Day@theraces Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Would be 10 if it was in the spl at Ibrox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texaco Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 15 minutes ago, KyleLafferty said: Realistically we need the old firm to do really well in Europe. And when we get in yourselves win the winnable games. Rangers going through in this tie should make sure winners of the 2025 Scottish cup gets groups Sorry don't agree. They earn big group stage money in Europe every season. We don't. It's bad enough thier dominance domestically and the European money just adds to kills the rest of us of us off. It keeps their wage bill compatibility high. The better they do the more they earn. One of the rest (maybe us) may hang on their coat tails and get lower group stage games occasionally. But thats chicken feed. What we really need is for them to fail miserably in Europe, go out ASAP and be in crisis. If we qualify for Europe at any stage its up to us . I don't want to be beholden to the arse cheeks for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 minute ago, Texaco said: Sorry don't agree. They earn big group stage money in Europe every season. We don't. It's bad enough thier dominance domestically and the European money just adds to kills the rest of us of us off. It keeps their wage bill compatibility high. The better they do the more they earn. One of the rest (maybe us) may hang on their coat tails and get lower group stage games occasionally. But thats chicken feed. What we really need is for them to fail miserably in Europe, go out ASAP and be in crisis. If we qualify for Europe at any stage its up to us . I don't want to be beholden to the arse cheeks for anything. But we aren't that far off being able to earn big group stage money ourselves. No, it won't be as much as they do, but it could be a huge improvement over our current status. And it's not just the OF we're in financial competition with. I absolutely hate that we lose out on players to shite low table English Championship and League One teams. More money for us in Europe means a better standard of player and a better chance to compete in Europe against the other mid-sized European clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckies1874 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 (edited) Decent result for them. If they play anything like that on Sunday Hibs are out. After today's matches should be 2 good games next Thursday with both 1st legs ending in draws: Rangers v Benfica 5.45pm (aye, they are being made to play early in the Weeg) Aston Villa v Ajax 8pm Edited March 7 by Luckies1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxfee Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 I absolutely hate the huns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 That was a pretty typical Rangers away European performance. Rode their luck but just did enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnking123 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 We need them to do well in Europe. If we want group stage football. Hopefully they get through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Good result for them. They always look decent in Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the posh bit Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 **** the bogging Zombie tramps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Berry Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 19 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: But we aren't that far off being able to earn big group stage money ourselves. No, it won't be as much as they do, but it could be a huge improvement over our current status. And it's not just the OF we're in financial competition with. I absolutely hate that we lose out on players to shite low table English Championship and League One teams. More money for us in Europe means a better standard of player and a better chance to compete in Europe against the other mid-sized European clubs. This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 ….. slaughter the Hibs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Despise them. Good result for them unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 4 hours ago, davemclaren said: Co-efficient? 🥸😎 We need the coefficient to drop, so both OF play in the EL, Dave, otherwise Scotland's going to lose points when one of the OF flumps out of the CL It's not looking too great unless Viktoria win their 2nd leg in the ECL next week, plus it would be best for the coefficient if rangers get knocked out next week Benfica were really poor though and they're out unless they pull their socks right up We'll be very lucky to stay in the top 12 after next Season and if we don't stay 11th / 12th then the Conference GS is oot the windae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Great result for Rangers. Hibs have a real chance against them imo . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 34 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: We need the coefficient to drop, so both OF play in the EL, Dave, otherwise Scotland's going to lose points when one of the OF flumps out of the CL It's not looking too great unless Viktoria win their 2nd leg in the ECL next week, plus it would be best for the coefficient if rangers get knocked out next week Benfica were really poor though and they're out unless they pull their socks right up We'll be very lucky to stay in the top 12 after next Season and if we don't stay 11th / 12th then the Conference GS is oot the windae Overly complicated imo. When losing improved things something is far wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannymack Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, dannymack said: As I say Rangers doing very well just now. When we played Benfica we were 1-0 down at half time. 