Paris 84 Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 7 hours ago, Chaps said: We’ve benched two of the most creative players in the league last season almost every game yet we persist with a player that’s done the square root of **** all for 3 years. Utter madness. What he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paris 84 Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 1 hour ago, Scott Leitch said: You're talking shite. McKay and Dhanda were miles ahead of him. Anyway you're clearly associated in some way to him mate so we'll leave it there. You’re as good at spotting a player, as Scott Leitch was at trying to be a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo19 Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 I've seen more from Tait, Pollock and Denholm in maroon. These guys are hungry and want to develop The likes of Grant are here for a wage. He needs dropped to the B team like Sibbick and Atkinson were. He's nowhere near good enough and won't take us forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 1 hour ago, Bull's-eye said: In a set up thats about attacking and given a freedom to express themselves i think the likes of Grant will shine. As thats why he was signed in the 1st place, if we're going to keep this dogs of war approach in midfield of trying to battle through games, he's not your man, only Beni has the minerals for that type of scrap and because of it, will be injured again before long. This posession based rubbish we play doesn't work, doesn't suit any of the players we have and im expecting it to be binned as soon as a new coach enters the building. We didn't play the usual possession based drivel yesterday and early in the game he was breaking forward onto the opposition half where he usually just stopped and played a short ball inside. He contributed nothing. I have no idea what his strengths are , he's not pacy, he's not a passer, not a tackler. I don't know how he's made it to a third season at Hearts. A total impostor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copa-mundial Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 Grants stats have been okay at times. There's no denying that. However my gripe with him is. This is him now in his 3rd season with us. He's never really done anything of note to cement him being a stronghold in the team. I'd be interested to see how many starting appearances he's made in his time here. He was told last summer he was available to leave. At his age, he probably knew he wouldn't get a contract close to what he's on at Hearts. Like every player that signs. I want them to succeed. Some do some don't. Sadly for me Grant hasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 1 minute ago, copa-mundial said: Grants stats have been okay at times. There's no denying that. Which stats are these? Success from the penalty spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 1 hour ago, Drumjambo said: 4 attaching players?? starting at once ?? your going back to pre admin to watch that Not true. We started McKay, Dhanda, Shankland and Vargas vs Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 1 hour ago, Scott Leitch said: You're talking shite. McKay and Dhanda were miles ahead of him. Anyway you're clearly associated in some way to him mate so we'll leave it there. Given your unexplainable hatred of him across multiple threads, the only association I can see is one between Spittal and your wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 4 minutes ago, copa-mundial said: Grants stats have been okay at times. There's no denying that. However my gripe with him is. This is him now in his 3rd season with us. He's never really done anything of note to cement him being a stronghold in the team. I'd be interested to see how many starting appearances he's made in his time here. He was told last summer he was available to leave. At his age, he probably knew he wouldn't get a contract close to what he's on at Hearts. Like every player that signs. I want them to succeed. Some do some don't. Sadly for me Grant hasn't. The bar has been lowered for other players because Shankland was running riot. Shanks form bought Naismith time to find better players. This is the side that dumped Hibs out the cup in January 2023 Clark Sibbick Rowles Hill Smith Devlin Snodgrass Cochrane McKay Shankland Gino Kent was a big improvement but other than that, you’d be being kind if you said we’ve stood still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 38 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: We didn't play the usual possession based drivel yesterday and early in the game he was breaking forward onto the opposition half where he usually just stopped and played a short ball inside. He contributed nothing. I have no idea what his strengths are , he's not pacy, he's not a passer, not a tackler. I don't know how he's made it to a third season at Hearts. A total impostor. We had 70% possession yesterday so I'd suggest we did indeed play the usual possession based drivel. That means all of our players have a huge amount of time on the ball, because of that and the lack of any team coherence all midfielders are going to lose the ball and can look pretty Shit on occasions. Coached properly and utilised properly my opinion is all the players we currently have are a millions miles better than what we see each week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CostaJambo Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 For anyone wondering what has gone so badly wrong at Tynie here is an interesting stat that says a lot to me - yesterday was Grant's 80th, yes 80th appearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 1 hour ago, Bull's-eye said: We had 70% possession yesterday so I'd suggest we did indeed play the usual possession based drivel. That means