kila Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 The Scottish FA can confirm that Crawford Allan will leave his position as Head of Referee Operations at the end of this season. https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/crawford-allan-to-step-down-as-head-of-referee-operations/?rid=14258 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Can only be a good thing. Whole thing needs a re-jig. They need refs to go full time as a starting point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Looking forward to a jobshare betweeen Peter Grant and Barry Ferguson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 2 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Can only be a good thing. Whole thing needs a re-jig. They need refs to go full time as a starting point. It'll be more jobs for the boys. Don't think we'll see any radical change unfortunately. Willie Collum will probably get it if he's close to retiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 minutes ago, kila said: It'll be more jobs for the boys. Don't think we'll see any radical change unfortunately. Willie Collum will probably get it if he's close to retiring. I'd propose a merger with the English Ref union personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 17 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Can only be a good thing. Whole thing needs a re-jig. They need refs to go full time as a starting point. He is an Aberdeen fan. replaced by an OF one, careful what you wish for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 "This will coincide with a planned review of the operational priorities of the department based on the insights to date from VAR implementation, as well as feedback from The Rangers, Celtic, Category One Match Officials and VAR operators, the Scottish FA’s Professional Game Board, the SPFL’s Competitions Working Group and the Independent Review Panel." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Sifter Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Deck chairs, Titanic… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginger jambo98 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 25 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said: He is an Aberdeen fan. replaced by an OF one, careful what you wish for Sadly this is my take on it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oda be a JT Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 7 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said: "This will coincide with a planned review of the operational priorities of the department based on the insights to date from VAR implementation, as well as feedback from The Rangers, Celtic, Category One Match Officials and VAR operators, the Scottish FA’s Professional Game Board, the SPFL’s Competitions Working Group and the Independent Review Panel." “The Rangers” 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I hate to slag referees, they have a difficult job and we need them otherwise we don't have a game. There's already a shortage of them at lower levels in Scotland. However, the VAR introduction has been a complete clusterf*ck, and Allan carries the can on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 The refereeing in this country needs a complete overhaul, standards of officiating are so poor right across the board. Not one week goes by without some sort of horrific decision. I seen the penalty ICT got at the weekend and it beggars belief what refs are looking at half the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharig Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, TheBigO said: Looking forward to a jobshare betweeen Peter Grant and Barry Ferguson. Brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, kila said: It'll be more jobs for the boys. Don't think we'll see any radical change unfortunately. Willie Collum will probably get it if he's close to retiring. Celtic would be happy with that outcome. Hopefully the SFA consult with Celtic before they decide on the successful candidate. Better still, Lawwell can tell them who's getting the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, Bull's-eye said: "This will coincide with a planned review of the operational priorities of the department based on the insights to date from VAR implementation, as well as feedback from The Rangers, Celtic, Category One Match Officials and VAR operators, the Scottish FA’s Professional Game Board, the SPFL’s Competitions Working Group and the Independent Review Panel." PMSL, I actually went to check that in the statement, given the way the game is managed in Scotland it's got more than a hint of truth to it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsandonlyHearts Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Absolutely amazing piece of info. Who else among us always assumed we had no head of referees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 hours ago, Bull's-eye said: "This will coincide with a planned review of the operational priorities of the department based on the insights to date from VAR implementation, as well as feedback from The The Rangers, Celtic, Category One Match Officials and VAR operators, the Scottish FA’s Professional Game Board, the SPFL’s Competitions Working Group and the Independent Review Panel." FYP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 3 hours ago, kila said: The Scottish FA can confirm that Crawford Allan will leave his position as Head of Referee Operations at the end of this season. https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/crawford-allan-to-step-down-as-head-of-referee-operations/?rid=14258 Liewell must have given him permission, so he must have a replacement lined up already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicante jambo Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Will be ian brines. Another prick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDJ87 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 minutes ago, alicante jambo said: Will be ian brines. Another prick. Hates us doesn't he, my memories of him are sketchy but I doubt they're positive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicante jambo Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 24 minutes ago, WDJ87 said: Hates