Just send me a PM or something and I can reply with my email address...would be most grateful, thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I certainly wouldn't want to make political capital out of this, and I'm not trying to stir up trouble over what is IMHO an excellently organised event, but if anyone has a suggestion or comments for TIE/ Chief Constable/ Council/ HMFC over how the service is managed then the Fans Forum would be happy to pass that on to the appropriate people. Email me at [email protected] or come along to the AGM on the 17th . Up until now the service has been run by Jack Alexander and the Trust in liaison with the club but the Friends of the Heart of Midlothian War Memorial group has been set up and the organisation of the service is one of the things this group will be handling. The plan is that the 'Friends' will be doing the service from next year and we have a forthcoming meeting with the club to work out the best way forward in that respect. Your AGM is before our meeting with the club so if you gather any comments, can you please let us know and we'll include them in our agenda for discussion? T'would be very helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniffer Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Up until now the service has been run by Jack Alexander and the Trust in liaison with the club but the Friends of the Heart of Midlothian War Memorial group has been set up and the organisation of the service is one of the things this group will be handling. The plan is that the 'Friends' will be doing the service from next year and we have a forthcoming meeting with the club to work out the best way forward in that respect. No, it wasn't! Jack and the Trust organise the Contalmaison service annually but not the Haymarket service, though they perhaps play a part. The service at Haymarket was organised for many years by the Federation but over the last few the club itself has once again taken the lead (which is good to see) and they have worked closely with volunteers from the Federation and other fans associations. With regard to the earlier post about Stevie Frail, it certainly was good to see him yesterday but as for the claims that he is a Hearts man through and through I beg to differ. Stevie himself told a large group of Hearts fans in the Gorgie Suite last year that he is and always will be a Celtic fan. This makes his appearance yesterday of his own volition even more significant. Sniffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redm Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 No, it wasn't! Jack and the Trust organise the Contalmaison service annually but not the Haymarket service, though they perhaps play a part. The service at Haymarket was organised for many years by the Federation but over the last few the club itself has once again taken the lead (which is good to see) and they have worked closely with volunteers from the Federation and other fans associations. With regard to the earlier post about Stevie Frail, it certainly was good to see him yesterday but as for the claims that he is a Hearts man through and through I beg to differ. Stevie himself told a large group of Hearts fans in the Gorgie Suite last year that he is and always will be a Celtic fan. This makes his appearance yesterday of his own volition even more significant. Sniffer The club hasn't taken the lead again entirely through choice. They want the fans to take the bulk of the responsibility for this service and to be honest, that's exactly as it should be. So anyway, that's coming up for discussion in the next few weeks. If groups want to be involved, they will be - but the commitment has to be made to ensure some form of continuity in years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod01 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 No, it wasn't! Jack and the Trust organise the Contalmaison service annually but not the Haymarket service, though they perhaps play a part. The service at Haymarket was organised for many years by the Federation but over the last few the club itself has once again taken the lead (which is good to see) and they have worked closely with volunteers from the Federation and other fans associations. With regard to the earlier post about Stevie Frail, it certainly was good to see him yesterday but as for the claims that he is a Hearts man through and through I beg to differ. Stevie himself told a large group of Hearts fans in the Gorgie Suite last year that he is and always will be a Celtic fan. This makes his appearance yesterday of his own volition even more significant. Sniffer His words mate...after walking through the door in 1994 that was him he said...said he wasn't a supporter before then but that day changed him. Rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Pivotonian Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Up until now the service has been run by Jack Alexander and the Trust in liaison with the club but the Friends of the Heart of Midlothian War Memorial group has been set up and the organisation of the service is one of the things this group will be handling. The plan is that the 'Friends' will be doing the service from next year and we have a forthcoming meeting with the club to work out the best way forward in that respect. Your AGM is before our meeting with the club so if you gather any