UEFA 25/26 season

[soonbe110]

Do we need Victoria Plizen to lose both legs against Fiorentina to safeguard automatic group stage football for Scottish cup winners in 2025/26 Conf league? 

[CaptainShanks]

No. That's only for the Champions League spot (top 10). The spot for minimum group stages Conference League is confirmed for next season (top 12). 

[Mikey1874]

6 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Do we need Victoria Plizen to lose both legs against Fiorentina to safeguard automatic group stage football for Scottish cup winners in 2025/26 Conf league? 

 

No.

 

The issue of this affects next season's Champions League as explained above. 

 

We'll still have the same current 3rd place/ Scottish Cup next season for 2025/26.

 

It's 2026/27 that is the issue with us going back to 16th place from start of next season.  Basically it's a 2 year lag for that. 

Edited April 11 by Mikey1874

[jamboinglasgow]

3 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

No.

 

The issue of this affects next season's Champions League as explained above. 

 

We'll still have the same current 3rd place/ Scottish Cup next season for 2025/26.

 

It's 2026/27 that is the issue with us going back to 16th place from start of next season.  Basically it's a 2 year lag for that. 

 

Yeah seen that 2019 was our highest co-efficent points in those years with 9.750. So Scottish clubs really require a good season in Europe next season to maintain the 12th slot (if we get the just a little more than this seasons 6.4 then based on others as a benchmark we should get 12th.)

 

I would also argue that having both Old Firm in the Champions league group stage is a problem for the Scottish co-efficent. As they are no where near good enough to get the required points (though I dont know if the new format will change that.) So its better for Scottish football if old of the Old firm is in the Champions league group stage and the other is the Europa League.

 

Though based on the last 5 years, Celtic need to learn a lot from Rangers on how to approach European football because Rangers seem to adapt better on the style you need to play, Celtic seem to think you just play the same way as normal.

[Lovecraft]

Sadly, we want the Czechs to win.

 

 

[soonbe110]

54 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

No.

 

The issue of this affects next season's Champions League as explained above. 

 

We'll still have the same current 3rd place/ Scottish Cup next season for 2025/26.

 

It's 2026/27 that is the issue with us going back to 16th place from start of next season.  Basically it's a 2 year lag for that. 

👍thanks

[soonbe110]

56 minutes ago, CaptainShanks said:

No. That's only for the Champions League spot (top 10). The spot for minimum group stages Conference League is confirmed for next season (top 12). 

👍

[ceefax]

43 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Do we need Victoria Plizen to lose both legs against Fiorentina to safeguard automatic group stage football for Scottish cup winners in 2025/26 Conf league? 

🎩 Plzen🇨🇿 draw Fiorentina 🇮🇹 - a single draw in either leg and Czech Republic finish 10th and Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 finish 11th and lose the automatic Champions League place for our Champions next season

[Footballfirst]

FT 0-0 Scotland lose their automatic CL spot from 25/26

[johnking123]

Very, very hard for old firm to get 30-40 million now. They will or should get more points in Europa 

[alicante jambo]

11 minutes ago, johnking123 said:

Very, very hard for old firm to get 30-40 million now. They will or should get more points in Europa 

Thats good is it not?

[johnking123]

17 minutes ago, alicante jambo said:

Thats good is it not?

It could be for a season or two. But we don't want to keep dropping in rankings.

[Jamboross]

If Rangers win the league next season it's highly likely they'll still qualify automatically (assuming the winner of the CL next season qualifies for 25/26 through their leauge) but if it's Celtic then they go into a playoff against the Champions of a league outwith the top ten nations, so one they'd have a good shot at winning. 

 

No matter what competition they're in we need them to both be picking up results on the regular or we can most likely kiss goodbye to our own plans for regular league stage adventures and any chance of pulling away from the pack financially. 

[davemclaren]

6 minutes ago, Jamboross said:

If Rangers win the league next season it's highly likely they'll still qualify automatically (assuming the winner of the CL next season qualifies for 25/26 through their leauge) but if it's Celtic then they go into a playoff against the Champions of a league outwith the top ten nations, so one they'd have a good shot at winning. 