all of our players have a huge amount of time on the ball, because of that and the lack of any team coherence all midfielders are going to lose the ball and can look pretty Shit on occasions. Coached properly and utilised properly my opinion is all the players we currently have are a millions miles better than what we see each week. The possession stats for the two halves were noticeably different and it was clear in the first half players were breaking directly from midfield and running at at them. The players we see each week are the same players who' re on their third coach in just over a year ? Next month will be their fourth. Grant' s played 80 games apparently. But he's gonna improve? It's all about opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 8 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said: The possession stats for the two halves were noticeably different and it was clear in the first half players were breaking directly from midfield and running at at them. The players we see each week are the same players who' re on their third coach in just over a year ? Next month will be their fourth. Grant' s played 80 games apparently. But he's gonna improve? It's all about opinions. I must have blinked and missed any of our midfielders “breaking from midfield and running at them.” We had 63% possession first half, 76% second half so dominated the ball both halves. Bulls-eye’s point is totally valid. We were content to play the same slow, safe football that has got us where we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Leitch Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 3 hours ago, Malone said: Given your unexplainable hatred of him across multiple threads, the only association I can see is one between Spittal and your wife. That was easy 😂 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 24 minutes ago, Scott Leitch said: That was easy 😂 😂 She must be 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Leitch Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 4 minutes ago, Malone said: She must be 👍🏻 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Jambo Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 He’s not really done anything much to set the Heather on fire. I’m not really a fan. I hoped he would have moved on in the summer. Time for the new two to come in and Devlin & Grant to sit on the sidelines for a bit. Devlin had a few chances to score and fluffed the both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Been okay with Grant over the last two seasons but right now he’s taking up a starting place and not doing anything with it. Dhanda and Spittal should both be starting and that means him dropping to the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd’s Boots Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 The ex- coaching staff hadn’t planned on the Hoff lay-off extending to Nov or Grant would have been nowhere near the first team this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 58 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: Been okay with Grant over the last two seasons but right now he’s taking up a starting place and not doing anything with it. Dhanda and Spittal should both be starting and that means him dropping to the bench. Yep that’s where I am. I don’t mind Grant and he at least tries to play football but we are getting no return from him imo. Spittal should definitely be playing ahead of him. Fox went too safe imo and in all likelihood when with players who have sway in the dressing room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 1 hour ago, Dazo said: Yep that’s where I am. I don’t mind Grant and he at least tries to play football but we are getting no return from him imo. Spittal should definitely be playing ahead of him. Fox went too safe imo and in all likelihood when with players who have sway in the dressing room. We're fond of saying things like "as long as he gives 100%" but Grant does do that in every game. The truth is that it's not enough though. He's neat and tidy, he fights the battles, but he just doesn't have that next level in him. Beni's excellent at what he does for our level, Nieuwenhof too, but Grant's fairly average and we need better than that. It's a shame, I like him and I appreciate the effort but we need a higher calibre of player to pick out the passes when teams sit in at Tynie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mercer Takeover Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Should have been punted last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 2 minutes ago, The Mercer Takeover said: Should have been punted last year IIRC he was told he could leave in the summer but couldn't agree terms with whoever it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berrassobad Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 latest whipping boy from the jkb faithful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go for it 1308 Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 17 hours ago, Malone said: Given your unexplainable hatred of him across multiple threads, the only association I can see is one between Spittal and your wife. Ouch 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Jambo Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 8 hours ago, Berrassobad said: latest whipping boy from the jkb faithful Not really, he’s been the whipping boy since he started. Can honestly say I’ve never actually rated him. He sort of has potential but it just didn’t really come to fruition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMJ_1874 Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 8 hours ago, ｕｎｋｎｏｗｎｕｓｅｒ said: IIRC he was told he could leave in the summer but couldn't agree terms with whoever it was. Not exactly but yes he was free to find another club. He was to go out on loan last year but the team who enquired were told what contribution we were looking for in terms of wages and refused to meet our demands. Hence why he wasn’t included in our European squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsandonlyHearts Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Dhanda looked 10 times the player Grant looked Saturday, and with way less minutes. Time for him to be warming the bench. Absolutely no offensive threat ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GavK1012 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 17 hours ago, Berrassobad said: latest whipping boy from the jkb faithful Hardly latest...one of the most ineffectual players I have witnessed in a Hearts top....hopefully saunters off in the summer & we seriously move on from players of that ilk & standard.