Ricardo Quaresma Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 All of it was rangers fans; all of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 13 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Saw a fair bit of trouble on Saturday actually, and haven't done for quite some time, home or away. The scrap in front of the ultras was nothing to do with them and wasn't a Rangers fan either - it was a pissed up couple having a fall-out, the boy grabbed her by the throat or something, and then she started laying into him. Had him leaning over the barrier pounding down on the back of his heed. She absolutely battered him 🤣 - stewards just stood and watched, as others have said, and it was actually a couple of the ultras who pulled the guy away. Polis eventually strolled over and told the stewards to get rid of him but then they didn't take him out themselves and just handed him over to the stewards and walked into the stand and up the stairs. After the game a few Rangers fans were walking through the Hearts fans and there was the usual chanting and whatever, saw another couple get into a bit of a scrap again when she was hitting him to get him to stop shouting at Rangers fans and sort of shoved her away which only made her worse. She was holding on to a kid as well Then around the Gulf petrol station I saw two Jambos rolling about, one of them got sparked and then started a shouting match with what I assume might have been his son or something. Dearie me ! It was a very odd atmosphere ! Imagine fighting in front of your own kids etc ! Poor children . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 32 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Saw a fair bit of trouble on Saturday actually, and haven't done for quite some time, home or away. The scrap in front of the ultras was nothing to do with them and wasn't a Rangers fan either - it was a pissed up couple having a fall-out, the boy grabbed her by the throat or something, and then she started laying into him. Had him leaning over the barrier pounding down on the back of his heed. She absolutely battered him 🤣 - stewards just stood and watched, as others have said, and it was actually a couple of the ultras who pulled the guy away. Polis eventually strolled over and told the stewards to get rid of him but then they didn't take him out themselves and just handed him over to the stewards and walked into the stand and up the stairs. After the game a few Rangers fans were walking through the Hearts fans and there was the usual chanting and whatever, saw another couple get into a bit of a scrap again when she was hitting him to get him to stop shouting at Rangers fans and sort of shoved her away which only made her worse. She was holding on to a kid as well Then around the Gulf petrol station I saw two Jambos rolling about, one of them got sparked and then started a shouting match with what I assume might have been his son or something. I wonder if it would have been just as amusing or if the stewards would have stood back if he had had her leaning over the barrier pounding down on the back of her heed as he absolutely battered her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Are the stewards trained and paid to separate fighting? I know the polis are but they clearly lazy ***** who don't want to do any paperwork and would rather stop supporter buses for the power trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir PH Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, kila said: Are the stewards trained and paid to separate fighting? I know the polis are but they clearly lazy ***** who don't want to do any paperwork and would rather stop supporter buses for the power trip. I wasn't too far from the fight. Three or four stewards stood and watched it, for what felt like a couple of minutes, before one of them decided to go in and split it up, followed (eventually) by some more stewards. The polis stood at the corner flag entrance, doing absolutely nothing. To be fair, whether they were aware the fight was happening, is another matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, been here before said: I wonder if it would have been just as amusing or if the stewards would have stood back if he had had her leaning over the barrier pounding down on the back of her heed as he absolutely battered her. Yeah exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, kila said: Are the stewards trained and paid to separate fighting? I know the polis are but they clearly lazy ***** who don't want to do any paperwork and would rather stop supporter buses for the power trip. Considering some of them are 18 year old lassies and 5 foot nothing, I seriously doubt their ability to break up many fights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir PH Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just now, Batistuta87 said: Considering some of them are 18 year old lassies and 5 foot nothing, I seriously doubt their ability to break up many fights. The stewards in front of the fight certainly weren't young girls. They were well built men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 6 minutes ago, Sir PH said: The stewards in front of the fight certainly weren't young girls. They were well built men. Generally speaking though - there are a fair number of wee women and young lassies working as stewards. The one in front of me at Tynecastle is a young Indian lassie about 5 foot 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Considering some of them are 18 year old lassies and 5 foot nothing, I seriously doubt their ability to break up many