Gigolo-Aunt Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 But Makela isn't a Robbo or Negri or even a Velicka........... I never said he was. My point was that possibly a right parter for Juho would compinsate for Juho's flaws in other parts of his game. When we have a player who does do good work outside the box, the line gets trotted out that he does not score a lot of goals. When we have someone who hits the back of the net more often that not, the line gets trotted out that he only scores goals but does not do enough outside the box and does not make clever runs. I apprecitae that we will not always play with two up top, but when we do play with two, how about pairing players together whose strengths and weakness compinsate each other? The Marco Negri part was just a bit of added info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumbles1874 Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 am happy with this squad makela has done what we have asked of him and now deserves his chance, and why not take the young guys out as got to remember that if the guys who are not going if they are fit they will still be getting put through there paces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Chimp Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 makela has to be given a chance. a run of at least 5 games, up front, perhaps with nade if fit, and maybe glen coming off the bench. i really think he has a lot of SPL goals in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 can someone post the fixtures and dates of the friendly's in germany please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 The other 4 you metion have worked hard to earn their chance. That's the difference mate. There is a hell of a lot of more younger players who have worked hard but have not been called up. They would quite rightly look upon a Copil call up as a showing that hard work counts for nothing. Copil going to Germany should be a reward for hard work and nothing less. Partially agree with what you are saying GA however I think ability should be a priority when considering places up for grabs. Of course hard work should be considered and rewarded but ability wins you matches. Not everyone in a team is a hard worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CabinBoy Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 I saw Elliot out last night. Would it be considered libelous to report on what i saw him do to someone that annoyed him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Partially agree with what you are saying GA however I think ability should be a priority when considering places up for grabs. Of course hard work should be considered and rewarded but ability wins you matches. Hard work is not enough to make the step up, it has obviously got to be coupled with ability. However, ability alone should not get rewarded. It totally sends out the wrong message to the other players plying their trade in the younger age groups. Ability and good attitude = deserved step up the ladder. Christ, Im starting to sound like David Brent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sexington Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Hard work is not enough to make the step up, it has obviously got to be coupled with ability. However, ability alone should not get rewarded. It totally sends out the wrong message to the other players plying their trade in the younger age groups. Ability and good attitude = deserved step up the ladder. Christ, Im starting to sound like David Brent. "People say I'm the best boss. They go, 'Oh, we've never worked in a place like this before, you're such a laugh. You get the best out of us.' And I go, you know, 'C'est la vie.' If that's true - excellent." - Gigalo-Aunt at his work 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 I saw Elliot out last night. Would it be considered libelous to report on what i saw him do to someone that annoyed him? Did it involve a camera and some weird dance moves ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 "People say I'm the best boss. They go, 'Oh, we've never worked in a place like this before, you're such a laugh. You get the best out of us.' And I go, you know, 'C'est la vie.' If that's true - excellent." - Gigalo-Aunt at his work 2008. The goatee beard is being grown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KZnPysozzYU&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 makela has to be given a chance. a run of at least 5 games, up front, perhaps with nade if fit, and maybe glen coming off the bench. i really think he has a lot of SPL goals in him.The problem being that 5 games is a big chunk of the league programme (13%)and if your main striker doesnt do the business in 5 games then you'll probably find youve slipped back further than you wanted. Harder to do than to say but what we really need is a new signing ( or 2) who can step in there and click right away. Then you'd have the luxury of being able to bring Makela off the bench more and more often and for longer spells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 I saw Elliot out last night. Would it be considered libelous to report on what i saw him do to someone that annoyed him? He was mouthing at one of my younger colleagues in a boozer just a couple of weeks ago ( and he was sh\t faced) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CabinBoy Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Did it involve a camera and some weird dance moves ? Even better, involved him punching someone and it was quite a good one given his rather inebriated state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 He really does himself no favours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KZnPysozzYU&feature=related Hehehehehehehe "Leroy" "The Swindon lot dont respect you" "Heels on your shoes" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wicker Man Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 can someone post the fixtures and dates of the friendly's in germany please Rheingau-Auswahl - Wed 23rd 19:00 ( 18:00 uk time ) Kaiserslautern - Friday 25th 19:00 SV Wehen Wiiesbaden - Tue 29th 19:00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sexington Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Even better, involved him punching someone and it was quite a good one given his rather inebriated state. If that's true, it would appear the lad is losing the plot big time. He really needs to get away from Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 If that's true, it would appear the lad is losing