Sooks Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Just now, Nucky Thompson said: Stop it, you're making a tit of yourself FFS Check the link above . Look , I am not saying all far right types are filthy kiddie fiddling scumbags , I am merely pointing out that rather a lot of them get caught for being so . Not sure why you are being so defensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Just now, Sooks said: Check the link above . Look , I am not saying all far right types are filthy kiddie fiddling scumbags , I am merely pointing out that rather a lot of them get caught for being so . Not sure why you are being so defensive You're at it mate Politics defines a kiddie fiddler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Just now, Nucky Thompson said: You're at it mate Politics defines a kiddie fiddler Well if you are not prepared to read the article in the link , I can see why we are having no luck debating it . Jeez I am just pointing out something that I read and I found it quite interesting that there has been research and theorising about the reasons why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, Sooks said: Well if you are not prepared to read the article in the link , I can see why we are having no luck debating it . Jeez I am just pointing out something that I read and I found it quite interesting that there has been research and theorising about the reasons why Research Celtic boys club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmfc1965 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, Sooks said: Well if you are not prepared to read the article in the link , I can see why we are having no luck debating it . Jeez I am just pointing out something that I read and I found it quite interesting that there has been research and theorising about the reasons why The article was quite interesting but the UK/ US far right aren't quite the same as the DUP, who they probably regard as liberals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 29 Author Share Posted March 29 (edited) I'm more inclined to the view that you're as likely to find child abusers among ordinary people as you are among the rich and famous, but that they're the ones who get the headlines. And of course, if we can blame child abuse on the rich and famous, or on people who have different politics to us, we don't have to worry ourselves thinking that some or more of the perpetrators might just be people like us. Anyway, in completely unrelated and irrelevant news, Jeffrey Donaldson said today that he strenuously denies the charges. So I'll be keeping the maxim of innocent until proven guilty in mind. http://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2024/0329/1440695-jeffrey-donaldson/ Edited March 29 by Ulysses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, Nucky Thompson said: Research Celtic boys club Always found The RC Church to be quite far right tbh , and Celtic seem a bit fixated on that so ……… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 3 minutes ago, Hmfc1965 said: The article was quite interesting but the UK/ US far right aren't quite the same as the DUP, who they probably regard as liberals. https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/44496/how-the-dup-has-fought-to-leave-its-roots-behind They are certainly trying to leave that image behind , but a lot of the traditionalists in that party are very right wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Ulysses said: I'm more inclined to the view that you're as likely to find child abusers among ordinary people as you are among the rich and famous, but that they're the ones who get the headlines. And of course, if we can blame child abuse on the rich and famous, or on people who have different politics to us, we don't have to worry ourselves thinking that some or more of the perpetrators might just be people like us. Anyway, in completely unrelated and irrelevant news, Jeffrey Donaldson said today that he strenuously denies the charges. So I'll be keeping the maxim of innocent until proven guilty in mind. http://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2024/0329/1440695-jeffrey-donaldson/ Yes it certainly helps insidious child abusers for stupid / naive people to think that child abusers are the wee creepy guys in a Macintosh . They aren’t . In fact children are at more risk within the family home . Statistically .. Edited March 29 by JudyJudyJudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Charges include rape. Case involves 2 children. The Donaldsons have 2 kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 17 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: You're at it mate Politics defines a kiddie fiddler I know ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 17 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: You're at it mate Politics defines a kiddie fiddler FFS that’s all they go on about on this ” the far right “ now they’re all “ kiddie fiddlers “ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmfc1965 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 5 minutes ago, Sooks said: https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/44496/how-the-dup-has-fought-to-leave-its-roots-behind They are certainly trying to leave that image behind , but a lot of the traditionalists in that party are very right wing Of their routes are fundamentalist Protestant/ Presbyterian but that's still a way away from the "kill the Niggers" philosophy, and I use the word extremely loosely of the groups described in the Vice article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 9 minutes ago, Sooks said: Always found The RC Church to be quite far right tbh , and Celtic seem a bit fixated on that so ……… In what way is the Catholic Church ” far right” ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 7 minutes ago, Ulysses said: I'm more inclined to the view that you're as likely to find child abusers among ordinary people as you are among the rich and famous, but that they're the ones who get the headlines. And of course, if we can blame child abuse on the rich and famous, or on people who have different politics to us, we don't have to worry ourselves thinking that some or more of the perpetrators might just be people like us. Anyway, in completely unrelated and irrelevant news, Jeffrey Donaldson said today that he strenuously denies the charges. So I'll be keeping the maxim of innocent until proven guilty in mind. http://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2024/0329/1440695-jeffrey-donaldson/ Probably wise. Mind you, a lot of folk who end up being found guilty of stuff like this (or even of murder) also "strenuously deny the charges". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Just now, Hmfc1965 said: Of their routes are fundamentalist Protestant/ Presbyterian but that's still a way away from the "kill the Niggers" philosophy, and I use the word extremely loosely of the groups described in the Vice article. Perhaps . At least you actually bothered to read the article , so fair dues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 9 minutes ago, Sooks said: Always found The RC Church to be quite far right tbh , and Celtic seem a bit fixated on that so ……… I never mentioned religion. politics, religion. You seem a bit bigoted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmfc1965 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Just now, JudyJudyJudy said: In what way is the Catholic Church ” far right” ? It's by definition an authoritarian religion who don't, or at least historically didn't, have much truck with debate, reasoned or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said: In what way is the Catholic Church ” far right” ? Are you kidding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 29 Author Share Posted March 29 4 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Probably wise. Mind you, a lot of folk who end up being found guilty of stuff like this (or even of murder) also "strenuously deny the charges". All I'm saying is that the man still has to be tried, and the law is the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 29 Author Share Posted March 29 9 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Yes it certainly helps insidious child abusers for stupid / naive people to think that child abusers are the wee creepy guys in a Macintosh . They aren’t . In fact children are at more risk within the family home . Statistically .. Go on..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 minute ago, Ulysses said: Go on..... It’s Friday night ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 7 minutes ago, Sooks said: Are you kidding No . I asked you how they are “ right wing “ you haven’t elaborated . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Just now, Nucky Thompson said: I never mentioned religion. politics, religion. You seem a bit bigoted No , I mention religion because you mentioned Celtic Boys Club . Surely you do not need me to point out the connections between the two What Ulysses says is actually statistically true for the most part , for paedophiles who operate on their own at least . Certain organisations like religions , sports clubs and things like the Scouts attract rings , because there is a certain amount of unquestioned trust and access and this allows them to operate in secret and help each other out . Celtic Boys Club was a victim of that . The same thing happens with priests and celebrities where they are put in positions of unquestioned trust Seems very naive to imagine that the secretive world of far right extremists would be free from this scourge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 9 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: I never mentioned religion. politics, religion. You seem a bit bigoted Yep after Monday people could easily be “ offended” and not like but “ hate “ comments like that . Welcome to Humzas Stasi state Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 5 minutes ago, Ulysses said: All I'm saying is that the man still has to be tried, and the law is the law. Well, yes, agreed - and all I'm pointing out is that "strenuously denying the charges" is generally meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Just now, JudyJudyJudy said: No . I asked you how they are “ right wing “ you haven’t elaborated . I said I have always found them to be . If we take the right wing as being defined as politically aligned with hierarchical systems , traditional values and opposed to changing these ways of life ? Then there was the vaticans position on the third reich . I just see them as being quite right wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Just now, Sooks said: I said I have always found them to be . If we take the right wing as being defined as politically aligned with hierarchical systems , traditional values and opposed to changing these ways of life ? Then there was the vaticans position on the third reich . I just see them as being quite right wing Fair enough . Least your attempting to back up your statement . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 29 Author Share Posted March 29 (edited) 10 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: It’s Friday night ffs It's alright, it's been spotted already. I also think there's a bit of a misconception about kids being most at risk in the family home. That doesn't just mean that children might be at risk from parents; it also means they might be at risk from other people that their parents trust, and often have good reason to trust. That's why people and organisations like those mentioned in the post above by Sooks have attracted predatory people. Edited March 29 by Ulysses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Just now, JudyJudyJudy said: Fair enough . Least your attempting to back up your statement . Why would I not ? I find most religions to be right wing . Do as I say and do not question me ect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 3 minutes ago, Ulysses said: It's alright, it's been spotted already. I also think there's a bit of a misconception about kids being most at risk in the family home. That doesn't just mean that children might be at risk from parents; it also means they might be at risk from other people that their parents trust, and often have good reason to trust. That's why people and organisations like those mentioned in the post above by Sooks have attracted predatory people. Kids see more at risk of any type of abuse within the family home . Thats a fact . It can be anyone . And when i state abuse I don’t just mean sexual . They are vulnerable to all types of abuse . And yes I completely agree that organisations which have power , influence and authority over children and indeed vulnerable people can be a risk . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 6 minutes ago, Sooks said: Why would I not ? I find most religions to be right wing . Do as I say and do not question me ect Well to be honest you could say that about “ the left “ too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 5 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Well to be honest you could say that about “ the left “ too Extreme left is brutal . Communism as a theory is quite sound , but the reality of it never works because you have hierarchical systems , and human nature prevents parity . All are equal but some are equal than others ect Anyway , I was merely pointing out that really high numbers of far right extremists get caught with such material or are found to have committed such crimes . The reasons theorised for this are varied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 29 Author Share Posted March 29 @Sooks and @JudyJudyJudy if you're going to start debating whether "the left" or "the right" make the worst child abusers, could y'all just get a room? Sorry to harp on about the point, but when children are being sexually abused by adults I think it's safe to say that they've more important worries than the abusers' political views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Ulysses said: @Sooks and @JudyJudyJudy if you're going to start debating whether "the left" or "the right" make the worst child abusers, could y'all just get a room? Sorry to harp on about the point, but when children are being sexually abused by adults I think it's safe to say that they've more important worries than the abusers' political views. Fair enough , I just found it interesting and made the comment based on the article that I had read . Did not really intend to make as many replies after the fact . As you were , hope this guy is brought to justice if he has been up to that filth Edited March 29 by Sooks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 29 Author Share Posted March 29 4 minutes ago, Sooks said: Fair enough , I just found it interesting and made the comment based on the article that I had read . Did not really intend to make as many replies after the fact . As you were , hope this guy is brought to justice if he has been up to that filth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted March 29 Author Share Posted March 29 44 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Well, yes, agreed - and all I'm pointing out is that "strenuously denying the charges" is generally meaningless. Indeed it is. I've seen a few amusing comments and memes about the place today, but some of them I wouldn't post here because they'd be a bit out of line with "innocent until proven guilty". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John Findlay Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 If him and his wife are charged, tried, and found guilty, then they deserve a very long time in prison. If, they both die in prison then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM8 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 The D stands for Deviant. I see the usual crowd that cry about the wokes haven’t quite blown this thread up to 160 pages yet. Curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 5 hours ago, John Findlay said: If him and his wife are charged, tried, and found guilty, then they deserve a very long time in prison. If, they both die in prison then so be it. Even if they're found innocent, his political career is over. Which is a fitting end to someone who effectively specialised in destroying other political careers. I do find it intriguing that one of the conditions was that he and his wife now have to live apart. Otherwise, I'm not going to comment on the allegations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 11 hours ago, Ulysses said: I wonder if that's actually the case? If an ordinary person gets done for sexual deviancy or indeed any crime, it'll get a few lines in the paper somewhere unless it's very unusual. If a famous person does something like that, it's headline news and we're all talking about them. So it might just reflect the media obsession with fame and celebrity. UK Government statistics says prevalence rate of 2.3% (England and Wales 2022). https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/sexualoffencesinenglandandwalesoverview/march2022 In 2022 there were over 50 mps reported offenders , out of 650, which is 7.8%. Granted they're not actually guilty, but it does give an insight. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10726693/More-50-MPs-reported-sexual-misconduct-parliamentary-watchdog-reveals.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 8 hours ago, Sooks said: Fair enough , I just found it interesting and made the comment based on the article that I had read . Did not really intend to make as many replies after the fact . As you were , hope this guy is brought to justice if he has been up to that filth No you didn't. You tried to make a distinction between people's political views and their liklihood to commit sexual criminal acts. Obviously with those sharing your political views being less likely to do so. You made an arse of yourself and are a dangerous bigot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 3 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Even if they're found innocent, his political career is over. Which is a fitting end to someone who effectively specialised in destroying other political careers. I agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, pablo said: No you didn't. You tried to make a distinction between people's political views and their liklihood to commit sexual criminal acts. Obviously with those sharing your political views being less likely to do so. You made an arse of yourself and are a dangerous bigot. Out of respect for Ulysses request to take this debate off his thread I will not bother taking this one any further on here , other than to say being against extremism is not bigoted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder and Lightning Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Ffs. How can people on a thread about an alleged nonse come off looking like a total tit. Stop doubling down and learn when to shut up ffs. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 12 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: In what way is the Catholic Church ” far right” ? It's certainly not left-wing despite the actions of some individual priests with a conscience. From Hitler to Franco, the RCC was enthusiastic in it's support/ complicity. With Pinochet, it was a bit mixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the posh bit Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 16 hours ago, That thing you do said: Why the Fk are there so so many folk who have sexual interest in children? It's endemic in the ruling classes in the UK. UK=Club Ped Ruled by paedos and nonces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 16 hours ago, That thing you do said: Why the Fk are there so so many folk who have sexual interest in children? It's endemic in the ruling classes in the UK. UK=Club Ped For some reason the fact that the wife has been arrested too makes it so much worse. The mind boggles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, JDK2020 said: For some reason the fact that the wife has been arrested too makes it so much worse. The mind boggles A bit Fred & Rosemary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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