Jorge Grant ( merged )

[Paris 84]

7 hours ago, Chaps said:

We’ve benched two of the most creative players in the league last season almost every game yet we persist with a player that’s done the square root of **** all for 3 years.

 

Utter madness.

What he said. 

[Paris 84]

1 hour ago, Scott Leitch said:

You're talking shite. McKay and Dhanda were miles ahead of him. 

 

Anyway you're clearly associated in some way to him mate so we'll leave it there. 

You’re as good at spotting a player, as Scott Leitch was at trying to be a player. 

[jambo19]

I've seen more from Tait, Pollock and Denholm in maroon. These guys are hungry and want to develop

 

The likes of Grant are here for a wage. He needs dropped to the B team like Sibbick and Atkinson were. He's nowhere near good enough and won't take us forward 

[periodictabledancer]

1 hour ago, Bull's-eye said:

In a set up thats about attacking and given a freedom to express themselves i think the likes of Grant will shine.

 

As thats why he was signed in the 1st place, if we're going to keep this dogs of war approach in midfield of trying to battle through games, he's not your man, only Beni has the minerals for that type of scrap and because of it, will be injured again before long.

 

This posession based rubbish we play doesn't work, doesn't suit any of the players we have and im expecting it to be binned as soon as a new coach enters the building.

We didn't  play the usual possession based drivel yesterday and early in the game he was breaking forward onto the opposition half where he usually just stopped and played a short ball inside. He contributed nothing. I have no idea what his strengths are , he's not pacy, he's not a passer,   not a tackler. I don't know how he's made it to a third season at Hearts. A total impostor. 

[copa-mundial]

Grants stats have been okay at times. There's no denying that. 

 

However my gripe with him is. This is him now in his 3rd season with us. He's never really done anything of note to cement him being a stronghold in the team. 

I'd be interested to see how many starting appearances he's made in his time here. 

 

He was told last summer he was available to leave. At his age, he probably knew he wouldn't get a contract close to what he's on at Hearts. 

 

Like every player that signs. I want them to succeed. Some do some don't. Sadly for me Grant hasn't. 

[Luckies1874]

1 minute ago, copa-mundial said:

Grants stats have been okay at times. There's no denying that. 

 

 

Which stats are these? Success from the penalty spot?

[Malone]

1 hour ago, Drumjambo said:

 

4 attaching players?? starting at once ?? your going back to pre admin to watch that 

Not true. We started McKay, Dhanda, Shankland and Vargas vs Rangers.

[Malone]

1 hour ago, Scott Leitch said:

You're talking shite. McKay and Dhanda were miles ahead of him. 

 

Anyway you're clearly associated in some way to him mate so we'll leave it there. 

Given your unexplainable hatred of him across multiple threads, the only association I can see is one between Spittal and your wife.

[GinRummy]

4 minutes ago, copa-mundial said:

Grants stats have been okay at times. There's no denying that. 

 

However my gripe with him is. This is him now in his 3rd season with us. He's never really done anything of note to cement him being a stronghold in the team. 

I'd be interested to see how many starting appearances he's made in his time here. 

 

He was told last summer he was available to leave. At his age, he probably knew he wouldn't get a contract close to what he's on at Hearts. 

 

Like every player that signs. I want them to succeed. Some do some don't. Sadly for me Grant hasn't. 

The bar has been lowered for other players because Shankland was running riot. Shanks form bought Naismith time to find better players. 
 

This is the side that dumped Hibs out the cup in January 2023

Clark

Sibbick

Rowles

Hill

 

Smith 

Devlin

Snodgrass

Cochrane 

 

McKay 

Shankland

Gino

 

Kent was a big improvement but other than that, you’d be being kind if you said we’ve stood still.

[Bill Sikes]

38 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said:

We didn't  play the usual possession based drivel yesterday and early in the game he was breaking forward onto the opposition half where he usually just stopped and played a short ball inside. He contributed nothing. I have no idea what his strengths are , he's not pacy, he's not a passer,   not a tackler. I don't know how he's made it to a third season at Hearts. A total impostor. 

 

We had 70% possession yesterday so I'd suggest we did indeed play the usual possession based drivel.

 

That means all of our players have a huge amount of time on the ball, because of that and the lack of any team coherence all midfielders are going to lose the ball and can look pretty Shit on occasions.

 

Coached properly and utilised properly my opinion is all the players we currently have are a millions miles better than what we see each week.