 

No matter what competition they're in we need them to both be picking up results on the regular or we can most likely kiss goodbye to our own plans for regular league stage adventures and any chance of pulling away from the pack financially. 

We, and other teams, also need to start picking up better results. 

[Jamboross]

11 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

We, and other teams, also need to start picking up better results. 

 

Of course but, Birkirkara aside, I don't think we generally do too badly. We lose to who we should lose to and beat who we should beat, the odd wee bonus upset would be nice but we do contribute and Aberdeen are usually much the same.  It's your Hibs (although credit where it's due getting past Luzern was decent), St Johnstone's, Killie's etc that need to start contributing a bit more rather than meekly falling at the first qualifying hurdle. 

[jamboinglasgow]

51 minutes ago, johnking123 said:

It could be for a season or two. But we don't want to keep dropping in rankings.

 

Its better for the Old Firm to be in the Europa League as they are more likely to do well in it, which brings up the co-efficient. Which keeps group stages available for other clubs. If we can also start getting results in Europe then it will also improve it.

 

But obviously there is the issue, Old Firm pick up points in Europa League, go up rankings, get automatic space in CL, do badly, points go down and ranking goes down again.

[Daveandal]

For a season it's probably good to have them both in the Europa League picking up more coefficient points. A step back to take a step forward. But if they both have shockers it could see Scotland slipping down just at the competitions open up.

 

As long as we keep qualifying for Europe it should be in our own hands though. No reason we shouldn't be looking to get through qualifying rounds, draw depending.

[Cade]

Anything that makes it harder for the Old Firm to make money is a good thing.

[FarmerTweedy]

7 hours ago, Lovecraft said:

Sadly, we want the Czechs to win.

 

 

Why on earth would we want the Czechs to win?

[FarmerTweedy]

4 hours ago, Jamboross said:

If Rangers win the league next season it's highly likely they'll still qualify automatically (assuming the winner of the CL next season qualifies for 25/26 through their leauge) but if it's Celtic then they go into a playoff against the Champions of a league outwith the top ten nations, so one they'd have a good shot at winning. 

 

No matter what competition they're in we need them to both be picking up results on the regular or we can most likely kiss goodbye to our own plans for regular league stage adventures and any chance of pulling away from the pack financially. 

Why would Rangers get in automatically but celtic only go into qualifying rounds?

[Jamboross]

23 minutes ago, FarmerTweedy said:

Why would Rangers get in automatically but celtic only go into qualifying rounds?

 

There is a CL slot kept back for the previous seasons CL winner just incase they don't qualify through their league. 99% of the time they do so that slot then goes to the league champion with the highest club coeffecient that hasn't automatically qualified, because of their run to the final and a few other half decent showings over the last few years Rangers actually have quite a high club coefficient so it's pretty likely to be them unless they have a monumental **** up ala the Progres Niederkorn season. Celtic are some ways down the list so it wouldn't apply to them. 

Edited April 12 by Jamboross

[fabienleclerq]

1 hour ago, Cade said:

Anything that makes it harder for the Old Firm to make money is a good thing.

Even if that then makes it harder for us to make money? We ain't getting near them financially, best of the rest consistently is our target.

[Sydney]

Love us in European football. 

 

 Lokomotiv Leizig 5-1, Dukla Prague 3-2, Bayern Munich 1-0, Bologna 3-1, Slavia Prague 4-2, Atletico Madrid 2-1, Stuttgart 3-2, Bordeaux 1-0, Braga 3-1, Basel 2-1, Liverpool 1-1, Rosenberg 3-1.

[Ricardo Quaresma]

OF usually score FA practically in CL; Scotland needs them in the bottom 2 comps for a few seasons

 

Shame 1 of them still makes CL GS in September as there's 10 group games now, stretching into the new year

 

Might get a decent points haul though? 🤔

 

Downside is there's 4 more games for prize / gate money, a lot more than before

 

Still glad Viktoria got the point they needed

 

FTOF and their CL faceplants

 

-

Edited April 12 by Ricardo Quaresma

[Mikey1874]

Grim. Last 5 years coefficient points.

