John Findlay Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 16 hours ago, martoon said: Exactly. The entire "first team in Europe" thing is a mere footnote in the history of Scottish football. If that. Look at the fuss they make over it, though. Tinpot, indeed. They finished 5th in the league. Aberdeen were champions. Their chairman was head honcho at the SFA at the time. The Swedish team they played, Djurdenans(excuse the spelling), played their home leg at St Johnstone's old Muirton Park I believe. So they didn't exactly travel far for that one😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 27 minutes ago, John Findlay said: They finished 5th in the league. Aberdeen were champions. Their chairman was head honcho at the SFA at the time. The Swedish team they played, Djurdenans(excuse the spelling), played their home leg at St Johnstone's old Muirton Park I believe. So they didn't exactly travel far for that one😉 Djurgårdens played their home leg at Firhill due to the weather in Stockholm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 8 minutes ago, Chuck Berry said: Djurgårdens played their home leg at Firhill due to the weather in Stockholm. I knew they never played it in Sweden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4marsbars Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Meanwhile, what were Hearts up to in 1956? While Hibs won two ties against teams few can name, we won the big cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Munro Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 11 hours ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: yes I disagree, but it’s also in a measure in our own hands. The conference league means that the rest of Scotland’s European contingent needs to start bringing in more coefficient points. We got 4 two years ago, Aberdeen got 5, we need to aim for 6. McInnes has done okay in Europe in the past and any points from Killie would be gravy. Scotland is hurting because of a couple of absolutely terrible years by the OF but also no other teams are helping prop it up. We need to change that next season for our own good. I, like most imagine, get most of my info from the Scottish Coefficient account on twitter. Where do these numbers come from? They don't tally with anything I've seen anywhere else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) Double post Edited April 16 by Watt-Zeefuik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 51 minutes ago, Bunny Munro said: I, like most imagine, get most of my info from the Scottish Coefficient account on twitter. Where do these numbers come from? They don't tally with anything I've seen anywhere else? https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2024 I may have just stated it clumsily. But the coefficients are on UEFA's website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Munro Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 9 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2024 I may have just stated it clumsily. But the coefficients are on UEFA's website. Thanks for the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 47 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2024 I may have just stated it clumsily. But the coefficients are on UEFA's website. target need to be 5000 points this season. Overtake the sheep. Am I right in saying the 2000 points they have form 19/20 will drop off as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 14 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: target need to be 5000 points this season. Overtake the sheep. Am I right in saying the 2000 points they have form 19/20 will drop off as well? It's 5.0 and 2.0, not 5,000 and 2,000, but yes. And aside from bragging rights the order isn't that important, but for our own interest we're being propped up by the 7.2 national average when we go to Europe. If we get above that, we start getting the prospect of better seeding in future years. Many reasons entirely down to self-interest why we want to be getting 5-7 points in Europe every season. Yes it also helps all other Scottish teams, but not as much as it helps us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 26 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: It's 5.0 and 2.0, not 5,000 and 2,000, but yes. And aside from bragging rights the order isn't that important, but for our own interest we're being propped up by the 7.2 national average when we go to Europe. If we get above that, we start getting the prospect of better seeding in future years. Many reasons entirely down to self-interest why we want to be getting 5-7 points in Europe every season. Yes it also helps all other Scottish teams, but not as much as it helps us. 👍🏻 why the hell 3 decimal places. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: 👍🏻 why the hell 3 decimal places. 🤣 Do not question the ways of UEFA. That way only lies madness and woe. 😱 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 The update. As well as us 5th place in league qualifies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB-14 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Current projected pots for UECL. Always nice to look at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo dans les Pyrenees Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 4 minutes ago, DB-14 said: Current projected pots for UECL. Always nice to look at. Glamour group: Marseille Newcastle Besiktas Brann Jagiellonia Realistic do well group Slovan Bratislava Royal Antwerp HJK Helsinki Banja Luka Reykjavik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Frank Sidebottom Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 minute ago, Jambo dans les Pyrenees said: Glamour group: Marseille Newcastle Besiktas Brann Jagiellonia Realistic do well group Slovan Bratislava Royal Antwerp HJK Helsinki Banja Luka Reykjavik Newcastle away would be a bit of a let down I think in terms of a