[CostaJambo]

For anyone wondering what has gone so badly wrong at Tynie here is an interesting stat that says a lot to me - yesterday was Grant's 80th, yes 80th appearance.

[periodictabledancer]

1 hour ago, Bull's-eye said:

 

We had 70% possession yesterday so I'd suggest we did indeed play the usual possession based drivel.

 

That means all of our players have a huge amount of time on the ball, because of that and the lack of any team coherence all midfielders are going to lose the ball and can look pretty Shit on occasions.

 

Coached properly and utilised properly my opinion is all the players we currently have are a millions miles better than what we see each week.

The possession stats for the two  halves were noticeably different and it was clear in the first half players were breaking directly from midfield and running at at them. 

The players we see each week are the same players who' re on their third coach in just over a year ? 

Next month will be their fourth. 

Grant' s played 80 games apparently.  But he's gonna improve? 

 

It's all about opinions. 

 

[Malone]

8 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said:

The possession stats for the two  halves were noticeably different and it was clear in the first half players were breaking directly from midfield and running at at them. 

The players we see each week are the same players who' re on their third coach in just over a year ? 

Next month will be their fourth. 

Grant' s played 80 games apparently.  But he's gonna improve? 

 

It's all about opinions. 

 

I must have blinked and missed any of our midfielders “breaking from midfield and running at them.”

 

We had 63% possession first half, 76% second half so dominated the ball both halves. Bulls-eye’s point is totally valid. We were content to play the same slow, safe football that has got us where we are. 

[Scott Leitch]

3 hours ago, Malone said:

Given your unexplainable hatred of him across multiple threads, the only association I can see is one between Spittal and your wife.

 

That was easy 😂 😂 

[Malone]

24 minutes ago, Scott Leitch said:

 

That was easy 😂 😂 

She must be 👍🏻

[Scott Leitch]

4 minutes ago, Malone said:

She must be 👍🏻

😂 

[Aussie Jambo]

He’s not really done anything much to set the Heather on fire. I’m not really a fan. I hoped he would have moved on in the summer. Time for the new two to come in and Devlin & Grant to sit on the sidelines for a bit. Devlin had a few chances to score and fluffed the both. 

[Absolute Scenes]

Been okay with Grant over the last two seasons but right now he’s taking up a starting place and not doing anything with it. Dhanda and Spittal should both be starting and that means him dropping to the bench. 

[Kidd’s Boots]

The ex- coaching staff hadn’t planned on the Hoff lay-off extending to Nov or Grant would have been nowhere near the first team this season

[Dazo]

58 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said:

Been okay with Grant over the last two seasons but right now he’s taking up a starting place and not doing anything with it. Dhanda and Spittal should both be starting and that means him dropping to the bench. 

Yep that’s where I am. I don’t mind Grant and he at least tries to play football but we are getting no return from him imo. Spittal should definitely be playing ahead of him. Fox went too safe imo and in all likelihood when with players who have sway in the dressing room. 

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

1 hour ago, Dazo said:

Yep that’s where I am. I don’t mind Grant and he at least tries to play football but we are getting no return from him imo. Spittal should definitely be playing ahead of him. Fox went too safe imo and in all likelihood when with players who have sway in the dressing room. 

 

We're fond of saying things like "as long as he gives 100%" but Grant does do that in every game. The truth is that it's not enough though.

 

He's neat and tidy, he fights the battles, but he just doesn't have that next level in him. Beni's excellent at what he does for our level, Nieuwenhof too, but Grant's fairly average and we need better than that. It's a shame, I like him and I appreciate the effort but we need a higher calibre of player to pick out the passes when teams sit in at Tynie.

[The Mercer Takeover]

Should have been punted last year

[ƒιѕнρℓαρѕ]

2 minutes ago, The Mercer Takeover said:

Should have been punted last year

IIRC he was told he could leave in the summer but couldn't agree terms with whoever it was.

[DixieNormous]

latest whipping boy from the jkb faithful

[Go for it 1308]

17 hours ago, Malone said:

Given your unexplainable hatred of him across multiple threads, the only association I can see is one between Spittal and your wife.

Ouch 😂

[Aussie Jambo]

8 hours ago, Berrassobad said:

latest whipping boy from the jkb faithful

Not really, he’s been the whipping boy since he started. Can honestly say I’ve never actually rated him. He sort of has potential but it just didn’t really come to fruition. 

[SMJ_1874]

8 hours ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said:

IIRC he was told he could leave in the summer but couldn't agree terms with whoever it was.