comments, can you please let us know and we'll include them in our agenda for discussion? T'would be very helpful. That makes complete sense. Some comments have come in to me already. As you say, we may get more at the AGM. I'll happily pass them on to you afterwards. Thanks for that. Graham, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Alexander Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 No, it wasn't! Jack and the Trust organise the Contalmaison service annually but not the Haymarket service, though they perhaps play a part. The service at Haymarket was organised for many years by the Federation but over the last few the club itself has once again taken the lead (which is good to see) and they have worked closely with volunteers from the Federation and other fans associations. Sniffer For the last few years the McCrae's Battalion Trust has been helping the football club to organise the Haymarket ceremony. The Federation and 'other fans associations' have not been involved. Indeed that's the very reason that the MB Trust are doing it - pending the emergence of a credible and committed group of supporters who are prepared to devote their time (and even, perhaps, some of their own money) to running the event in the long term. It's taken a while but we now have the Friends of the Heart of Midlothian War Memorial - all Hearts supporters and (for the most part) young Hearts supporters. They are articulate, well organised and passionate about the Memorial's place in the club's history. On many occasions the opportunity to become involved in helping with the ceremony has been flagged up on JKB and other platforms. We weren't exactly knocked over by the rush of volunteers. So these guys deserve tremendous credit. Making sure that Haymarket runs properly every year is actually time-consuming and difficult. Issues of policing and traffic management are much more complex than most folk seem to appreciate. The lessons that the MB Trust has learned over the course of the past few events will stand the club and the Friends in good stead during the years to come. In the mean time my colleagues on the MB Trust deserve recognition for their part in the recent 'resurrection' of the ceremony. Particularly 'Sergeant Sandy' (who some of you on the board have come to know from Contalmaison). Sandy doesn't support Hearts (or any football team, for that matter) but he gives his considerable time because he's proud of the tradition of Remembrance. An enormous amount of work goes on in the background and we have seen no sign of any other supporters group during any stage of the annual process. When the Memorial returns to Haymarket we will organise a grand ceremony of 're-dedication' - run (as closely as possible) along the lines of the original unveiling. That was a 'national' event, by the way! This will be a real logistical challenge. But it will also be an opportunity for Hearts supporters, the City of Edinburgh and the nation to re-engage with the clocktower and to re-commit themselves to the memory that it represents. That will signal the end of the MB Trust's 'trusteeship' of Haymarket. It's been an honour to have been involved, but responsibility for the ceremony now devolves upon a group of young Hearts supporters, who will see the Memorial through its centenary and a long way into the future. They deserve support from the entire Hearts 'family'. If HMFC is indeed the 'Heart and Soul of Edinburgh', then the clocktower must surely be the 'Heart and Soul of Hearts.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Masterton Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 There were 12 Hearts fans who couldn't make the service at Haymarket. We travelled out to Contalmaison to lay wreaths at the cairn. Wreaths were laid on behalf of the club, friends of Haymarket clock and various Hearts supporters clubs. There was no service, just the laying of the wreaths. No sign of the Maire of Contalmaison, maybe there will be wreath laying today?? After securing the wreaths to the cairn 4 of the guys left and the rest of us walked to the Gordon Dump cemetary and then on to la Boisselle to the Lochnagar crater. Taxi back to Albert to the Highlander pub, and a few refreshment before heading back to Paris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltonjambo Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Dougie Thanks for transporting and laying the 'Friends' wreath ... it was and is very much appreciated ... I'm sure the various Hearts supporters clubs will echo these sentiments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownkg Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Thanks Dougie I will see you soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 a very fitting service and a good turn out. P.S. I'm in this photo posted earlier: http://www.pfsc08674.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/HOMST/images/Image224.jpg I spotted the John Hartson abuser in the front row and what looks like Stevie Frail hiding up the back. Looks like a really good turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin hood jambo Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 on a roll now,some of the team.http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10qf8jq&s=4 top photo of my baldy heid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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