Minimum unit pricing for alcohol

[Ron Burgundy]

24 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Pretty sure the young generation today are drinking less and less alcohol so they must be doing g something right.

They far prefer cocaine.

[FWJ]

4 hours ago, Craig_ said:

I'd be a lot more inclined to support this if the extra revenue was being funnelled into support for alcohol abuse, rather than just going into the supermarkets' coffers.

This.

I think it’s well-intentioned but whether it works or not still seems unclear.

[Shooter McGavin]

3 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

They far prefer cocaine.

Genuinely think there is something in that.

 

The amount of laddies in that 18-30 year old demographic who are openly snorting in toilets, not only at the football but on nights out too, is mental.

[escobri]

41 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

Genuinely think there is something in that.

 

The amount of laddies in that 18-30 year old demographic who are openly snorting in toilets, not only at the football but on nights out too, is mental.

Would they not drink more when out on a session on it? 

[hughesie27]

1 hour ago, Ron Burgundy said:

They far prefer cocaine.

Doesn't everyone?

[Taffin]

Do they have minimum unit pricing in countries with the longest life expectancies?

[magic roundabout]

I've recently started buying my beer via Amazon. I'm fairly sure it's doesn't have the minimum pricing. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

2 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

They far prefer cocaine.

Yep . An even worse drug than alcohol 

[Taffin]

12 minutes ago, Taffin said:

Do they have minimum unit pricing in countries with the longest life expectancies?

 

Started looking into my own question and found this interesting due to very expensive alcohol (although no MUP I don't think) and very cheap alcohol:

 

I wonder if France introduced MUP if they'd pull away from Norway or if Norway introduced France level prices they'd drop down the list?

[BlueRiver]

2 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Started looking into my own question and found this interesting due to very expensive alcohol (although no MUP I don't think) and very cheap alcohol:

 

I wonder if France introduced MUP if they'd pull away from Norway or if Norway introduced France level prices they'd drop down the list?

 

On the point of Norway, I'm sure that you can only buy drink (or perhaps it's wine and spirits) from state run shops. 

[Craig_]

26 minutes ago, BlueRiver said:

 

On the point of Norway, I'm sure that you can only buy drink (or perhaps it's wine and spirits) from state run shops. 

 

Yep, spirits can only be bought from the monopoly (state-run) shops in Norway, Sweden and Finland. Think it's more liberal in Denmark.

[XB52]

6 hours ago, Craig_ said:

I'd be a lot more inclined to support this if the extra revenue was being funnelled into support for alcohol abuse, rather than just going into the supermarkets' coffers.

That's my only issue with minimum pricing; it should have been a tax going towards the NHS

[Taffin]

41 minutes ago, BlueRiver said:

 

On the point of Norway, I'm sure that you can only buy drink (or perhaps it's wine and spirits) from state run shops. 

 

Interesting, I've never been sure how they managed it. Cheers.

 

Given the prevalence of daily drinking in blue zones (some where alcohol is comparatively cheap), along with the above about France and Norway I'm not convinced by minimum unit pricing personally.

 

I thought it was a good idea when introduced but my view has changed over the years. I've seen less anti-social behaviour by those who appear drunk in my 10 years in England (who don't have MUP) than I did in my time in Scotland, though I admit my demographic has changed since that time. Couple with the above, I'm inclined to say I'd vote against it if it were ever a single issue question.

 

Edited September 30, 2024 by Taffin

[Ray Gin]

3 hours ago, hughesie27 said:

Pretty sure the young generation today are drinking less and less alcohol so they must be doing g something right.

 

Correct

[Lord Montpelier]

37 minutes ago, XB52 said:

That's my only issue with minimum pricing; it should have been a tax going towards the NHS

I'd assumed it was. Or similar.

 

Joke of a policy if supermarkets are just raking in the margin. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

I'd assumed it was. Or similar.

 

Joke of a policy if supermarkets are just raking in the margin. 

