grumpyespana Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 I thought yesterday that we would have brought on Tagawa on for the last twenty minutes to use his pace against saints tiring defenders, it must mean reading between the lines that he is not in our plans for next season and that he will be away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Looks like it, this seasons Kio 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerjambo Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 It's disappointing tbf. I thought he showed glimpses of potential in his earlier cameos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threedoorsdown Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 I actually see signings like Kip and Tagawa as a sign of how far we have came in recruitment. I think it’s fair to say both of these signings haven’t quite worked. However, the difference is I think we can all see they aren’t completely hopeless, it just hasn’t worked. As a result, we are seeing interest in our ‘deadwood’ and may even be able to turn small profits. Compare this to yesteryear when we were stuck with guys like Damour that we couldn’t get rid of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Time's up ⏰️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Got to feel a bit sorry for him not to get on yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Could be that he either cannot settle into the country or the style of play or a bit of both. Naisy might be playing him because a deal has already been done and we do not want the player injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 That last 20 minutes was crying out for a fully fit Oda. I don't think it would have been a game for Tagawa anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts00 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Agreed, looks pretty much over for Tagawa. I was actually more surprised Oda didn’t come on. Oda might suffer from Barrie McKay being first off the bench now. While it’s great having McKay back, I do like Oda getting 25 mins at the end of matches with his blistering pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaps Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Yesterday showed how much Naismith rates him. Bringing Scott Fraser on instead to stick up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Can't be showing anything in training either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 46 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said: Could be that he either cannot settle into the country or the style of play or a bit of both. Naisy might be playing him because a deal has already been done and we do not want the player injured. Why have him on the bench then? Edited April 7 by wavydavy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 minute ago, wavydavy said: Why have him on the bench then? Numbers? Keep him involved? Just in case of emergency? No idea but he is not getting on at all so all a bit of a conundrum. Perhaps we are keeping him fit, and on a tight leash to spring him in the semi😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 He’s very obviously not going to get an opportunity. Hopefully he can move on which I think would be best for all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordons left glove Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 He'll be off to Japan in the summer. Feel sorry for the guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 2 minutes ago, Gordons left glove said: He'll be off to Japan in the summer. Feel sorry for the guy To a degree. He’s got decent pedigree and experience in some decent leagues. when he’s had opportunities he’s not taken them. Scottish football should have been a scoosh for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordons left glove Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 32 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: To a degree. He’s got decent pedigree and experience in some decent leagues. when he’s had opportunities he’s not taken them. Scottish football should have been a scoosh for him Fair. Failure to take chances against teams like spartans will get you nowhere at this level. I get that his style is playing on the shoulder and trying to get in behind defences but not every team is going to be so open as say Partick thistle where he did score. Need to adapt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Some signings just don't work out. Hopefully we can recoup some fee for him like we did Kio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 If he was any use he would be playing, just not happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJ Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 I think our substitutions had to be governed by St Mirren's changes as they made 4 attacking changes, largely leaving Gogic v Vargas at the back. We'd already switched to three at the back and Tagawa hasn't shown yet he can hold up the ball as an only forward. The only change to involve him would have to have been for Vargas which would have been very unfair on Vargas, and would just not have worked. Fraser came on for Forrest to help shore up the midfield. He did try to support Vargas. I have my doubts on Tagawa but it's more likely he'll be involved against Livy. Once third is confirmed he should get a couple of games too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busbyfth Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 minute ago, JTJ said: I think our substitutions had to be governed by St Mirren's changes as they made 4 attacking changes, largely leaving Gogic v Vargas at the back. We'd already switched to three at the back and Tagawa hasn't shown yet he can hold up the ball as an only forward. The only change to involve him would have to have been for Vargas which would have been very unfair on Vargas, and would just not have worked. Fraser came on for Forrest to help shore up the midfield. He did try to support Vargas. I have my doubts on Tagawa but it's more likely he'll be involved against Livy. Once third is confirmed he should get a couple of games too. re Vargas - note his chest control and first touch, when we got the penalty.....he's shown that before - potentially great signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CostaJambo Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Could've been so different if he had scored that chance when he had just come on for his debut against St. Johnstone away and gotten off to a flyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 We were trying to keep it tight and Vargas was playing very well. Other chances to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Gordons left glove said: Fair. Failure to take chances against teams like spartans will get you nowhere at this level. I get that his style is playing on the shoulder and trying to get in behind defences but not every team is going to be so open as say Partick thistle where he did score. Need to adapt. Yup. The reality is we