the plot big time. He really needs to get away from Hearts. Fact of the matter is, he is putting himself in a position where stories like this will appear whether true or not, Much like Riordan and Co of a few years back. I understand players need to have a social life, but they also must realise they have a responsibility to the club who employs them and to themselves as athletes. They can't have it all their own way. It's pretty obvious to me that he's on his way out after his exclusion in the squad heading off to Germany. Best for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brow Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Ive seen our very own Billy Elliott out a number of times. Not only is he a pretty guff footballer he is also a complete plum of the highest order. My mate had to help him up of the floor in a nightclub on george st one night, instead of thanking him he verbally abused him, my mates not the violent type which is lucky for Elliott because he's 6'4 and built like a tank. Id be very happy if his career dives and he ends up playing juniors and gets booted up the erse in every game. He gives nothing to the team and is far more concerned with lining his pockets and acting the big man. GTF. Anyway, back to the thread topic. Looks a decent enough squad but I share the concerns about messrs Audrey and Ivaskevicius. Can see why Miko and Chesney were taken as on their day (which admittedly happens about once a season) they are very good players. I hope Chesney can get over his injury problems and start playing well. Mind his goal in the semi final a couple seasons ago against the 'tic? Superb. Its just we never see it consistantly. Copil should NOT have travelled in my opinion. I agree it would send out the wrong message to others. With regards to Makela I am torn. IF we start playing with 2 up front then we can afford 1 player in a "Kris Boyd" mould. Which looking at our squad would be him. Like Poppy he does nothing for 89 minutes a game but if in the 1 minute he comes alive he scores then he has justified his inclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 If that's true, it would appear the lad is losing the plot big time. He really needs to get away from Hearts. Can you really blame him Whether he delivers on the field or not the treatment of him by so called hearts fans is utterly disgusting, add to that the opposition fans and I doubt he gets a second of peace from people Are you really saying if you had the same downright hassle and abuse aimed at your regularly you wouldnt eventually snap? Tbh have run into him a few times in clubs and he has always seemed perfectly ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CabinBoy Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 It is true but tbf to Elliot the guy was slapping him on the head, it wasnt like he was looking to punch someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigolo-Aunt Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Copil should NOT have travelled in my opinion. I agree it would send out the wrong message to others. With regards to Makela I am torn. IF we start playing with 2 up front then we can afford 1 player in a "Kris Boyd" mould. Which looking at our squad would be him. Like Poppy he does nothing for 89 minutes a game but if in the 1 minute he comes alive he scores then he has justified his inclusion. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sexington Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Can you really blame him Are you really saying if you had the same downright hassle and abuse aimed at your regularly you wouldnt eventually snap? I would get myself out of the situation and move to a club where the fans were less hostile to me. I certainly wouldn't be in the town, sh*t faced drunk, swinging punches at people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brow Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 The problem seems to be the establishments Elliott goes too. Edinburgh is a very small capital city where there isnt a great deal of nightclubs that are not populated by neds. He chooses to go to places like Cavendish and bars on George Street. He doesnt have the brains to realise he IS going to get hassle and that if he chooses to drink in these places problems will arise. I am pre-empting the "he should be able to drink where he wants" replies. In an ideal world yes, thats true. But its not. He needs to grow up, realise how fortunate he is to be making more money than the average man, playing for Hearts (which is a dream for normal guys like us) and act like a professional athlete. Until he does this he gets no sympathy from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Gosling Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 DC, Did you just cut and paste that from the Official Site? If so, would it be very anal of me to suggest that the order of the players is interesting? The youngsters are last, the two goalkeepers are first and then the remainder of the first team squad follows. Zaliukas, Ivaskevicius and Ksanavicius "bringing up the rear". Am I clutching at straws, but are they "reserves"? If I am not seeing things, then Mikoliunas and Cesnauskis would be first team squad members, which I would have no problem with and the three rubbish ones are reserves. THAT would be a step in the right direction IMO. I think it could represent the new squad numbers mate - MacDonald apart. Hearts squad for trip to Germany: Steve Banks, Jamie MacDonald, Lee Wallace, Christophe Berra, Christos Karipidis, Ruben Palazuelos, Saulius Mikoliunas, Larry Kingston, Andrew Driver, Christian Nade, Juho Makela, Deividas Cesnauskis, Jamie Mole, Eggert Jonsson, Michael Stewart, Marius Zaliukas, Kestutis Ivaskevicius, Audrius Ksanavicius, Ryan McGowan, David Templeton, Matej Rapnik, Gary Glen, Jonathan Brown, Steven Husband. Banks 1 MacDonald 13 Wallace 3 Berra 4 Karipidis 5 Palazuelos 6 Mikoliunas 7 Kingston 10 Driver 11 Nade 14 Makela 15 Cesnauskis 18 Mole 19 Jonsson 21 Stewart 23 Zaliukas 26 Ivaskevicius 28 Ksanavicius 29 Then the youths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedy_Jambo Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Robbie was on talk 107 last night. He said he has been told to stay behind and work on his fitness because he still has problems with his stomach and achilles. after he had hung up the guys on the show said he should just call it a day and find a new club. Also.. when asked about obua, he seemed to think the guy was defo going to sign from what he said. (in my opinion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Can