us doesn't he, my memories of him are sketchy but I doubt they're positive No he hates us mate. Him or dallas would fit right in. Its rigged fi top to bottom. Mind ot was brines that sent off zaliukas when a sheep player stuck the head on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 5 hours ago, RustyRightPeg said: I'd propose a merger with the English Ref union personally. They're just as ****ing awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 46 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: They're just as ****ing awful. They’re full time and have a miles better infrastructure. Night and day compared to what we offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackal Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Whoever gets it will piss off one side of the OF regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 11 hours ago, RustyRightPeg said: They’re full time and have a miles better infrastructure. Night and day compared to what we offer. True but ask any EPL fans and they'll complain just as much as we do about their full-time professional twats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) Football refs in general are dicks, or appear to be. Some appear to reveal in the attention and just come across as arrogant. The don't communicate or act in a positive way. The rules are also shite, the handball rule is an abomination. Players also don't help and are still encouraged to cheat, for example - exaggerate a tackle to get a player booked or sent off and to "win" a penalty. The rules don't properly deal with this yet. Football is actually in a bad place from a sportsmanship point of view compared to other sports, it's the only sport were cheating is tolerated on a large scale and the crowding in terms of shouting at officials. Var is good, it gets more right than wrong but the slowing down and use of still images irk me, it's not a true representation of any incident,especially tackles and if the decision time is taking 2/3 mins plus- then is it clear and obvious? I also think the challenge set up like in Tennis removes a lot, if not all the pressure, decision making ( when it's used) from the officials and therefor perceived bias by fans and managers when var is used , it puts accountability on the teams when it's used- or not. The " why did they check that incident but not that one" debate is removed. Edited March 19 by Bazzas right boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 19 hours ago, kila said: The Scottish FA can confirm that Crawford Allan will leave his position as Head of Referee Operations at the end of this season. https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/crawford-allan-to-step-down-as-head-of-referee-operations/?rid=14258 The cynic in me would suggest that they will look for ways of keeping the old firm happier . More decisions are going against them and they are under serious pressure because of it . Essentially this is them trying to find a way to get it back the previous nice cozy little arrangement that brought us such classics as Davis , Brines and McDonald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 The SFA rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic yet again. What’s needed is a complete sea change in the whole organisation. One that sees people get to the top based on ability and not on what West Coast Referees Association they are part of. Crawford Allan is by all accounts a nice guy but not what was needed to head up that department. Perhaps the SFA should think about bringing a head of that department in from outwith Scotland who can look at what needs to be done and act dispassionately on sorting out the mess. I fear we will land up with someone like Ian Brines in the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Now the OF are so desperate to get to England that they should drive a merger with the English referee team, use us as a feeder system for the big league down there..... but they won't, as they couldn't control them (I know there's more to it than that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 I wonder if Hugh Dallas will leave his post abroad now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Too weak to manage the old firm. However worryingly I only see it getting worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC01 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/craig-beattie-lands-key-sfa-28845123 Craig Beattie has been appointed as "player liaison" to club captains regarding referee and VAR feedback after it was confirmed that Crawford Allan would leave his post as head of referee operations. The former Celtic and Hearts striker has been appointed in order to gauge player opinions on how the technology is being run by officials in the country. It comes after Allan revealed he'd step down at the end of the season amid a number of controversies surrounding the tech over the course of two seasons. The Scottish Sun report that during crunch talks on Sunday afternoon there were "raised voices" during a "stormy" meeting involving Ian Maxwell and chief governance officer Gary Booth. The news was then released about Allan and his plans. Beattie, who has been working with the PFA, was then announced as liaison as they felt it was important for players to have a say during the shakeup. PFA Scotland chief Fraser Wishart said: “We feel it’s absolutely vital that players’ views on VAR are taken into consideration. Since it was introduced the players haven’t been asked what their views on it are, so we’re going to go ahead and do it and feed the responses back to the SFA." It comes after Maxwell, the SFA supremo, demanded an end to "convenient" blame being put upon referees and VAR by managers and fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 21 hours ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said: He is an Aberdeen fan. replaced by an OF one, careful what you wish for through a mate that knows him I was led to believe that he's actually a jambo, leaving due to being utterly hamstrung by the SFA and the ref's associations when trying to make any kind of changes Second part is on the money, we'll 100% get someone west coast that will maintain the status quo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 50 minutes ago, HMFC01 said: https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/craig-beattie-lands-key-sfa-28845123 Craig Beattie has been appointed as "player liaison" to club captains regarding referee and VAR feedback after it was confirmed that Crawford Allan would leave his post as head of referee operations. The former Celtic and Hearts striker has been appointed in order to gauge player opinions on how the technology is being run by officials in the country. It comes after Allan revealed he'd step down at the end of the season amid a number of controversies surrounding the tech over the course of two seasons. The Scottish Sun report that during crunch talks on Sunday afternoon there were "raised voices" during a "stormy" meeting involving Ian Maxwell and chief governance officer Gary Booth. The news was then released about Allan and his plans. Beattie, who has been working with the PFA, was then announced as liaison as they felt it was important for players to have a say during the shakeup. PFA Scotland chief Fraser Wishart said: “We feel it’s absolutely vital that players’ views on VAR are taken into consideration. Since it was introduced the players haven’t been asked what their views on it are, so we’re going to go ahead and do it and feed the responses back to the SFA." It comes after Maxwell, the SFA supremo, demanded an end to "convenient" blame being put upon referees and VAR by managers and fans. Making it up as they go along then. Who would have thought it. Any problems, hire a liason officer The crux of the problem, the guy appointed to run VAR can't do it. Mitigating factors being a lack of cameras, stupid rules & clear and obvious bias from the majority of the referees implementing the flawed system. All added together= The Rangers & Celtic firing off statements and open letters. Little wonder Allan says thankyou and goodbye. Never mind though, we have a solution that always works. Hire a liason officer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 9 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said: Making it up as they go along then. Who would have thought it. Any problems, hire a liason officer The crux of the problem, the guy appointed to run VAR can't do it. Mitigating factors being a lack of cameras, stupid rules & clear and obvious bias from the majority of the referees implementing the flawed system. All added together= The Rangers & Celtic firing off statements and open letters. Little wonder Allan says thankyou and goodbye. Never mind though, we have a solution that always works. Hire a liason officer Correct, it's a nonsense, use the money we are paying for the liaison officer to correct the disparity in the number of cameras at each ground and update the brief for the VAR officials so there job is that they have 90 seconds to provide conclusive video evidence that contradicts the on field decision which not only stops the nonsense 4, 5, 6 minute delays but also puts the onus onto the on field officials to make a decision. While they are at it update 3 rules Offside - change so that you are only offside when every part of your body is past any part of the last defender Handball - regardless of body shape or where your arm is in relation to your body, if it is ball to hand from less than 5 yards then it's not handball, only when the arm makes a conscious movement towards the ball is it then handball fouls/diving - if the attacking player deliberately initiates the contact whilst not playing the ball i.e stepping across the defender and not following the path of the ball then it's a free kick to the defender and a yellow card for simulation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger God Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 46 minutes ago, Ribble said: through a mate that knows him I was led to believe that he's actually a jambo, leaving due to being utterly hamstrung by the SFA and the ref's associations when trying to make any kind of changes Second part is on the money, we'll 100% get someone west coast that will maintain the status quo Don't even need a mate to confirm that Crawford is a Hearts fan...we sat next to each other in the old main stand for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger God Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Don't even need a mate to confirm that Crawford is a Hearts fan..we sat next to each other in the old main stand for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queensferryjambo Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) The top flight refs in Scotland have carved up quite a lucrative gig and the cartel members then pick the next set of refs. Am I correct in saying almost every top flight match is refereed by referees from 3 or 4 of the refereeing regions in Scotland? From what I am aware they are all from Glasgow, Renfrewshire, Lanarkshire & Ayrshire refereeing regions with few exceptions. There are 12 refereeing regions in Scotland and until top flight referees are selected from all 12 we all know that the 4 regions mentioned are hardly going to be fans of Dunfermline, Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs etc Why are the other 8 regions of refs destined to referee lower league games if they are lucky? I wonder how the referees from the other regions feel when they see terrible referees fast tracked through the ranks to officiate top flight, European and International fixtures being paid top dollar, going on loads of jollies thanks to nepotism. Edit: This may be an older article but ex Referee James Bee pretty much speaks about a few of the items I have said here - https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/16114571.investigation-referees-blow-whistle-unrest/ Edited March 19 by queensferryjambo Adding link to an article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Putinesque Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjell Olofsson Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Stepping down? It's a pity he hadn't stepped up in the first place! Hopeless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 22 hours ago, HMFC01 said: https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/craig-beattie-lands-key-sfa-28845123 Craig Beattie has been appointed as "player liaison" to club captains regarding referee and VAR feedback after