 

 

Edited April 12 by Mikey1874

[Shaggy2]

The ONLY good thing about RanTic in the CL is the likelihood they’ll get pumped on a regular basis. 
If we’re honest, the only good thing about us in Europe/the groups is the money and of course, the trips. The football is rotten 90% of the time but there’s been some exceptional nights in the build up. 😀
I was quite satisfied this season with our two knockout games. A memorable second leg win before being ko’d by a good side after a decent home performance.

Next season we’ll likely play 10 games for admittedly very good money. Good chance that after 3 of the 8 group games we’ll just be fulfilling fixtures and being distracted.

It’s Hobson’s Choice. It’s a pain in the arse designed to stop the bigger teams failing rather than the wee teams (like us) succeeding, but we can’t afford not to be in it, even more so if Aberdeen or Hibs were the sides to benefit from that money.

Can see us treating the LC like the Petrofac and chucking our first game next season. 

[Fozzyonthefence]

1 minute ago, Shaggy2 said:

The ONLY good thing about RanTic in the CL is the likelihood they’ll get pumped on a regular basis. 
If we’re honest, the only good thing about us in Europe/the groups is the money and of course, the trips. The football is rotten 90% of the time but there’s been some exceptional nights in the build up. 😀
I was quite satisfied this season with our two knockout games. A memorable second leg win before being ko’d by a good side after a decent home performance.

Next season we’ll likely play 10 games for admittedly very good money. Good chance that after 3 of the 8 group games we’ll just be fulfilling fixtures and being distracted.

It’s Hobson’s Choice. It’s a pain in the arse designed to stop the bigger teams failing rather than the wee teams (like us) succeeding, but we can’t afford not to be in it, even more so if Aberdeen or Hibs were the sides to benefit from that money.

Can see us treating the LC like the Petrofac and chucking our first game next season. 

Rosenberg at Tynie was best game of the season and great atmosphere (but why can’t Devlin play like that more often?!).

 

Let’s be honest PAOK was hugely disappointing.  Home game wasn’t too good, away game was awful.  Let’s not forget this was a team that a hopeless Aberdeen team gave two very good games and were minutes away from taking 4 points from.  The 4 performances against Fiorentina and Istanbul the previous season were awful as well.  We can’t expect to get results in these games but surely it’s not too much to expect to be able to compete / be competitive (like the sheep were this season).

 

Pretty much agree with what you’re saying (except I’m pretty sure it’s only 6 games in Conference group stages but all against different teams just the once).

[Ricardo Quaresma]

12 minutes ago, Shaggy2 said:

The ONLY good thing about RanTic in the CL is the likelihood they’ll get pumped on a regular basis. 
If we’re honest, the only good thing about us in Europe/the groups is the money and of course, the trips. The football is rotten 90% of the time but there’s been some exceptional nights in the build up. 😀
I was quite satisfied this season with our two knockout games. A memorable second leg win before being ko’d by a good side after a decent home performance.

Next season we’ll likely play 10 games for admittedly very good money. Good chance that after 3 of the 8 group games we’ll just be fulfilling fixtures and being distracted.

It’s Hobson’s Choice. It’s a pain in the arse designed to stop the bigger teams failing rather than the wee teams (like us) succeeding, but we can’t afford not to be in it, even more so if Aberdeen or Hibs were the sides to benefit from that money.

Can see us treating the LC like the Petrofac and chucking our first game next season. 

 

10 games? You think we'll Quality for EL?

[Fozzyonthefence]

6 hours ago, Sydney said:

Love us in European football. 

 

 Lokomotiv Leizig 5-1, Dukla Prague 3-2, Bayern Munich 1-0, Bologna 3-1, Slavia Prague 4-2, Atletico Madrid 2-1, Stuttgart 3-2, Bordeaux 1-0, Braga 3-1, Basel 2-1, Liverpool 1-1, Rosenberg 3-1.

