Helter Skelter Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Nowhere near strong enough. There were many mistakes made today that gifted Rangers 2 goals. His indecision as Tavernier went down however ensures we were a goal down inside 5 minutes. Just go through the ****in ball ffs. Get rid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam11 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Excellent on the side of a back 3 where he can read the game and mop things up. Terrible in a 4 as there is no physicality or aggression in him. Given a 4 is our best setup, he isn’t a great fit for us anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Go a bit further back in the play it's Kingsley that creates the real mayhem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 He's just not hard enough , a proper sap unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helter Skelter Posted April 21 Author Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, vegas-voss said: Go a bit further back in the play it's Kingsley that creates the real mayhem As I said, many mistakes made. Watch it again and see Rowles hesitation. Unforgivable for a supposed centre half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helter Skelter Posted April 21 Author Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, ramrod said: He's just not hard enough , a proper sap unfortunately. Correct. Soft as shite. Its happened on too many occasions now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, Helter Skelter said: As I said, many mistakes made. Watch it again and see Rowles hesitation. Unforgivable for a supposed centre half. No I do agree but it all starts with a brain-dead moment from Kingsley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helter Skelter Posted April 21 Author Share Posted April 21 Just now, vegas-voss said: No I do agree but it all starts with a brain-dead moment from Kingsley Kingsley didn’t play the situation well. Probably had time to take on his weak foot. Forrest was then weak after that. Atkinson was Atkinson in defence. I just can’t get my head around a Centre Half not going through the ball that Rowles should have. Baffles me and not for the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Colquhoun Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Never understood the hype. Terrible player. Hasn’t improved since we signed him. Same as Atkinson, hanging around season after season once it’s clear they’re not good enough and aren’t going to develop into the players we hope. Pathetically weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock _turd Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 That goal was a disaster he virtually passed the ball to the Rangers player shocking play. The ball should have been five rows back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldar Hadzimehmedovic Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Not even about today necessarily but he's just nowhere near good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Rowles has been really solid 90% of this season. He just has ****ing brain farts for the other 10%. He's not the issue tbh. It's the midfield. It's non existent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 IMO in a back 4 he's a left back. I'd grab Stuart Findlay in the summer and at least be confident we're not going to be bullied at the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzbomb1958 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Probably took up football cos he kept getting pummelled at Aussie rules football unfortunately he’s that much a pussy I’d think tiddlywinks would be too hard for him , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts00 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Rowles is annoying because looks like a Rolls Royce much of the time but yes is soft and vulnerable at times and when you compare him to Kent it is just night and day. We need another Kent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster HMFC Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Aye he's the problem if you're an idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Just now, hearts00 said: Rowles is annoying because looks like a Rolls Royce much of the time but yes is soft and vulnerable at times and when you compare him to Kent it is just night and day. We need another Kent. Yep. I'd like to see Stuart Findlay signed, a back 3 of Kent Findlay Rowles is solid as they come. And in a back 4, RB Kent Findlay Rowles is also remarkably solid. Difficulty is that we have Kingsley, Rowles & Penrice (assuming Cochrane is sold), so LB and LCB are well covered. Rowles despite his attributes is kind of the odd man, because he is the weak link at the back, we all know he's weak and gets bullied easily. Not into working round a problem like that though, rather sign someone like Findlay and hope he rises to the challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 minutes ago, Buster HMFC said: Aye he's the problem if you're an idiot Yip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 15 minutes ago, Big John Colquhoun said: Never understood the hype. Terrible player. Hasn’t improved since we signed him. Same as Atkinson, hanging around season after season once it’s clear they’re not good enough and aren’t going to develop into the players we hope. Pathetically weak. If anything he's regressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 16 minutes ago, Big John Colquhoun said: Never understood the hype. Terrible player. Hasn’t improved since we signed him. Same as Atkinson, hanging around season after season once it’s clear they’re not good enough and aren’t going to develop into the players we hope. Pathetically weak. We should have cashed in after the World Cup. That was as high as his value will ever be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdl2002 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 52 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: Go a bit further back in the