Yes I can’t understand why the revenue can’t be ring fenced for educational and rehab purposes . 

[BlueRiver]

45 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Interesting, I've never been sure how they managed it. Cheers.

 

Given the prevalence of daily drinking in blue zones (some where alcohol is comparatively cheap), along with the above about France and Norway I'm not convinced by minimum unit pricing personally.

 

I thought it was a good idea when introduced but my view has changed over the years. I've seen less anti-social behaviour by those who appear drunk in my 10 years in England (who don't have MUP) than I did in my time in Scotland, though I admit my demographic has changed since that time. Couple with the above, I'm inclined to say I'd vote against it if it were ever a single issue question.

 

 

It's not something I'm hugely for or against really. 

 

I do think that on its own it seems like a very flimsy way of tackling the issue but I don't even know where to begin to deal with Scotland's issues with alcohol. 

[1971fozzy]

I occasionally work in Berwick so will just get my booze there.

we choose to drink in the house at weekends with friends more often than not  as paying £7 a pint in the pub isn’t always great. 
buying in Berwick also denies this regime in Scotland money so a win win. And I get my petrol paid so usually fill up in Morrisons or Tesco when I’m in Berwick.

 

Edited September 30, 2024 by 1971fozzy

[1971fozzy]

4 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

They far prefer cocaine.

yep. They just top the coke up with cheap bevvy

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said:

yep. They just top the coke up with cheap bevvy

Def they seem to prefer coke to drink . The rise in heart related deaths and issues in a few years time will be shocking . I know alcohol has a reputation as a drug where those who drink it can be violent , the coke is even worse . Was In a pub couple years back with a few “ lads “ ( mid to late 30s) all coked out their pus. Their behaviours getting more and more loud and aggressive and confrontational with each other . I left before they ended up paggering each other . Alcohol 🍷 + coke = chaos . 

[Japan Jambo]

5 hours ago, OBE said:

 

Glad you survived the 3 for 10...couldn't have been good, the dregs...

 

an upgrade from a penny wring?

[Boris]

Will be interesting to see if retailers put prices up on products that are already new mup complaint.

Outrageous if they do.

[Victorian]

16 minutes ago, Boris said:

Will be interesting to see if retailers put prices up on products that are already new mup complaint.

Outrageous if they do.

 

It's still a marketplace regulated by competition.  If one retailer does that then they are making the product in their shop less competitive in comparison to one who doesn't.  

 

For the major grocers,  something like competitive alcohol prices is great.  Increased footfall = increased sales of alcohol + increased sales of others products while people are there.  Maybe even some defections from other supermarkets for the weekly / fortnightly shops.

 

Bound to be a bit of jiggery-pokery by small retailers in the odd area of limited competition.

Edited September 30, 2024 by Victorian

[kingantti1874]

Good old Scotland.  Scumbags who can’t control themselves ruining it for everyone. 
 

good old SNP with entirely the wrong policy.  

Edited September 30, 2024 by kingantti1874

[Radio Ga Ga]

Punish the majority who like the odd drink 

[132goals1958]

12 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Good old Scotland.  Scumbags who can’t control themselves ruining it for everyone. 
 

good old SNP with entirely the wrong policy.  

 
Pretty accurate summary. Ah well — just have to cut back on the messages, turn off the heating, put on a body warmer and pour myself a large.🥃

[kingantti1874]

Disgraceful really is. Look forward to this rancid government being put out to pasture very soon. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Wrong thread 

 

Edited September 30, 2024 by JudyJudyJudy

[darrenold]

A really good idea and glad to see the Scots showing the way forward.. England should take note.

[132goals1958]

3 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Disgraceful really is. Look forward to this rancid government being put out to pasture very soon. 

It really can’t come quick enough 

[JudyJudyJudy]

16 minutes ago, Radio Ga Ga said:

Punish the majority who like the odd drink 

Yep . Nanny state 

[Footballfirst]

While the critics can point to the negative impacts re taxation and apparent failure to reduce alcohol related deaths, I believe that the MUP legislation had wider aims.