Some great nights in there but …….. you’ve listed 12 ties there and we lost 7 of them!  Always been a frustration of mine that we’ve never had a massive result over 2 legs against one of the better European teams especially seeing what Dundee Utd and Aberdeen achieved in the 80’s.  Can’t happen now unfortunately and it’s probably the main reason I’ve lost a lot of interest in European football.  The income has become more important than the football which is shite. 

Edited April 12 by Fozzyonthefence

[Shaggy2]

4 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

Rosenberg at Tynie was best game of the season and great atmosphere (but why can’t Devlin play like that more often?!).

 

Let’s be honest PAOK was hugely disappointing.  Home game wasn’t too good, away game was awful.  Let’s not forget this was a team that a hopeless Aberdeen team gave two very good games and were minutes away from taking 4 points from.  The 4 performances against Fiorentina and Istanbul the previous season were awful as well.  We can’t expect to get results in these games but surely it’s not too much to expect to be able to compete / be competitive (like the sheep were this season).

 

Pretty much agree with what you’re saying (except I’m pretty sure it’s only 6 games in Conference group stages but all against different teams just the once).

Aberdeen were a strange one. Ko’d by IKEA in the Europa League Qualifier and did better in games they were not expected to and were horrendous in games they might have expected to win. More or less the opposite of us. 
Think they may have learned tactically from us for the PAOK games. Both times they more or less played 8 or 9 behind the ball for much of the games. I don’t think we did. 

[Shaggy2]

4 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said:

 

10 games? You think well Quality for EL?

The opportunity will (probably) be there for us. Should have said “up to” 10 games. 

Though I must confess I used likely 10 games as I thought the ECL had made similar changes to the Europa League. My bad. 

[Ricardo Quaresma]

4 minutes ago, Shaggy2 said:

The opportunity will (probably) be there for us. Should have said “up to” 10 games. 

Though I must confess I used likely 10 games as I thought the ECL had made similar changes to the Europa League. My bad. 

 

NP, bud 👍

 

Yes, 10 games in CL, too

[Lovecraft]

9 hours ago, FarmerTweedy said:

Why on earth would we want the Czechs to win?

So one of the OF miss out on automatic CL group qualification.

 

 

[Japan Jambo]

17 hours ago, CaptainShanks said:

No. That's only for the Champions League spot (top 10). The spot for minimum group stages Conference League is confirmed for next season (top 12). 

 

so is the best thing for Scottish football as a whole is that the CL spot is not confirmed this forcing one of the uglies into a competition more appropriate to their level? (and thus giving them an opportunity to pick up points in the EL, rather than taking doing in the CL) 

[XB52]

It's better for us all that we have lost the automatic CL place. Less money for the OF but more chance of coefficient points. Having said that, we could be down to below 20th in a season so no idea what that will do for euro places. Currently we will start in 16th place next season (we as in Scotland)

[Ricardo Quaresma]

15 minutes ago, XB52 said:

It's better for us all that we have lost the automatic CL place. Less money for the OF but more chance of coefficient points. Having said that, we could be down to below 20th in a season so no idea what that will do for euro places. Currently we will start in 16th place next season (we as in Scotland)

 

A lot of the nations around us will have 5 clubs instead of 4 to divide their points next Season; that's got to help a bit

[FionaHmfc]

2 hours ago, Fozzyonthefence said:

Rosenberg at Tynie was best game of the season and great atmosphere (but why can’t Devlin play like that more often?!).

 

Let’s be honest PAOK was hugely disappointing.  Home game wasn’t too good, away game was awful.  Let’s not forget this was a team that a hopeless Aberdeen team gave two very good games and were minutes away from taking 4 points from.  The 4 performances against Fiorentina and Istanbul the previous season were awful as well.  We can’t expect to get results in these games but surely it’s not too much to expect to be able to compete / be competitive (like the sheep were this season).

 

Pretty much agree with what you’re saying (except I’m pretty sure it’s only 6 games in Conference group stages but all against different teams just the once).