play it's Kingsley that creates the real mayhem This 👆🏻😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badonde Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 He’s always been shite. Weak as water, rubbish on the ball. Looks nervous every game. Get rid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungalow Bill Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 7 minutes ago, Bindy Badgy said: We should have cashed in after the World Cup. That was as high as his value will ever be. Did we turn down an offer for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris5115 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Helter Skelter said: Nowhere near strong enough. There were many mistakes made today that gifted Rangers 2 goals. His indecision as Tavernier went down however ensures we were a goal down inside 5 minutes. Just go through the ****in ball ffs. Get rid. Only 4 years of his contract to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Munro Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 His general play is worse than Toby Sibbicks. If Sibbick had had the chances Rowles has had (especially next to Kent) we'd be in a better place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Helter Skelter said: Nowhere near strong enough. There were many mistakes made today that gifted Rangers 2 goals. His indecision as Tavernier went down however ensures we were a goal down inside 5 minutes. Just go through the ****in ball ffs. Get rid. Here we go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfcbilly Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 minutes ago, Chuck Berry said: Here we go Yep...every time we get beat, here comes another 'Rowles isn't strong enough' thread (which, tbf, he isn't a lot of the time) but I wish mods would just delete. Or at least change thread title to rowles isn't strong enough so I know not to look 🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, vegas-voss said: Go a bit further back in the play it's Kingsley that creates the real mayhem Yep. Kingsley causes the problems. This thread seems like a case of blaming the player that some already dislike rather than the main culprit. If the roles had been reversed and it had been Rowles that failed to deal with the initial ball and Kingsley who then didn't deal with the fallout, I have no doubt that this would still be a thread blaming Rowles. 17 minutes ago, Bunny Munro said: His general play is worse than Toby Sibbicks. If Sibbick had had the chances Rowles has had (especially next to Kent) we'd be in a better place. Well that is an opinion I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Bad clearance from Kingsley, Rowles does 100% hesitate which opens up the poke/deflection to Cantwell. I don't know what Kingsley is doing to begin with though. Why is he hitting a ball with zero idea of where its going? Its not kungfu, position properly and clear the ball correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost in space Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Think he is better as a LB - and think he played that position for Oz in a recent game. Also think that Kingsley is now probably better in centre. He isn't getting any younger. Penrice is probably replacement for Cochrane. Penrice and Rowles should be chosen LB. We need another CH and a reliable RB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts00 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 minutes ago, lost in space said: Think he is better as a LB - and think he played that position for Oz in a recent game. Also think that Kingsley is now probably better in centre. He isn't getting any younger. Penrice is probably replacement for Cochrane. Penrice and Rowles should be chosen LB. We need another CH and a reliable RB. And a lot of surgery on the midfield. And vargas to dramatically improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 2 minutes ago, OTT said: Bad clearance from Kingsley, Rowles does 100% hesitate which opens up the poke/deflection to Cantwell. I don't know what Kingsley is doing to begin with though. Why is he hitting a ball with zero idea of where its going? Its not kungfu, position properly and clear the ball correctly. That is a good summary. Forest could probably react faster. I think Rowles them hesitates waiting on a free kick to Rangers that doesn't come. After that it is pretty much good play from Rangers. The fact that some people are saying Atkinson is a big part of the problem at that goal is as good a demonstration as any that people are judging on their pre-existing opinions. If he doesn't dove in Dessers has an easy finish and people could rightly blame him for not reacting. When he does dive in it asks the question of whether Dessers can react. Unfortunately he can and performs a good drag back to open the chance up again. It is simply good forward play at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Kidd Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Whomever gave him a 5 year deal needs sectioned. An utter coward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 It’s unforgivable your centre half pulling out a 50/50 at any stage. First five in a semi where you need to lay markers down, which ends up in a goal…get rid genuinely I’ve had enough of it. Sell him asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helter Skelter Posted April 21 Author Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Buster HMFC said: Aye he's the problem if you're an idiot 58 minutes ago, Sooks said: Yip He was a huge problem today. Not my fault your eyes are painted on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helter Skelter Posted April 21 Author Share Posted April 21 7 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: It’s unforgivable your centre half pulling out a 50/50 at any stage. First five in a semi where you need to lay markers down, which ends up in a goal…get rid genuinely I’ve had enough of it. Sell him asap. Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Garbage, we will be lucky to get £1m for him, poor at both goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicante jambo Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Helter Skelter said: As I said, many mistakes made. Watch it again and see Rowles hesitation. Unforgivable for a supposed centre half. Hes no good enough he would be another of the 4 or 5 i would get rid of. Gets constantly ragdolled. Someone above called him a sap thats exactly what he is a sap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster HMFC Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Just now, Helter Skelter said: He was a huge problem today. Not my fault your eyes are painted on. Kingsley should be shot for trying to clear with his left foot. Cost us the 1st goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helter Skelter Posted April 21 Author Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, Buster HMFC said: Kingsley should be shot for trying to clear with his left foot. Cost us the 1st goal. Bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 26 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said: Yep. Kingsley causes the problems. This thread seems like a case of blaming the player that some already dislike rather than the main culprit. If the roles had been reversed and it had been Rowles that failed to deal with the initial ball and Kingsley who then didn't deal with the fallout, I have no doubt that this would still be a thread blaming Rowles. Well that is an opinion I suppose. He definitely starts the problem, Forrest is asleep, Rowles then goes forward and has to win the ball or foul the player. Awful goal to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 7 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: It’s unforgivable your centre half pulling out a 50/50 at any stage. First five in a semi where you need to lay markers down, which ends up in a goal…get rid genuinely I’ve had enough of it. Sell him asap. I think he's too awkward a player to fit into future plans. Naismith clearly wants a back 4, he's not dominant enough. We have Kingsley at LB (Can cover LCB) We currently have Cochrane at LB (will likely lose him & get Penrice) So given Rowles cannot be trusted in a back 4, he has to play LB, but that becomes pointless as we already have Kingsley & Cochrane/Penrice. He's the bad egg, so should be sold and a proper CB brought in. I've said a few times above, but Stuart Findlay would be my #1 choice. Big strong, aerially dominant CB that won't be bullied. Does mean our distribution out of our back line won't be great, but TBH I don't think we play it out from the back effectively anyway - how many goals have we scored doing that/ how many times have we actually beat the press? Just hubris at this point. Alternative is dump Kingsley. I'm not sure the best approach, but a CB that cannot stand up to the physicality of the league is an issue. He'd excel somewhere like Japan or Spain where the league isn't so physical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster HMFC Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, Helter Skelter said: Bullshit. Watch it again pal. You'll see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxondale Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Helter Skelter said: Nowhere near strong enough. There were many mistakes made today that gifted Rangers 2 goals. His indecision as Tavernier went down however ensures we were a goal down inside 5 minutes. Just go through the ****in ball ffs. Get rid. Get rid? He did not have a great game like many of the players out there, yet you felt the need to single him out. He’s been good for us this season, including the last couple games against Celtic, yet you want to ‘get rid’? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicante jambo Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 3 minutes ago, Buster HMFC said: Kingsley should be shot for trying to clear with his left foot. Cost us the 1st goal. Buster they still had loads to do but that goal isnt on kingsley and he played well today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, Helter Skelter said: Bullshit. He's culpable. He put the ball into a dangerous area because he didn't know where he was putting it by just trying to make contact with it. Half measures, either clear the ball or don't. A half clearance to the opposition is bloody dangerous and cost us massively. Absolutely no way he's absolved of the blame because Rowles hesitated on a 50/50. Plenty of blame to go round there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 17 minutes ago, Walter Kidd said: Whomever gave him a 5 year deal needs sectioned. An utter coward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Just now, saxondale said: Get rid? He did not have a great game like many of the players out there, yet you felt the need to single him out. He’s been good for us this season, including the last couple games against Celtic, yet you want to ‘get rid’? He's consistently poor in a back 4. Manager wants to play a back 4. Unfortunately, its a decision that needs to be made. Continue on with a system the manager doesn't like to accomodate 1 player, or punt that player to bring in a competent player to play the system the manager wants. IMO it doesn't make sense to keep him, unless he can stomach being a left back (which then brings its own questions for Kingsley & Penrice/Cochrane). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 3 minutes ago, saxondale said: Get rid? He did not have a great game like many of the players out there, yet you felt the need to single him out. He’s been good for us this season, including the last couple games against Celtic, yet you want to ‘get rid’? It's the JKB way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 7 minutes ago, Buster HMFC said: Kingsley should be shot for trying to clear with his left foot. Cost us the 1st goal. Should head it back, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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