trip. I’m looking for sunshine pints on the continent and Valencia would tick that box. Augsburg would also be tremendous for Bavarian lager. Would also swap Brann for Brondby and Bestikas for Vienna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Just now, Frank Sidebottom said: Newcastle away would be a bit of a let down I think in terms of a trip. I’m looking for sunshine pints on the continent and Valencia would tick that box. Augsburg would also be tremendous for Bavarian lager. Would also swap Brann for Brondby and Bestikas for Vienna Bring it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveandal Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 15 minutes ago, DB-14 said: Current projected pots for UECL. Always nice to look at. Away in Minsk in December.... that's for the hard-core on many levels. It's a massive if... but staying in the 4th pot would really help us I'm terms of potential qualifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelosom Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, Frank Sidebottom said: Newcastle away would be a bit of a let down I think in terms of a trip. I’m looking for sunshine pints on the continent and Valencia would tick that box. Augsburg would also be tremendous for Bavarian lager. Would also swap Brann for Brondby and Bestikas for Vienna This is exactly where I’m at, beer, sun, football and hopefully take in a great city. Another like Florence will do me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicante jambo Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said: The update. As well as us 5th place in league qualifies. 5 million plus ya fecker bring it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jambo dans les Pyrenees said: Glamour group: Marseille Newcastle Besiktas Brann Jagiellonia Realistic do well group Slovan Bratislava Royal Antwerp HJK Helsinki Banja Luka Reykjavik There are no groups. We get an opponent from all 6 pots and all 36 teams occupy one 36 team table. Edited April 20 by Victorian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Surprisingly modest pool of 36. If we finish in the top 24 of 36 then we progress to knock-out stage. We can absolutely do that from those teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south morocco Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 13 minutes ago, Victorian said: There are no groups. We get an opponent from all 6 pots and all 36 teams occupy one 36 team table. Do we only play an opponent once and not home and away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 minute ago, south morocco said: Do we only play an opponent once and not home and away? Yes. 3 home, 3 away. 1 from each pot, including the one we're in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south morocco Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 2 minutes ago, Victorian said: Yes. 3 home, 3 away. 1 from each pot, including the one we're in. Cheers. Pretty random then. Wonder how home and away fixtures are drawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionaHmfc Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Aiming higher if we win the playoff leg here’s the projected Europa league pots as they stand too. Some cracking trips and teams we could face in either competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 minute ago, south morocco said: Cheers. Pretty random then. Wonder how home and away fixtures are drawn. I think there is methodology to it. Probably based on rankings / coefficient points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, Jambo dans les Pyrenees said: Glamour group: Marseille Newcastle Besiktas Brann Jagiellonia Realistic do well group Slovan Bratislava Royal Antwerp HJK Helsinki Banja Luka Reykjavik Bratislava would be a great destination......lovely bear on the menu! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 2 hours ago, Frank Sidebottom said: Newcastle away would be a bit of a let down I think in terms of a trip. I’m looking for sunshine pints on the continent and Valencia would tick that box. Augsburg would also be tremendous for Bavarian lager. Would also swap Brann for Brondby and Bestikas for Vienna I want sunny sunshine too. Fek going to the rain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameronstheman Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 So thats us in Europe bar the shouting,will killie have to win all there games and we have to lose all our games for the worst case scenario or are we through right now ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 13 minutes ago, Cameronstheman said: So thats us in Europe bar the shouting,will killie have to win all there games and we have to lose all our games for the worst case scenario or are we through right now ?? Beat Kilmarnock next week and it's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 39 minutes ago, 1971fozzy said: I want sunny sunshine too. Fek going to the rain Yip, I enjoyed the trips to London and Liverpool but it didn't really feel like Europe. It needs shorts and cafe culture 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 37 minutes ago, Cameronstheman said: So thats us in Europe bar the shouting,will killie have to win all there games and we have to lose all our games for the worst case scenario or are we through right now ?? 