Thing is though Aberdeen played PAOK at a time where their group qualification was confirmed. Both teams essentially had nothing to play for as Aberdeen were out aswell. Plus we played them in 40 degree August heat (as I could testify from the horrific sunburn I got) 😞 Aberdeen played in temperatures that were half that just before Christmas. We got absolutely slated for that performance in Greece, and yes it wasn’t good enough, but given the circumstances of that game and PAOK needing the win to qualify I don’t think anyone outside the old firm would have got a result there. And probably the old firm would have really struggled too. PAOK are a good team as evidenced by their European results and their standing in their domestic league too. 

[Mikey1874]

38 minutes ago, XB52 said:

It's better for us all that we have lost the automatic CL place. Less money for the OF but more chance of coefficient points. Having said that, we could be down to below 20th in a season so no idea what that will do for euro places. Currently we will start in 16th place next season (we as in Scotland)

 

It's good news because its 2 more games to gain points. 

[CaptainShanks]

2 hours ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

so is the best thing for Scottish football as a whole is that the CL spot is not confirmed this forcing one of the uglies into a competition more appropriate to their level? (and thus giving them an opportunity to pick up points in the EL, rather than taking doing in the CL) 

I would say so. On the evidence of the last two seasons Celtic ending up in the Champions League group stages has seen them finish 4th both times and be eliminated from Europe completely thus not picking up many points. 

 

Having said that I read that if Rangers win the league, due to their club seeding they would have a better chance of reaching the Champions League group stages than Celtic via the qualifiers.The same fate would likely befall Rangers if they make the group stages as the last time they were in it they lost every game. 

 

Another factor in the decline in our scoring is an average score is taken from all the teams competing in Europe so when we have 5 as opposed to 4 teams with two of those going to go out after a round or two of the qualifiers it is has a knock on negative impact.

[Japan Jambo]

8 minutes ago, CaptainShanks said:

I would say so. On the evidence of the last two seasons Celtic ending up in the Champions League group stages has seen them finish 4th both times and be eliminated from Europe completely thus not picking up many points. 

 

Having said that I read that if Rangers win the league, due to their club seeding they would have a better chance of reaching the Champions League group stages than Celtic via the qualifiers.The same fate would likely befall Rangers if they make the group stages as the last time they were in it they lost every game. 

 

Another factor in the decline in our scoring is an average score is taken from all the teams competing in Europe so when we have 5 as opposed to 4 teams with two of those going to go out after a round or two of the qualifiers it is has a knock on negative impact.

 

It's fair to say we need to step up a bit too... hopefully we can build on our recent experience.

[Boozyuzi]

We need to qualify for Europe every season to get our co-efficiant up and give us a better chance.  We are currently below the Scottish minimum of 7.210 (we have 6.500), if we at least match this season then we will move to 9.000 and should climb approx 30 places in the seedings.

 

5 years of qualifying should give us around 13 to 15 points and we will be 70/80 places higher in the seedings.

 

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/trank2024.html

Edited April 12 by Boozyuzi

[boag1874]

1 hour ago, FionaHmfc said:

Thing is though Aberdeen played PAOK at a time where their group qualification was confirmed. Both teams essentially had nothing to play for as Aberdeen were out aswell. Plus we played them in 40 degree August heat (as I could testify from the horrific sunburn I got) 😞 Aberdeen played in temperatures that were half that just before Christmas. We got absolutely slated for that performance in Greece, and yes it wasn’t good enough, but given the circumstances of that game and PAOK needing the win to qualify I don’t think anyone outside the old firm would have got a result there. And probably the old firm would have really struggled too. PAOK are a good team as evidenced by their European results and their standing in their domestic league too. 

I would agree with you on the away game v PAOK, home game we shot ourselves in the foot, that was a missed opportunity much like Zurich last season although in different ways (Zurich was more about chances missed, PAOK was more about our own lapses in concentration).

 

Tbh though I think Aberdeen were just better equipped for playing these teams than us, they assembled a team to play counter attacking football and it shows in their games v the OF & in Europe. Trouble is that only works in big games like that, most of the time they've struggled to perform when they've been the favourites.