dominate possession most weeks and teams sit in and stay compact. There simply isn’t a lot of room to play on the shoulder. He needs to offer more than that. I hate to compare but look at Kyogo. Adapted his game to play here Edited April 7 by kingantti1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Gordons left glove said: He'll be off to Japan in the summer. Feel sorry for the guy Or maybe back to Portugal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Think he might be a player for next season, given Naismiths comments a couple of months back. Though suspect it's more likely to do with him not settling in Scotland,and he'll be away when the window reopens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex member of the SaS Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Tagawa's name should be the first on the team sheet. But I doubt Bonnyrigg rose can afford him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertDawg Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, JTJ said: I think our substitutions had to be governed by St Mirren's changes as they made 4 attacking changes, largely leaving Gogic v Vargas at the back. We'd already switched to three at the back and Tagawa hasn't shown yet he can hold up the ball as an only forward. The only change to involve him would have to have been for Vargas which would have been very unfair on Vargas, and would just not have worked. Fraser came on for Forrest to help shore up the midfield. He did try to support Vargas. I have my doubts on Tagawa but it's more likely he'll be involved against Livy. Once third is confirmed he should get a couple of games too. Exactly how I saw the Fraser sub. In the dreadful windy conditions, managing the game out to a 2-1 was the objective. If we had been down 1-2 Tagawa might have been preferred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Klack Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Whilst he’s clearly been a big disappointment so far I’d be very surprised to see him emptied in the summer. Suspect he’ll be given pre-season and included in the squad for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors1874 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Defo a player there and I think he will come good next season. Wouldn't be the first player to have a slow start and become a mainstay in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19/05/2012 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 I would start him against Livi next week got to start giving him and Tait minutes between now and the end of the season to see what they are like. Would also give a young right back a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 His confidence must be absolute rock bottom. Feel for the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam11 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 The guy has never really had a proper chance imo. Yes he’s had a couple moments (big chance against Celtic recently comes to mind) but he’s never going to be in ahead of Shanks. Wonder if we can get a proper look at him post split when 3rd is confirmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polonia Gorgie Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 9 minutes ago, liam11 said: The guy has never really had a proper chance imo. Yes he’s had a couple moments (big chance against Celtic recently comes to mind) but he’s never going to be in ahead of Shanks. Wonder if we can get a proper look at him post split when 3rd is confirmed Playing him post split is a good shout, can play the best opponents in the league with not as much pressure. Might be worth while promoting a right back for the remainder of the season too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS86 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 2 hours ago, Polonia Gorgie said: Might be worth while promoting a right back for the remainder of the season too. Or giving Natty a run of games. He was starting to perform much better earlier in the season after a few consecutive games, which shows he is capable. But hasn't recaptured that form since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 My Guy haven't given up on him yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Off to Portugal again in the summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 3 hours ago, 19/05/2012 said: I would start him against Livi next week got to start giving him and Tait minutes between now and the end of the season to see what they are like. Would also give a young right back a chance Tagaw's strength is supposed to be running the channels and getting in behind. Not much chance v Livi. Ten men on the edge of their box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxfee Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 I wonder who wanted him signed? Never really been a hearts type player. Naisy obviously doesn’t rate him so probably best if he goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 8 hours ago, Threedoorsdown said: I actually see signings like Kip and Tagawa as a sign of how far we have came in recruitment. I think it’s fair to say both of these signings haven’t quite worked. However, the difference is I think we can all see they aren’t completely hopeless, it just hasn’t worked. As a result, we are seeing interest in our ‘deadwood’ and may even be able to turn small profits. Compare this to yesteryear when we were stuck with guys like Damour that we couldn’t get rid of. Very good points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee647 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Tagawa always seems to have a problem with concentration during matches, games constantly pass him by, will be gone as soon as we get someone to take him off our hands, appears to be totally unsuited to Scottish football, he’s been given plenty chances and done absolutely nothing to merit sticking with him. People have already written off Scott Fraser but I’d argue he has more chance of being a Hearts player than Tagawa, and Fraser has little to no chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 9 hours ago, Threedoorsdown said: I actually see signings like Kip and Tagawa as a sign of how far we have came in recruitment. I think it’s fair to say both of these signings haven’t quite worked. However, the difference is I think we can all see they aren’t completely hopeless, it just hasn’t worked. As a result, we are seeing interest in our ‘deadwood’ and may even be able to turn small profits. Compare this to yesteryear when we were stuck with guys like Damour that we couldn’t get rid of. Not a very good comparison. We had Damour during the covid period with low/no gate money as did other clubs and there was not much money sloshing about anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threedoorsdown Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 8 minutes ago, JamboAl said: Not a very good comparison. We had Damour during the covid period with low/no gate money as did other clubs and there was not much money