 Not exactly but yes he was free to find another club.
 

He was to go out on loan last year but the team who enquired were told what contribution we were looking for in terms of wages and refused to meet our demands. Hence why he wasn’t included in our European squad. 

[HeartsandonlyHearts]

Dhanda looked 10 times the player Grant looked Saturday, and with way less minutes. Time for him to be warming the bench. Absolutely no offensive threat ever.

[GavK1012]

17 hours ago, Berrassobad said:

latest whipping boy from the jkb faithful

Hardly latest...one of the most ineffectual players I have witnessed in a Hearts top....hopefully saunters off in the summer & we seriously move on from players of that ilk & standard....

[hisnameis]

Ineffectual is the key word there. Rarely influences a game to any great degree. Looks like he has potential but doesn’t show it. Surprised he has been selected ahead of the likes of Dhanda and Spittal.

[Boab Mugabe]

One of those players that if they left tomorrow you wouldn’t notice their absence.

We have quite a lot of players like that.

[mr fox]

On 28/09/2024 at 17:11, DB-14 said:

What is he good at? 

Absolutely no idea should be nowhere near the team 

[mr fox]

29 minutes ago, hisnameis said:

Ineffectual is the key word there. Rarely influences a game to any great degree. Looks like he has potential but doesn’t show it. Surprised he has been selected ahead of the likes of Dhanda and Spittal.

Criminal this 

[tiger Rudi]

I rate him but he shouldn't be starting ahead of Dhanda or Spittal in an attacking midfield role. He's shown this season that he's decent in a deeper role, his touch and his ability to retain possession is good. Beni and Boateng if both fit should be picked before him. Tait gets a criminal lack of minutes so having Jorge around longer than this season just wouldn't make sense. I'm sure he'll be needed with the number of games coming thick and fast, but would look to move him on in January. 

He's been ok, but has under achieved, he could and should have done so much more.

 

Unfortunately he suffered initially (just like Dhanda and Spittal are now) by being dropped and in & out the team/squad on a regular basis after we signed him. He done well to force himself back into consideration with Neilson and then Naismith.

Bottom line is, we should be doing better in the transfer market than the likes of Grant. Dhanda and Spittal are good examples of that.

 

[We_are_the_Hearts]

For me he is everything wrong with the current team. Doesn’t score, doesn’t assist, plays everything safe, lacks pace, struggles in the games outside the OF as game ends up a battle and less space in the opposition half. Playing an important position and not good enough. 

[Absolute Scenes]

8 minutes ago, We_are_the_Hearts said:

For me he is everything wrong with the current team. Doesn’t score, doesn’t assist, plays everything safe, lacks pace, struggles in the games outside the OF as game ends up a battle and less space in the opposition half. Playing an important position and not good enough. 

Correct. Yes he’s clearly got ability, but when that ability isn’t supporting the team or progressing it, you are simply just taking up someone else’s shirt who could make a difference. Dhanda and Spittal should be two of the first names on the team sheet based on their stats last season alone

[Nelly Terraces]

On 29/09/2024 at 21:38, CostaJambo said:

For anyone wondering what has gone so badly wrong at Tynie here is an interesting stat that says a lot to me - yesterday was Grant's 80th, yes 80th appearance.

Terrifying to think this bog standard journeyman has had that many games for us.

 

He should never have played for us again after his ludicrous attempted showboating he failed with that led to the 3rd goal in the Dundee away debacle. On Saturday versus RC he was nothing short of utterly dreadful at literally everything & should've been subbed at half time, yet managed to stay on the pitch adding nothing until the 91st minute. 

 

Sums it up for me & sets the standard right there - play shit but you're still cool to get a full game at Hearts. 

[Ibrahim Tall]

5 minutes ago, Nelly Terraces said:

Terrifying to think this bog standard journeyman has had that many games for us.

 

He should never have played for us again after his ludicrous attempted showboating he failed with that led to the 3rd goal in the Dundee away debacle. On Saturday versus RC he was nothing short of utterly dreadful at literally everything & should've been subbed at half time, yet managed to stay on the pitch adding nothing until the 91st minute. 

 

Sums it up for me & sets the standard right there - play shit but you're still cool to get a full game at Hearts. 

 

Should have happened after Zurich tbh.

[Nelly Terraces]

2 minutes ago, Ibrahim Tall said:

 

Should have happened after Zurich tbh.