fights. https://careers.g4s.com/en/event-steward Skills required include: "Attention to detail and alert to any changes that may indicate an increased security risk or unusual situation" Activities include: "Reporting any security incidents or concerns and dealing with emergency situations" Seems they are to report security incidents instead of dealing with them. Surely they make their supervisor aware there's a scrap who then alerts the police. Or maybe they do and the police choose not to get involved with their preference to let it play out and hope no one is battered too badly. They want to still be onsite to get the leftover pies at full time instead of at the station dealing with the riff-raff. Know a cop who did Tynecastle once and they just stand to have a presence, there is zero desire to actually get involved in situations, and they all loved getting the leftover pies. Clubs pay for policing too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Sir PH said: The stewards in front of the fight certainly weren't young girls. They were well built men. Edited April 23 by Seymour M Hersh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Numerous fighting in the Hearts end after we gave away tickets to every tom dick and harry. Coincidence no? Can of worms well and truly opened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 35 minutes ago, kila said: https://careers.g4s.com/en/event-steward Skills required include: "Attention to detail and alert to any changes that may indicate an increased security risk or unusual situation" Activities include: "Reporting any security incidents or concerns and dealing with emergency situations" Seems they are to report security incidents instead of dealing with them. Surely they make their supervisor aware there's a scrap who then alerts the police. Or maybe they do and the police choose not to get involved with their preference to let it play out and hope no one is battered too badly. They want to still be onsite to get the leftover pies at full time instead of at the station dealing with the riff-raff. Know a cop who did Tynecastle once and they just stand to have a presence, there is zero desire to actually get involved in situations, and they all loved getting the leftover pies. Clubs pay for policing too Doesn't specify that they might need to get a 6 foot 4 pissed up lunatic into a half nelson then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CostaJambo Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 6 hours ago, Sir PH said: I wasn't too far from the fight. Three or four stewards stood and watched it, for what felt like a couple of minutes, before one of them decided to go in and split it up, followed (eventually) by some more stewards. The polis stood at the corner flag entrance, doing absolutely nothing. To be fair, whether they were aware the fight was happening, is another matter. I think the cops no longer get involved in paggers due to "Health and Safety". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir PH Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, CostaJambo said: I think the cops no longer get involved in paggers due to "Health and Safety". So leave it to the poor sods on £10 per hour? 🫤 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 19 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: I was beside three Urush folk, two girls and a guy, and a Scot, all a bit drunk. Plain to see the three weren’t fans of what Rangers stand for lets say. The Scot joins in with the Huns when they start signing Hello Hello 🤦🏽🤪. The pals and GF weren’t impressed 😆. Just realised you meant Irish 😂 any Hearts joining in with the Huns singing Hullo Hullo, is fair game really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 hours ago, Batistuta87 said: Generally speaking though - there are a fair number of wee women and young lassies working as stewards. The one in front of me at Tynecastle is a young Indian lassie about 5 foot 2. Think this is all too common misconception regarding stewards. They are not there to be bouncers. Just to try and keep passageways clear and advise people to thee seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 6 hours ago, Batistuta87 said: Yeah exactly. It's part of their Licence conditions to intervene if a woman is being harassed / attacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 25 minutes ago, lou said: Just realised you meant Irish 😂 any Hearts joining in with the Huns singing Hullo Hullo, is fair game really Yeah forgot to change that 😆, yeah what an idiot 🤦🏽. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 7 hours ago, kila said: Are the stewards trained and paid to separate fighting? I know the polis are but they clearly lazy ***** who don't want to do any paperwork and would rather stop supporter buses for the power trip. I’m not sure what they’re for. The ones at tynecastle are really good at walking up and down stairs in unison, right along the wheatfield stand. Like synchronised swimming but without water or tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Fox Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 On 23/04/2024 at 00:21, Hectormasson said: me and m8 got the 7.30 out of queen street, seemed ok, was there bother, after that??? No, it was just a few young men behaving like young boys, all good humoured but included some homphobic & sectarian singing. Overall reasonably good banter but nevertheless was upsetting for single travellers (including females) especially those sitting nearby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectormasson Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 33 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said: No, it was just a few young men behaving like young boys, all good humoured but included some homphobic & sectarian singing. Overall reasonably good banter but nevertheless was upsetting for single travellers (including females) especially those sitting nearby! 