👎 1 hour ago, Arthur Morgan said: Who? The Heart of Midlothian Football Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, Texaco said: Sorry don't agree. They earn big group stage money in Europe every season. We don't. It's bad enough thier dominance domestically and the European money just adds to kills the rest of us of us off. It keeps their wage bill compatibility high. The better they do the more they earn. One of the rest (maybe us) may hang on their coat tails and get lower group stage games occasionally. But thats chicken feed. What we really need is for them to fail miserably in Europe, go out ASAP and be in crisis. If we qualify for Europe at any stage its up to us . I don't want to be beholden to the arse cheeks for anything. They don't need the co-efficient to get Euro group football, more than once in recent seasons they have gone all the way to the groups and even knockout stages from QR1. Think Hearts could do that? Hearts and all non OF Scottish sides absolutely need the co-efficient to have any chance of group football, so if they don't win, you get nothing. And they wont care about that while everybody else has in comparison even less money but aren't beholden. Happy days with no Euro group football ever. Or at least none for anybody but the OF, that's what you appear to support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsandonlyHearts Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 2 hours ago, johnking123 said: We need them to do well in Europe. If we want group stage football. Hopefully they get through. **** them. Hope they get absolutely slaughtered next Thursday. Scummy cheating bar stewards. Scottish club fans should never forget how they cheated every other Scottish club for close to 20 years. **** them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: We need the coefficient to drop, so both OF play in the EL, Dave, otherwise Scotland's going to lose points when one of the OF flumps out of the CL It's not looking too great unless Viktoria win their 2nd leg in the ECL next week, plus it would be best for the coefficient if rangers get knocked out next week Benfica were really poor though and they're out unless they pull their socks right up We'll be very lucky to stay in the top 12 after next Season and if we don't stay 11th / 12th then the Conference GS is oot the windae We need the coefficient to drop or else Scottish teams might lose too much…. Causing the coefficient to drop? you lost me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: We need the coefficient to drop or else Scottish teams might lose too much…. Causing the coefficient to drop? you lost me I've posted a few times on it If we get overtaken by the Czechs, then the CL GS stage goes with it, so hopefully both cheeks get around 20 points in EL, instead of 1 of them getting their arse handed to them and just netting the 4 bonus points - Edited March 8 by Ricardo Quaresma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 6 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: I've posted a few times on it If we get overtaken by the Czechs, then the CL GS stage goes with it, so hopefully both cheeks get around 20 points in EL, instead of 1 of them getting their arse handed to them and just netting the 4 bonus points - Ok, I'm a tad confused. What do we need to happen to protect it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Just now, davemclaren said: Ok, I'm a tad confused. What do we need to happen to protect it? Quick answer is we want rangers pumped and Czech teams to score about 6 points between them, so Scotland can get more points in the Europa League, instead of practically nowt in the Champions League We're in 10th, overtaken by Turkey now If we slip to 11th, or 12th, we keep the Conference Group Stage spot for the Big Cup / 3rd scenario that we've had last 2 Seasons 11th or 12th means the Champions League Group stage is lost and top 2 have to qualify to get there If the butt cheeks are both in the Europa League, the country probably gets 20 points each from those 2 in that Tournament The Czechs have 3 teams left, but the 2 Prague teams look like going out; they might get some more points, but I think they're both going out next week; that leaves Viktoria, who drew 0-0 away to Servette tonight I think if rangers get papped, the Czech teams need about 5.5 - 6 points between them to overtake Scotland Otherwise next Season will be another poor scoring year and Scotland will lose the Automatic CL & Conference League Group Stage places Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 5 hours ago, Bull's-eye said: Judging by his comments recently he doesn't watch Hearts either. What comments would that be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Morgan Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 3 hours ago, dannymack said: The Heart of Midlothian Football Club Ah, the 60's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irufushi Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Those away goals could prove vital… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Morgan Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 12 minutes ago, Irufushi said: Those away goals could prove vital… You do know they don't count anymore? Unless I'm missing the joke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 10 hours ago, johnking123 said: We need them to do well in Europe. If we want group stage football. Hopefully they get through. Reluctantly agree! Domestically getting near them is borderline impossible, but the prize money is such a game changer vs the other teams and what it can do for the club infrastructure!! Far enough in for the coeffficient then they can get violated 5-0 from some big 5 league team 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 7 hours ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: Quick answer is we want rangers pumped and Czech teams to score about 6 points between them, so Scotland can get more points in the Europa