Can't disagree with you there mate, yet here we are over 2 years later & this is the sort of guy we have getting a full 90 minutes for us no matter how dreadfully he's playing. Like I said, that's the standard that seems acceptable at Hearts.

[periodictabledancer]

21 hours ago, Berrassobad said:

latest whipping boy from the jkb faithful

It's all about opinions. If you think he's worth a jersey, good for you. 

Why not say that?

 

[gorgieheart]

8 hours ago, HeartsandonlyHearts said:

Dhanda looked 10 times the player Grant looked Saturday, and with way less minutes. Time for him to be warming the bench. Absolutely no offensive threat ever.

....  not true....

 

he clearly carries an offensive threat here....  lots of folk offended by him

 

[HeartsandonlyHearts]

1 hour ago, gorgieheart said:

....  not true....

 

he clearly carries an offensive threat here....  lots of folk offended by him

 

😂

[David McCaig]

1 hour ago, periodictabledancer said:

It's all about opinions. If you think he's worth a jersey, good for you. 

Why not say that?

 

Grant is a microcosm of everything that is wrong with Hearts, neat and tidy but also safe and slow, no physical presence, doesn’t score goals, doesn’t create goals… the living embodiment of the type of player who could sleepwalk a club to relegation.

[Carter]

1 minute ago, David McCaig said:

Grant is a microcosm of everything that is wrong with Hearts, neat and tidy but also safe and slow, no physical presence, doesn’t score goals, doesn’t create goals… the living embodiment of the type of player who could sleepwalk a club to relegation.

Correct. We've got form for sleepwalking to that destination too. When you watch the way he strides about its clear he really fancies himself as a player. Was really notable as the game progressed on Saturday that he was drifting into areas where he patently couldn't receive the ball. Hiding in plain sight you might call it. 

 

How he lasted until 92nd minute is unfathomable based on the standard of his performance. 

[BerraBelieveit]

I can't believe that was his 80th appearance for Hearts. An attacking midfielder appearing 80 times for us should be doing much more than what Grant has. I will say that up until the last couple of games, Grant has arguably been our best player this season. That has been largely assisted with how poor everyone has been. I actually like Grant and think there's a place for him in the squad, particularly with a hectic schedule, but he wouldn't be considered in our strongest eleven. 

 

Beni & Boateng is the pairing with Dhanda in front of them. The sooner that that trio play together, the better. 

[alicante jambo]

2 minutes ago, Carter said:

Correct. We've got form for sleepwalking to that destination too. When you watch the way he strides about its clear he really fancies himself as a player. Was really notable as the game progressed on Saturday that he was drifting into areas where he patently couldn't receive the ball. Hiding in plain sight you might call it. 

 

How he lasted until 92nd minute is unfathomable based on the standard of his performance. 

Exactly why its so important we get a new manager in asap as fox looks lost at this level. Seems likely to keep the same team for thursday maybe afraid  to hurt anyone?

[Cruickie's Moustache]

7 minutes ago, Carter said:

Correct. We've got form for sleepwalking to that destination too. When you watch the way he strides about its clear he really fancies himself as a player. Was really notable as the game progressed on Saturday that he was drifting into areas where he patently couldn't receive the ball. Hiding in plain sight you might call it. 

 

How he lasted until 92nd minute is unfathomable based on the standard of his performance. 

Agree - Been saying that for ages.

Will 'stroll' in the middle of a triangle of opposition players and look like he is wanting the ball but Beni, Kent, Rowles etc can all see he will easily be pincered, so they don't pass it to him, or if they do all he can do is fire back from whence it came.

Rarely  seems to make any additional moves to pull and push the opposition out of position and make things happen / create something extra for himself.

[Malone]

County goal on Saturday was a microcosm of Grant. Receives the ball in a great attacking position, takes a terrible first touch, loses the subsequent 50-50, jogs back while County attack and score.

[Chaps]

I could count on one hand how many good performances he’s had in 80 appearances.

 

 

[pettigrewsstylist]

1 hour ago, Carter said:

Correct. We've got form for sleepwalking to that destination too. When you watch the way he strides about its clear he really fancies himself as a player. Was really notable as the game progressed on Saturday that he was drifting into areas where he patently couldn't receive the ball. Hiding in plain sight you might call it. 

 

How he lasted until 92nd minute is unfathomable based on the standard of his performance. 

Noticed him doing this also. His half hearted attempt at a 1-2 on edge of box in front of main stand was also cringeworthy.

Edited October 1, 2024 by pettigrewsstylist