 

It was never going to stop an alcoholic getting hold of alcohol as price isn't their primary driver. However, Scotland has had a poor relationship with alcohol throughout my lifetime. There is evidence that MUP has helped reduce consumption among youngsters which hopefully will deliver longer term benefits to society.  It has definitely reduced the incidence of teenagers with limited funds being able to get arsed on bottles of strong cider and the like.  

[ArcticJambo]

1 hour ago, 1971fozzy said:

I occasionally work in Berwick so will just get my booze there.

we choose to drink in the house at weekends with friends more often than not  as paying £7 a pint in the pub isn’t always great. 
buying in Berwick also denies this regime in Scotland money so a win win. And I get my petrol paid so usually fill up in Morrisons or Tesco when I’m in Berwick.

 

Maybe it's the bevvy I'm buying but it never seems that much cheaper in Morrisons.

[darrenold]

Scotland’s minimum pricing linked to 13% drop in alcohol-related deaths, study finds.

 

In response to the " nanny state" line that comes up anytime anybody tries to do anything about alcohol,, the fact above speaks for itself. 

 

Alcohol is still the number one harmful drug to society overall, that includes crack, heroin and cigarettes.   

Everyone just defends it cause it's legal.

 

[Byyy The Light]

24 minutes ago, Radio Ga Ga said:

Punish the majority who like the odd drink 

 

I don't really see what the issue is with this.  I certainly won't be driving to Berwick to save myself £3 on a 10 pack of Kronenbourg 

[kingantti1874]

5 minutes ago, darrenold said:

Scotland’s minimum pricing linked to 13% drop in alcohol-related deaths, study finds.

 

In response to the " nanny state" line that comes up anytime anybody tries to do anything about alcohol,, the fact above speaks for itself. 

 

Alcohol is still the number one harmful drug to society overall, that includes crack, heroin and cigarettes.   

Everyone just defends it cause it's legal.

 

Missing the point entirely. Why should the entire population of Scotland literally pay for the small number who exhibit no self control. 
 

This government like to make other peoples problems, Shared problems, instead of finding a way to instil a sense of personal accountability.

 

alcohol related deaths are not my ****ing problem.  Though I do feel like having a drink every time I have to pay my ridiculous taxes to pay for the alcoholics free accommodation etc.

Edited September 30, 2024 by kingantti1874

[tightrope]

7 minutes ago, darrenold said:

Scotland’s minimum pricing linked to 13% drop in alcohol-related deaths, study finds.

 

In response to the " nanny state" line that comes up anytime anybody tries to do anything about alcohol,, the fact above speaks for itself. 

 

Alcohol is still the number one harmful drug to society overall, that includes crack, heroin and cigarettes.   

Everyone just defends it cause it's legal.

 

It really hasn't. A projected decrease in the projected increase? Some projecting going on. They make it up to suit their agenda 

Edited September 30, 2024 by tightrope

[Radio Ga Ga]

6 minutes ago, darrenold said:

Scotland’s minimum pricing linked to 13% drop in alcohol-related deaths, study finds.

 

In response to the " nanny state" line that comes up anytime anybody tries to do anything about alcohol,, the fact above speaks for itself. 

 

Alcohol is still the number one harmful drug to society overall, that includes crack, heroin and cigarettes.   

Everyone just defends it cause it's legal.

 

No Minimum Pricing in England but we have a higher per capita problem, it clearly does not work and the extra money goes to the shareholders of Tesco, Morrisons, Sainsbury’s etc etc 

[Cruyff]

If the extra tax was going into the public purse then that would be understandable.......but the Scot Gov't lining the pockets of retailers is disgusting and it doesn't even work! Alkis are still going to get pished! But nae worries, let's hit everyone in the pocket. Clowns man! 🤡 

[OBE]

20 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said:

 

I don't really see what the issue is with this.  I certainly won't be driving to Berwick to save myself £3 on a 10 pack of Kronenbourg 

 

Bulk buy...over the border, makes sense...👍

Edited September 30, 2024 by OBE

[kingantti1874]

18 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

If the extra tax was going into the public purse then that would be understandable.......but the Scot Gov't lining the pockets of retailers is disgusting and it doesn't even work! Alkis are still going to get pished! But nae worries, let's hit everyone in the pocket. Clowns man! 🤡 

In a nutshell.  They will just spend a larger proportion of their government handouts.