sloshing about anywhere. We literally couldn’t give him away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaps Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, johnking123 said: Off to Portugal again in the summer Loan or permanent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) Can’t see him staying at all. Have to trust the manager, after all we got a win which takes our away wins tally to a record number for 32 years, but it was odd given we only have two fit strikers that when one was ill the other didn’t start. And then didn’t even get used as one of the 5 subs. Obviously we haven’t seen him in training, but his career to date shows the level we play at shouldn’t be beneath him. Guys from the English Conference leagues can thrive in the Scottish Premiership, so I’m certain a guy that’s not just played for Japan but also in the Portuguese top flight and scored against the likes of Sporting and Porto is of good enough pedigree. So I’m not sure if it’s down to culture adjustment, language or says more about how we play or even more about the style of our league, I dunno. Just wish we could have a chance to judge for ourselves. Oda barely got a chance under Neilson and looked destined to be a flop, but some of us could see glimpses to know he should be given a run. Neilson got sacked and then Oda went on to be one of our better performers as the season ended. Guy has had 554 minutes of football for us. That’s the equivalent of just over 6 games. He’s never had a full 90 minutes. There’s been 42 games across all competitions so far for us this season, he’s missed 8 through injury, 1 game he hadn’t signed in time for and 1 where he just wasn’t picked for the squad. Out of the other 32 he’s been on the bench and not come on 16 times. Out of the 16 he has been on the pitch, he’s only started 4 of them. The most time he’s had in one game is 68 minutes in the first game against Kilmarnock at Tynecastle which finished 0-0. Least amount of time he’s had on the pitch is the last 3 minutes against PAOK at home. Average game time for his 16 games played is under 35 minutes. His 4 starts: - Kilmarnock (H) - 0-0 (68 mins) - Rangers (H) - 0-1 (65 mins) - Ross County (H) - 2-2 (45 mins) - Spartans (A) - 2-1 (59 mins) Since he’s a player that can get in behind high lines and run channels, I can’t see home games against Killie and County being those sorts of games. Spartans away most definitely wasn’t. Rangers at home makes sense, but it’s Rangers at the end of the day. I just don’t really see him as been given as much as a shot as you’d think he’d have. I know Shankland plays 90 minutes as talisman and captain, so that automatically reduces game time. But yesterday should have been the opportunity and it wasn’t given. So I just can’t see why he’d be kept if we are not going to play a style that suits him or just not play him at all. Edited April 7 by BackOfTheNet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo92 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 It's hard as he's not getting much time but when he does come on, it's like he's invisible or getting in the way of play. I don't think it's a matter of adapting to the game, just think he doesn't fit in our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, BackOfTheNet said: Can’t see him staying at all. Have to trust the manager, after all we got a win which takes our away wins tally to a record number for 32 years, but it was odd given we only have two fit strikers that when one was ill the other didn’t start. And then didn’t even get used as one of the 5 subs. Obviously we haven’t seen him in training, but his career to date shows the level we play at shouldn’t be beneath him. Guys from the English Conference leagues can thrive in the Scottish Premiership, so I’m certain a guy that’s not just played for Japan but also in the Portuguese top flight and scored against the likes of Sporting and Porto is of good enough pedigree. So I’m not sure if it’s down to culture adjustment, language or says more about how we play or even more about the style of our league, I dunno. Just wish we could have a chance to judge for ourselves. Oda barely got a chance under Neilson and looked destined to be a flop, but some of us could see glimpses to know he should be given a run. Neilson got sacked and then Oda went on to be one of our better performers as the season ended. Guy has had 554 minutes of football for us. That’s the equivalent of just over 6 games. He’s never had a full 90 minutes. There’s been 42 games across all competitions so far for us this season, he’s missed 8 through injury, 1 game he hadn’t signed in time for and 1 where he just wasn’t picked for the squad. Out of the other 32 he’s been on the bench and not come on 16 times. Out of the 16 he has been on the pitch, he’s only started 4 of them. The most time he’s had in one game is 68 minutes in the first game against Kilmarnock at Tynecastle which finished 0-0. Least amount of time he’s had on the pitch is the last 3 minutes against PAOK at home. Average game time for his 16 games played is under 35 minutes. His 4 starts: - Kilmarnock (H) - 0-0 (68 mins) - Rangers (H) - 0-1 (65 mins) - Ross County (H) - 2-2 (45 mins) - Spartans (A) - 2-1 (59 mins) Since he’s a player that can get in behind high lines and run channels, I can’t see home games against Killie and County being those sorts of games. Spartans away most definitely wasn’t. Rangers at home makes sense, but it’s Rangers at the end of the day. I just don’t really see him as been given as much as a shot as you’d think he’d have. I know Shankland plays 90 minutes as talisman and captain, so that automatically reduces game time. But yesterday should have been the opportunity and it wasn’t given. So I just can’t see why he’d be kept if we are not going to play a style that suits him or just not play him at all. He's definitely not had a proper chance, as you've outlined comprehensively in your post. Nowhere near as bad as some of the hyperbolic stuff that's been written on here. We don't see him in training as you say and therein may lie the issue. Who can know definitively. Can't see him being here next season which feels a bit of a shame as I've always felt when I've watched him that he has some attributes that could serve us well. I can see Oda moving on too. Edited April 7 by Carter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 9 hours ago, jr ewing said: Can't be showing anything in training either. A mate who is a scout has seen him in training and said he’s a cracking finisher. It’s not as simple as that I know but…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosanostra Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 He'll be moved on in the summer I'd imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Threedoorsdown said: We literally couldn’t give him away. That's not all that surprising as hard up clubs would still have to stump up for his wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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