👍👍🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 21 hours ago, GinRummy said: I’m not sure what they’re for. The ones at tynecastle are really good at walking up and down stairs in unison, right along the wheatfield stand. Like synchronised swimming but without water or tricks. Why do they do that, to give them something to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 15 minutes ago, Chuck Berry said: Why do they do that, to give them something to do? I don’t really know. I assume their presence is supposed to put people off being naughty. For some games the amount of them just seems like overkill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 11 minutes ago, GinRummy said: I don’t really know. I assume their presence is supposed to put people off being naughty. For some games the amount of them just seems like overkill. They are generally kids and early age adults . They observe and report where appropriate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 A wee bit off topic but I noticed at the celtic dons semi there was a line of stewards at the corner of the East stand, separating celtic fans and celtic fans. What is the point of that?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 19 minutes ago, XB52 said: A wee bit off topic but I noticed at the celtic dons semi there was a line of stewards at the corner of the East stand, separating celtic fans and celtic fans. What is the point of that?? They booked the number of stewards before Aberdeen started selling tickets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, Chuck Berry said: Why do they do that, to give them something to do? I always wondered if it was a fire safety check. You know in case anyone had anything blocking the end of the rows or near the ends? They seem to look left and right at each row as they pass my seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 On 23/04/2024 at 09:17, Batistuta87 said: Saw a fair bit of trouble on Saturday actually, and haven't done for quite some time, home or away. The scrap in front of the ultras was nothing to do with them and wasn't a Rangers fan either - it was a pissed up couple having a fall-out, the boy grabbed her by the throat or something, and then she started laying into him. Had him leaning over the barrier pounding down on the back of his heed. She absolutely battered him 🤣 - stewards just stood and watched, as others have said, and it was actually a couple of the ultras who pulled the guy away. Polis eventually strolled over and told the stewards to get rid of him but then they didn't take him out themselves and just handed him over to the stewards and walked into the stand and up the stairs. After the game a few Rangers fans were walking through the Hearts fans and there was the usual chanting and whatever, saw another couple get into a bit of a scrap again when she was hitting him to get him to stop shouting at Rangers fans and sort of shoved her away which only made her worse. She was holding on to a kid as well Then around the Gulf petrol station I saw two Jambos rolling about, one of them got sparked and then started a shouting match with what I assume might have been his son or something. If you saw trouble on Saturday then I would think it was sellik fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 On 23/04/2024 at 12:45, Negan said: Numerous fighting in the Hearts end after we gave away tickets to every tom dick and harry. Coincidence no? Can of worms well and truly opened. It often happens when we have a higher than usual allocation. Tbh I'd be quite happy if in future we take an allocation of 15-16k and just have it full of regulars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 2 hours ago, The Treasurer said: If you saw trouble on Saturday then I would think it was sellik fans. Sunday 🥴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forza Cuore Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, Jim_Duncan said: Murrayfield semi was the worst I’ve seen for that. Seemed like every bam in Edinburgh had just turned up in the Hearts end that day. Aye that day was mental, even my wife was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocam2325 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 On 23/04/2024 at 10:12, kila said: Are the stewards trained and paid to separate fighting? I know the polis are but they clearly lazy ***** who don't want to do any paperwork and would rather stop supporter buses for the power trip. That's a ridiculous comment. Firstly, in most situations now, cops are not allowed by senior officers to enter the crowd. So to label them lazy is totally unfair. I presume you've never actually been sent into a hosile crowd at a football game!!! Cops are massively overworked and do a remarkable job most of the time. A job that most wouldn't have the bottle to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerjames398 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, Jim_Duncan said: Murrayfield semi was the worst I’ve seen for that. Seemed like every bam in Edinburgh had just turned up in the Hearts end that day. some of the sights on dsplay that day, was somethimg to behold,😂🤣😂🇱🇻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir PH Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 14 minutes ago, Jocam2325 