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisnameis Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Ineffectual is the key word there. Rarely influences a game to any great degree. Looks like he has potential but doesn’t show it. Surprised he has been selected ahead of the likes of Dhanda and Spittal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Mugabe Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 One of those players that if they left tomorrow you wouldn’t notice their absence. We have quite a lot of players like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr fox Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 On 28/09/2024 at 17:11, DB-14 said: What is he good at? Absolutely no idea should be nowhere near the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr fox Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 29 minutes ago, hisnameis said: Ineffectual is the key word there. Rarely influences a game to any great degree. Looks like he has potential but doesn’t show it. Surprised he has been selected ahead of the likes of Dhanda and Spittal. Criminal this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Rudi Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 I rate him but he shouldn't be starting ahead of Dhanda or Spittal in an attacking midfield role. He's shown this season that he's decent in a deeper role, his touch and his ability to retain possession is good. Beni and Boateng if both fit should be picked before him. Tait gets a criminal lack of minutes so having Jorge around longer than this season just wouldn't make sense. I'm sure he'll be needed with the number of games coming thick and fast, but would look to move him on in January. He's been ok, but has under achieved, he could and should have done so much more. Unfortunately he suffered initially (just like Dhanda and Spittal are now) by being dropped and in & out the team/squad on a regular basis after we signed him. He done well to force himself back into consideration with Neilson and then Naismith. Bottom line is, we should be doing better in the transfer market than the likes of Grant. Dhanda and Spittal are good examples of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We_are_the_Hearts Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 For me he is everything wrong with the current team. Doesn’t score, doesn’t assist, plays everything safe, lacks pace, struggles in the games outside the OF as game ends up a battle and less space in the opposition half. Playing an important position and not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 8 minutes ago, We_are_the_Hearts said: For me he is everything wrong with the current team. Doesn’t score, doesn’t assist, plays everything safe, lacks pace, struggles in the games outside the OF as game ends up a battle and less space in the opposition half. Playing an important position and not good enough. Correct. Yes he’s clearly got ability, but when that ability isn’t supporting the team or progressing it, you are simply just taking up someone else’s shirt who could make a difference. Dhanda and Spittal should be two of the first names on the team sheet based on their stats last season alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 On 29/09/2024 at 21:38, CostaJambo said: For anyone wondering what has gone so badly wrong at Tynie here is an interesting stat that says a lot to me - yesterday was Grant's 80th, yes 80th appearance. Terrifying to think this bog standard journeyman has had that many games for us. He should never have played for us again after his ludicrous attempted showboating he failed with that led to the 3rd goal in the Dundee away debacle. On Saturday versus RC he was nothing short of utterly dreadful at literally everything & should've been subbed at half time, yet managed to stay on the pitch adding nothing until the 91st minute. Sums it up for me & sets the standard right there - play shit but you're still cool to get a full game at Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 5 minutes ago, Nelly Terraces said: Terrifying to think this bog standard journeyman has had that many games for us. He should never have played for us again after his ludicrous attempted showboating he failed with that led to the 3rd goal in the Dundee away debacle. On Saturday versus RC he was nothing short of utterly dreadful at literally everything & should've been subbed at half time, yet managed to stay on the pitch adding nothing until the 91st minute. Sums it up for me & sets the standard right there - play shit but you're still cool to get a full game at Hearts. Should have happened after Zurich tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelly Terraces Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 2 minutes ago, Ibrahim Tall said: Should have happened after Zurich tbh. Can't disagree with you there mate, yet here we are over 2 years later & this is the sort of guy we have getting a full 90 minutes for us no matter how dreadfully he's