11 points ahead with 15 left to play for. One win should realistically do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 4 minutes ago, Bender said: 11 points ahead with 15 left to play for. One win should realistically do it. Can’t see Killie winning four games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH11 2NL Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Great couple of seasons. Europe 3 times on the trot, 3rd, 4th, 3rd. And with a few smart signings who'd bet against us again next season 🇱🇻🇱🇻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hogfather Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 3 hours ago, DB-14 said: Current projected pots for UECL. Always nice to look at. Some of those potential away days would be unbelievable. Marseille, Augsburg and Vienna would be ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeke1874 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 European qualification should really be the absolute minimum for our club. As much as it's great that we've qualified for the 3rd year in a row, it really highlights how much we've underperformed over the years, that it's the first time we achieved this. Every year we play in Europe we slowly chip away at enhancing our standing and reputation. Success builds success and hopefully this is the start of us cementing our place as a club that has euro football every season, like the old firm do. It's also great for the supporters 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruebenstine Goldberg Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Looking at all those other clubs there’s only one majestic club badge. The Heart of Midlothian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rory78 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 5 hours ago, Jambo dans les Pyrenees said: Glamour group: Marseille Newcastle Besiktas Brann Jagiellonia Realistic do well group Slovan Bratislava Royal Antwerp HJK Helsinki Banja Luka Reykjavik I'd suggest this is the first time ever in Jagiellonias history they've been described as a glamour tie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 3 hours ago, Victorian said: There are no groups. We get an opponent from all 6 pots and all 36 teams occupy one 36 team table. Do the opponents we get drawn against also play against each other ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboross Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 LASK Antwerp Helsinki The New Saints Batumi Reykjavik Would give us some very winnable fixtures, an excellent chance of progressing and some interesting places to visit for our three away days (although I'd rather avoid an away trip to TNS!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ministryofdad Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 No one will 100% know exactly until it's all said and done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboross Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 3 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Do the opponents we get drawn against also play against each other ? Nah, everyone gets their own set of fixtures with one team from each pot including their own. So, for example, we could draw TNS from our pot and LASK could draw Marseille from theirs but LASK couldn't play both us and TNS as that would be two teams from Pot 4 and we couldn't play both LASK and Marseille as that's two from Pot 1. It seems a faff but it's pretty simple when you get the old 'group stage' concept out your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 23 minutes ago, Jamboross said: Nah, everyone gets their own set of fixtures with one team from each pot including their own. So, for example, we could draw TNS from our pot and LASK could draw Marseille from theirs but LASK couldn't play both us and TNS as that would be two teams from Pot 4 and we couldn't play both LASK and Marseille as that's two from Pot 1. It seems a faff but it's pretty simple when you get the old 'group stage' concept out your head. Sounds a very complex draw to ensure everyone has just one team from each pot but I’m sure I’ll get my head round it eventually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texaco Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 4 hours ago, zeke1874 said: European qualification should really be the absolute minimum for our club. As much as it's great that we've qualified for the 3rd year in a row, it really highlights how much we've underperformed over the years, that it's the first time we achieved this. Every year we play in Europe we slowly chip away at enhancing our standing and reputation. Success builds success and hopefully this is the start of us cementing our place as a club that has euro football every season, like the old firm do. It's also great for the supporters 🙂 Agree. But it becomes really annoying that winning the Scottish Cup gets you the more lucrative third euro spot. Means in reality we have to win the cup or hope one of the OF does. Of course splitting the OF or winning the league would solve everything..if only.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENE Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 18 minutes ago, Texaco said: Agree. But it becomes really annoying that winning the Scottish Cup gets you the more lucrative third euro spot. Means in reality we have to win the cup or hope one of the OF does. Of course splitting the OF or winning the league would solve everything..if only.. Agree. If some team, either us or any other team, is consistently third for 3/4 years and some team other than the RanTic win the Cup, the team finishing third will miss out on Euro big money. It's totally unfair that a team winning five games gets into a bigger Euro tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 8 hours ago, Daveandal said: Away in Minsk in December.... that's for the hard-core on many levels. It's a massive if... but staying in the 4th pot would really help us I'm terms of potential qualifying. If we do, hope it's Portugal rather another Greek team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo dans les Pyrenees Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 8 hours ago, rory78 said: I'd suggest this is the first time ever in Jagiellonias history they've been described as a glamour tie Glamour does admittedly get a bit Miss West Lothian in pot 6… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 We're loaded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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