[periodictabledancer]

27 minutes ago, darrenold said:

Scotland’s minimum pricing linked to 13% drop in alcohol-related deaths, study finds.

 

In response to the " nanny state" line that comes up anytime anybody tries to do anything about alcohol,, the fact above speaks for itself. 

 

Alcohol is still the number one harmful drug to society overall, that includes crack, heroin and cigarettes.   

Everyone just defends it cause it's legal.

 

Yeah,but the usual suspects don't care about that. It's all about moaning about the nanny state govt and their own declining living standards caused by the outrageous minimum pricing. 

 

[Victorian]

1 hour ago, 1971fozzy said:

I occasionally work in Berwick so will just get my booze there.

we choose to drink in the house at weekends with friends more often than not  as paying £7 a pint in the pub isn’t always great. 
buying in Berwick also denies this regime in Scotland money so a win win. And I get my petrol paid so usually fill up in Morrisons or Tesco when I’m in Berwick.

 

 

Let's have a deek under the bonnet of this pearler.

 

The "regime" doesn't get any money out of it.

 

The "regime",  like all other governments does not have any money of their own.  It's all public money.  The public's money to spend on services and benefits.  So when you're denying money,  you're denying it from the public expenditure.  From yourself even.

 

 

[Ray Gin]

51 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said:

Disgraceful really is. Look forward to this rancid government being put out to pasture very soon. 

 

Which party is going to reverse the policy?

[kingantti1874]

1 minute ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Which party is going to reverse the policy?

Where did I say it would be reversed.  I’m actually enjoying this cabal of morons continuing to shout themselves in the foot.  

[Morgan]

£1.09 added onto a four pack of 568ml cans of San Miguel (the  5%stuff, not the real Spanish 5.4% stuff mind).

 

That’s it for me now.

 

Green tea from now on in.

 

Feck that.

[Boab]

1 minute ago, Morgan said:

£1.09 added onto a four pack of 568ml cans of San Miguel (the  5%stuff, not the real Spanish 5.4% stuff mind).

 

That’s it for me now.

 

Green tea from now on in.

 

Feck that.

Calm doon !

Green tea ?  That’s panic buying, mate !

🫤

[kingantti1874]

I’m sure i read that when this was initially introduced that whilst overall alcohol sales fell, the sales of buckfast and tennents super went though the roof.

you genuinely can’t make up just how stupid this government actually are. 

[escobri]

19 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said:

Yeah,but the usual suspects don't care about that. It's all about moaning about the nanny state govt and their own declining living standards caused by the outrageous minimum pricing. 

 

The study mentioned as far as I can tell was conducted last year and estimated the results, this study was carried out by public health Scotland, wonder who they work for 🤔 the whole thing has been a farce from the start, stop it now, rip it up and put a levy on alcohol sales which go directly to good causes not some shop owners pocket.

[John Findlay]

1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

 

 

It was never going to stop an alcoholic getting hold of alcohol as price isn't their primary driver. However, Scotland has had a poor relationship with alcohol throughout my lifetime. There is evidence that MUP has helped reduce consumption among youngsters which hopefully will deliver longer term benefits to society.  It has definitely reduced the incidence of teenagers with limited funds being able to get arsed on bottles of strong cider and the like.  

They apparently now substitute alcohol intake for cocaine intake. So the problem just gets pushed from one place to the other.

 

It appears no one is benefitting, apart from sellers of alcohol and cocaine.