playing. Like I said, that's the standard that seems acceptable at Hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periodictabledancer Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 21 hours ago, Berrassobad said: latest whipping boy from the jkb faithful It's all about opinions. If you think he's worth a jersey, good for you. Why not say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgieheart Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 8 hours ago, HeartsandonlyHearts said: Dhanda looked 10 times the player Grant looked Saturday, and with way less minutes. Time for him to be warming the bench. Absolutely no offensive threat ever. .... not true.... he clearly carries an offensive threat here.... lots of folk offended by him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsandonlyHearts Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 1 hour ago, gorgieheart said: .... not true.... he clearly carries an offensive threat here.... lots of folk offended by him 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 1 hour ago, periodictabledancer said: It's all about opinions. If you think he's worth a jersey, good for you. Why not say that? Grant is a microcosm of everything that is wrong with Hearts, neat and tidy but also safe and slow, no physical presence, doesn’t score goals, doesn’t create goals… the living embodiment of the type of player who could sleepwalk a club to relegation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 1 minute ago, David McCaig said: Grant is a microcosm of everything that is wrong with Hearts, neat and tidy but also safe and slow, no physical presence, doesn’t score goals, doesn’t create goals… the living embodiment of the type of player who could sleepwalk a club to relegation. Correct. We've got form for sleepwalking to that destination too. When you watch the way he strides about its clear he really fancies himself as a player. Was really notable as the game progressed on Saturday that he was drifting into areas where he patently couldn't receive the ball. Hiding in plain sight you might call it. How he lasted until 92nd minute is unfathomable based on the standard of his performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerraBelieveit Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 I can't believe that was his 80th appearance for Hearts. An attacking midfielder appearing 80 times for us should be doing much more than what Grant has. I will say that up until the last couple of games, Grant has arguably been our best player this season. That has been largely assisted with how poor everyone has been. I actually like Grant and think there's a place for him in the squad, particularly with a hectic schedule, but he wouldn't be considered in our strongest eleven. Beni & Boateng is the pairing with Dhanda in front of them. The sooner that that trio play together, the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicante jambo Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 2 minutes ago, Carter said: Correct. We've got form for sleepwalking to that destination too. When you watch the way he strides about its clear he really fancies himself as a player. Was really notable as the game progressed on Saturday that he was drifting into areas where he patently couldn't receive the ball. Hiding in plain sight you might call it. How he lasted until 92nd minute is unfathomable based on the standard of his performance. Exactly why its so important we get a new manager in asap as fox looks lost at this level. Seems likely to keep the same team for thursday maybe afraid to hurt anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruickie's Moustache Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 7 minutes ago, Carter said: Correct. We've got form for sleepwalking to that destination too. When you watch the way he strides about its clear he really fancies himself as a player. Was really notable as the game progressed on Saturday that he was drifting into areas where he patently couldn't receive the ball. Hiding in plain sight you might call it. How he lasted until 92nd minute is unfathomable based on the standard of his performance. Agree - Been saying that for ages. Will 'stroll' in the middle of a triangle of opposition players and look like he is wanting the ball but Beni, Kent, Rowles etc can all see he will easily be pincered, so they don't pass it to him, or if they do all he can do is fire back from whence it came. Rarely seems to make any additional moves to pull and push the opposition out of position and make things happen / create something extra for himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malone Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 County goal on Saturday was a microcosm of Grant. Receives the ball in a great attacking position, takes a terrible first touch, loses the subsequent 50-50, jogs back while County attack and score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaps Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 I could count on one hand how many good performances he’s had in 80 appearances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, Carter said: Correct. We've got form for sleepwalking to that destination too. When you watch the way he strides about its clear he really fancies himself as a player. Was really notable as the game progressed on Saturday that he was drifting into areas where he patently couldn't receive the ball. Hiding in plain sight you might call it. How he lasted until 92nd minute is unfathomable based on the standard of his performance. Noticed him doing this also. His half hearted attempt at a 1-2 on edge of box in front of main stand was also cringeworthy. Edited October 1 by pettigrewsstylist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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