League, instead of practically nowt in the Champions League We're in 10th, overtaken by Turkey now If we slip to 11th, or 12th, we keep the Conference Group Stage spot for the Big Cup / 3rd scenario that we've had last 2 Seasons 11th or 12th means the Champions League Group stage is lost and top 2 have to qualify to get there If the butt cheeks are both in the Europa League, the country probably gets 20 points each from those 2 in that Tournament The Czechs have 3 teams left, but the 2 Prague teams look like going out; they might get some more points, but I think they're both going out next week; that leaves Viktoria, who drew 0-0 away to Servette tonight I think if rangers get papped, the Czech teams need about 5.5 - 6 points between them to overtake Scotland Otherwise next Season will be another poor scoring year and Scotland will lose the Automatic CL & Conference League Group Stage places It all sounds counter intuitive but not a surprise tbh. 🥸 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 minute ago, davemclaren said: It all sounds counter intuitive but not a surprise tbh. 🥸 Yeah. Win more Europa games and Scottish teams will qualify automatically for the Champions League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ex member of the SaS Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Really expect these teams to pump the bigots and they rarely do. Sevco players dying after every tackle is cringeworthy. Ridvan or whatever his name is rolled around like he had been shot by a sniper. Get really disappointed when they score or get anything out of a game and to hell with the co efficient. The more games they win the more cash they get to stay afloat. Pumped out early and the chances of them going under improve dramatically. Possibly our only hope of even getting second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc55 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 As long as they defeat Hibernians. I don't care! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 34 minutes ago, Ex member of the SaS said: Really expect these teams to pump the bigots and they rarely do. Sevco players dying after every tackle is cringeworthy. Ridvan or whatever his name is rolled around like he had been shot by a sniper. Get really disappointed when they score or get anything out of a game and to hell with the co efficient. The more games they win the more cash they get to stay afloat. Pumped out early and the chances of them going under improve dramatically. Possibly our only hope of even getting second. There are no signs they are going under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo89 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 9 hours ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: Quick answer is we want rangers pumped and Czech teams to score about 6 points between them, so Scotland can get more points in the Europa League, instead of practically nowt in the Champions League We're in 10th, overtaken by Turkey now If we slip to 11th, or 12th, we keep the Conference Group Stage spot for the Big Cup / 3rd scenario that we've had last 2 Seasons 11th or 12th means the Champions League Group stage is lost and top 2 have to qualify to get there If the butt cheeks are both in the Europa League, the country probably gets 20 points each from those 2 in that Tournament The Czechs have 3 teams left, but the 2 Prague teams look like going out; they might get some more points, but I think they're both going out next week; that leaves Viktoria, who drew 0-0 away to Servette tonight I think if rangers get papped, the Czech teams need about 5.5 - 6 points between them to overtake Scotland Otherwise next Season will be another poor scoring year and Scotland will lose the Automatic CL & Conference League Group Stage places That doesn’t sound right. 2 points for a win, plus 3 points for qualifying and a few points for reaching knockout stages, you’re still looking at Rangers and Celtic to win 7 or 8 games to get the 20 points each you mentioned. Considering that Rangers only won 7 games when they reached the final, we we need an erse cheek final for this to pan out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon simpson Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 16 hours ago, KyleLafferty said: The co-efficient could do with them going further than the Czech teams. Be nice if they got hammered though. would be great if they went all the way ,then get barred for 5 years as their fans celebrate in Dublin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busbyfth Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 14 hours ago, Luckies1874 said: Decent result for them. If they play anything like that on Sunday Hibs are out. After today's matches should be 2 good games next Thursday with both 1st legs ending in draws: Rangers v Benfica 5.45pm (aye, they are being made to play early in the Weeg) Aston Villa v Ajax 8pm 48,000 sick notes then at the home game if an early kick off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 2 hours ago, Rc55 said: As long as they defeat Hibernians. I don't care! Correct. If we're going to finish third consistently, like it or loathe it, we need at least one of the OF to do well in Europe and ideally not in the Champions League given the riches it brings. I hope Rangers progress - albeit would be a real eye opener to the level of team we're up against to win the Scottish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ricardo Quaresma Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 7 hours ago, davemclaren said: It all sounds counter intuitive but not a surprise tbh. 