said: That's a ridiculous comment. Firstly, in most situations now, cops are not allowed by senior officers to enter the crowd. So to label them lazy is totally unfair. I presume you've never actually been sent into a hosile crowd at a football game!!! Cops are massively overworked and do a remarkable job most of the time. A job that most wouldn't have the bottle to do It's their job to deal with disorder. They get sent into fights every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerjames398 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 12 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: folk bouncing around with 3 eye balls, and hand to hand combat with celtic fans who got in our end, absolute bedlam🤯😂🇱🇻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronald Villiers Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 57 minutes ago, Sir PH said: It's their job to deal with disorder. They get sent into fights every day. They do aye, maybe ootside a pub or nightclub. It's a bit different I suppose with thousands of coked up drunk fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, Jocam2325 said: That's a ridiculous comment. Firstly, in most situations now, cops are not allowed by senior officers to enter the crowd. So to label them lazy is totally unfair. I presume you've never actually been sent into a hosile crowd at a football game!!! Cops are massively overworked and do a remarkable job most of the time. A job that most wouldn't have the bottle to do What do you consider a remarkable job (most of the time) to actually be then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 M 1 hour ago, Sir PH said: It's their job to deal with disorder. They get sent into fights every day. It's their job to maintain order. And if that means letting a few folk act like arsehiles then that's what it means. I thought the whole ground was tame. Imagine this forum after 76. On 23/04/2024 at 09:29, JudyJudyJudy said: Started from the beginning I feel . Where about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 2 minutes ago, Doctor FinnBarr said: What do you consider a remarkable job (most of the time) to actually be then? Dealing with the shitty end of the stick for a relatively shit pay. Maintaining relatively a pretty high standard of law and specifically order. Do you think 8 polis wading in is effective policing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannymack Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 On 23/04/2024 at 17:13, CostaJambo said: I think the cops no longer get involved in paggers due to "Health and Safety". Two tiered policing these days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocam2325 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 3 hours ago, Sir PH said: It's their job to deal with disorder. They get sent into fights every day. Almost too idiotic a statement to respond to. Almost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocam2325 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 2 hours ago, Doctor FinnBarr said: What do you consider a remarkable job (most of the time) to actually be then? I know exactly what a remarkable job cops do in a huge multitude of different ways and people making lazy uninformed statements do so normally because they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir PH Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 3 hours ago, Jocam2325 said: Almost too idiotic a statement to respond to. Almost There was more enough police there to split that fight up. I seen it. And if they're not there to maintain order, what are they there for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 9 hours ago, Jocam2325 said: That's a ridiculous comment. Firstly, in most situations now, cops are not allowed by senior officers to enter the crowd. So to label them lazy is totally unfair. I presume you've never actually been sent into a hosile crowd at a football game!!! Cops are massively overworked and do a remarkable job most of the time. A job that most wouldn't have the bottle to do If what you say is correct, then what is the point of actually having police at football grounds, at a huge cost to the clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 22 hours ago, Jim_Duncan said: Murrayfield semi was the worst I’ve seen for that. Seemed like every bam in Edinburgh had just turned up in the Hearts end that day. That final against St Mirren in 2013 was quite bad as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 22 hours ago, Jim_Duncan said: Edited April 25 by Stupid Sexy Flanders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectormasson Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 minute ago, Stupid Sexy Flanders said: That final against St Mirren in 2013 was quite bad as well. still get nightmares about the st midden debacle😭😭😭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droid Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 On 24/04/2024 at 20:25, Jim_Duncan said: Murrayfield semi was the worst I’ve seen for that. Seemed like every bam in Edinburgh had just turned up in the Hearts end that day. Murrayfield was the most pished I’ve ever seen a Hearts support. Folk falling about everywhere. Squirmishes all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 9 minutes ago, droid said: Murrayfield was the most pished I’ve ever seen a Hearts support. Folk falling about everywhere. Squirmishes all over the place. Great word ! Like fights that are so embarrassing they make you squirm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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