you really blame him Whether he delivers on the field or not the treatment of him by so called hearts fans is utterly disgusting, add to that the opposition fans and I doubt he gets a second of peace from people Are you really saying if you had the same downright hassle and abuse aimed at your regularly you wouldnt eventually snap? Tbh have run into him a few times in clubs and he has always seemed perfectly ok Oh the irony -- Prancer the man who spends a lot of his time abusing the performances of many of our youngsters and squad (as well as half of kickback) tells the rest of us that we really shouldn't do the same to Elliot Next time somebody 'snaps' at your comments you really don't have a leg to stand on do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 I think it could represent the new squad numbers mate - MacDonald apart. Hearts squad for trip to Germany: Steve Banks, Jamie MacDonald, Lee Wallace, Christophe Berra, Christos Karipidis, Ruben Palazuelos, Saulius Mikoliunas, Larry Kingston, Andrew Driver, Christian Nade, Juho Makela, Deividas Cesnauskis, Jamie Mole, Eggert Jonsson, Michael Stewart, Marius Zaliukas, Kestutis Ivaskevicius, Audrius Ksanavicius, Ryan McGowan, David Templeton, Matej Rapnik, Gary Glen, Jonathan Brown, Steven Husband. Banks 1 MacDonald 13 Wallace 3 Berra 4 Karipidis 5 Palazuelos 6 Mikoliunas 7 Kingston 10 Driver 11 Nade 14 Makela 15 Cesnauskis 18 Mole 19 Jonsson 21 Stewart 23 Zaliukas 26 Ivaskevicius 28 Ksanavicius 29 Then the youths. Damn! Ach well, let's hope that Laszlo sorts out the squad when he is over there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Lithuania Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 No Neilson. I don't think he's match fit just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatore's Tash Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Brown aint travelling Jason Thomson is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Brown aint travelling Jason Thomson is. That'll please some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatore's Tash Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 I know, trust it to be his name they forgot to put on the list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 I know, trust it to be his name they forgot to put on the list! Wouldn't be the Hearts site if they got it all right. I did wonder when I seen his name missing. With Robbie not there, A chance to impress the new man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatore's Tash Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Wouldn't be the Hearts site if they got it all right. I did wonder when I seen his name missing. With Robbie not there, A chance to impress the new man. Big chance. Only natural RB. In fact him and Wallace are only fullbacks travelling. Add maybe Karipidis but thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only a Game Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 He was mouthing at one of my younger colleagues in a boozer just a couple of weeks ago ( and he was sh\t faced) Yet a significant number of posters on here would rather see him in a Hearts jersey than Derek Riordan ( because Riordan's a wee thug dont you know) Thats at least 4 "incidents" of a Riordan type nature that Elliott has been involved in in the last six months. I dont think Riordan has even been up the town in all that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighusref Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 Yet a significant number of posters on here would rather see him in a Hearts jersey than Derek Riordan ( because Riordan's a wee thug dont you know) Thats at least 4 "incidents" of a Riordan type nature that Elliott has been involved in in the last six months. I dont think Riordan has even been up the town in all that time. As stated on another thread, I could not care less what a football player does off the field if he is superb on the field. I personally would love to see Riordan at Hearts, scores for fun and would be a success here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrie_1 Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 A saw Ksnavicius and Zaliukas in Reebok and Calvin Klein at McArthur Glen in Livi the day ...when do the team leave a herd it was today ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatore's Tash Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 A saw Ksnavicius and Zaliukas in Reebok and Calvin Klein at McArthur Glen in Livi the day ...when do the team leave a herd it was today ??? Tomorrow late afternoon. Training first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrie_1 Posted July 19, 2008 Share Posted July 19, 2008 cheers m8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon p Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 wat happened 2 sives???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbinho Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Can you really blame him Whether he delivers on the field or not the treatment of him by so called hearts fans is utterly disgusting, add to that the opposition fans and I doubt he gets a second of peace from people Are you really saying if you had the same downright hassle and abuse aimed at your regularly you wouldnt eventually snap? Tbh have run into him a few times in clubs and he has always seemed perfectly ok Spot on mate, just to a say after reading a lot of your posts I always seem to agree with you. Don't understand why people give you so much stick.. anyways the abuse Elliot recieves is over the top to be honest, which has made it nearly impossible for him to stay at Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braveheart Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Rheingau-Auswahl - Wed 23rd 19:00 ( 18:00 uk time )Kaiserslautern - Friday 25th 19:00 SV Wehen Wiiesbaden - Tue 29th 19:00 according to kaiserlautern website it's a 18.00 kick off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts of Vladland Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Anyone know what the team that have left or leave is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sexington Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Spot on mate, just to a say after reading a lot of your posts I always seem to agree with you. Don't understand why people give you so much stick.. anyways the abuse Elliot recieves is over the top to be honest, which has made it nearly impossible for him to stay at Hearts. Hi Prancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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