it was confirmed that Crawford Allan would leave his post as head of referee operations. The former Celtic and Hearts striker has been appointed in order to gauge player opinions on how the technology is being run by officials in the country. It comes after Allan revealed he'd step down at the end of the season amid a number of controversies surrounding the tech over the course of two seasons. The Scottish Sun report that during crunch talks on Sunday afternoon there were "raised voices" during a "stormy" meeting involving Ian Maxwell and chief governance officer Gary Booth. The news was then released about Allan and his plans. Beattie, who has been working with the PFA, was then announced as liaison as they felt it was important for players to have a say during the shakeup. PFA Scotland chief Fraser Wishart said: “We feel it’s absolutely vital that players’ views on VAR are taken into consideration. Since it was introduced the players haven’t been asked what their views on it are, so we’re going to go ahead and do it and feed the responses back to the SFA." It comes after Maxwell, the SFA supremo, demanded an end to "convenient" blame being put upon referees and VAR by managers and fans. Are they also appointing a Fan Liaison Officer to discuss the consequences of VAR, or are they perfectly happy just taking our money and telling us all to fk off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 9 hours ago, queensferryjambo said: The top flight refs in Scotland have carved up quite a lucrative gig and the cartel members then pick the next set of refs. Am I correct in saying almost every top flight match is refereed by referees from 3 or 4 of the refereeing regions in Scotland? From what I am aware they are all from Glasgow, Renfrewshire, Lanarkshire & Ayrshire refereeing regions with few exceptions. There are 12 refereeing regions in Scotland and until top flight referees are selected from all 12 we all know that the 4 regions mentioned are hardly going to be fans of Dunfermline, Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs etc Why are the other 8 regions of refs destined to referee lower league games if they are lucky? I wonder how the referees from the other regions feel when they see terrible referees fast tracked through the ranks to officiate top flight, European and International fixtures being paid top dollar, going on loads of jollies thanks to nepotism. Edit: This may be an older article but ex Referee James Bee pretty much speaks about a few of the items I have said here - https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/16114571.investigation-referees-blow-whistle-unrest/ Nothings changed. Crawford Allan is a nice guy and I don't doubt that he’s tried to instigate change but the vested interested inside the SFA ensure that things don’t change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Black 8 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 The whole structure of Scottish football needs a reshuffle… from the referees right down to the league being expanded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 8 minutes ago, Ian Black 8 said: The whole structure of Scottish football needs a reshuffle… from the referees right down to the league being expanded Is that what most ex and current players think ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 22 hours ago, Ginger God said: Don't even need a mate to confirm that Crawford is a Hearts fan..we sat next to each other in the old main stand for years. He is a good guy, I attended an International with him. Always helpful in refereeing and never the slightest bit aloof. Total opposite to Mr D.McDonald, when I had the misfortune of meeting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 23 hours ago, Ribble said: through a mate that knows him I was led to believe that he's actually a jambo, leaving due to being utterly hamstrung by the SFA and the ref's associations when trying to make any kind of changes Second part is on the money, we'll 100% get someone west coast that will maintain the status quo His dad is a jambo, I knew his golf partner for some time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex member of the SaS Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Phil three names is suggesting he has stepped down due to Celtic getting lawyers to fight Brenda's case. However what he and Celtic seem to miss is this is not about Brenda calling the refs out, but because he used words that the rules specifically mention should not be used. No matter how many lawyers they get they can't get round the fact he used those specific words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrystaf Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 And Craig Beattie has been appointed Player Liaison Officer to deal with VAR/referees contentious decisions. He can start by asking why Shanks diving appeal was thrown out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboref51 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 As an amateur ref Crawford Allan was the most communative head we've had for ages. Everything was filtered down to the public park refs. Hope the replacement continues with this approach. At my level VAR can be handy for myself in explaining a decision. For example I've denied a few free kicks and pks this season for the same kind of incident as the first old firm match when the attacker got his leg in front of the defender in mid swing for the ball to clear it. Also similar to the penalty Celtic got a few ago against us tho. Gave a penalty on Saturday saying everyone knows what handball is now . We see it every week. In that respect the freezeframes and re runs of the incident on a loop re enforce why it's given,whether u agree or not. On a public park that's about as good as you can get from a red with no assistants,cameras etc On the downside I can't help notice that the games I ref are now different from those on the TV with the long pauses in play etc .Find this quite sad as I've never noticed that before on 23 years of reffing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Worked with Crawford before he went into the ref operations role, decent lad, shame to see him go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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