🥸 'gers pumped, 'mon the Czechs 😆 Slight change to the score last night, all Czech teams got 1 point and rangers got 2 Scotland have 32 / 5 = 6.4000, 5 Year Total 36.050 Czechs have 52 / 4 = 13.000, 5 Year Total 35.550 As is, if they catch up over half a point, they take 10th & the CL GS from the League Winners here; I am sure that's better for us, but that's just for next Season So, hopefully the cheeks compete in the EL, where they can gain more points, plus we (The Hearts) get in and about the points too, still a bit to be done to get there If the OF were both in EL this year & got 20.000 each, it would've been the best score I've seen from Scottish Clubs, 49 / 5 = 9.800, whereas the previous best is 39 / 4 = 9.750 Unfortunately, that's the number that's getting chopped off at end of this Season, plus an 8.500 next Season, so that's why Scotland is in a bit of bother here - Edited March 8 by Ricardo Quaresma Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 5 hours ago, jambo89 said: That doesn’t sound right. 2 points for a win, plus 3 points for qualifying and a few points for reaching knockout stages, you’re still looking at Rangers and Celtic to win 7 or 8 games to get the 20 points each you mentioned. Considering that Rangers only won 7 games when they reached the final, we we need an erse cheek final for this to pan out 16 points, rangers already have, there's bonus points for progression, plus they got some points for CL qualifying in Q3 & Q4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 20 hours ago, NaturalOrder74 said: The rangers going a European run is a great thing for us as much as it’s agony to admit it Except if their efforts maintain 10th in Europe for Scotland, whichever OF team wins the League will faceplant like the last 2 times in the Champions League Sure they'll be happy to get €10M extra for getting annihilated though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir PH Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 6 hours ago, Ex member of the SaS said: Really expect these teams to pump the bigots and they rarely do. Sevco players dying after every tackle is cringeworthy. Ridvan or whatever his name is rolled around like he had been shot by a sniper. Get really disappointed when they score or get anything out of a game and to hell with the co efficient. The more games they win the more cash they get to stay afloat. Pumped out early and the chances of them going under improve dramatically. Possibly our only hope of even getting second. What makes you think they are going under? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 49 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: Except if their efforts maintain 10th in Europe for Scotland, whichever OF team wins the League will faceplant like the last 2 times in the Champions League Sure they'll be happy to get €10M extra for getting annihilated though There's another effect of them racking up points this season, and that's that for now it increases the national association baseline for Scotland, which is what we'll play with in Europe next season as we haven't accrued enough points to exceed it. It won't change much but it might bump us into slightly easier sailing for something like the EL qualifier. 4 hours ago, loveofthegame said: Correct. If we're going to finish third consistently, like it or loathe it, we need at least one of the OF to do well in Europe and ideally not in the Champions League given the riches it brings. I hope Rangers progress - albeit would be a real eye opener to the level of team we're up against to win the Scottish... At some point in the near future we're going to need to start pulling some weight in generating club points. Maybe not next season but we should be able to earn decent points in the UECL and possibly in the EL playoff round with a home win or draw even if we don't go through. And within the next 3-5 years, we really need to make the knockout round of the UECL and maybe get a result or two there. Having a third club making contributions to the coefficient would be a huge boost for Scotland (not to mention a bunch of extra cash for us). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsandonlyHearts Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Sir PH said: What makes you think they are going under? Hope!! Me too. They’re one of the top two in the scum league of scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Watt-Zeefuik said: There's another effect of them racking up points this season, and that's that for now it increases the national association baseline for Scotland, which is what we'll play with in Europe next season as we haven't accrued enough points to exceed it. It won't change much but it might bump us into slightly easier sailing for something like the EL qualifier. That's more than likely not good enough for EL Q4, we need to build our own The sheep got quite fortunate because Frankfurt didn't care about the last ECL Group match, gifting 2 points; they only had 3 points from 3 draws before KO; in the end they got 5, 1 better than we did with 2 wins the previous year They're now on 11, despite a strike-out in the year before, but surely another strike-out, baah-ah 🐑, 😆 The new Format is mental too, there's no pots now, so club coefficient means nowt there, plus there's no drop-down, so I've heard, from the top 2 tournaments to a knockout round in the tournaments below, which will have an effect on points gained for some Teams / Countries - Edited March 8 by Ricardo Quaresma There's no 3rd as it's one huge group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo_tar Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 20 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: That was a pretty typical Rangers away European performance. Rode their luck but just did enough. They are lucky in Europe but they played well last night also. Think they've a really good chance to get through now. If they draw someone like Liverpool in the next round, they could end up getting hammered though. Liverpool beat them 9-1 on aggregate last time they played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N Lincs Jambo Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 I'm reading that a 25 year old Rangers fan has died after the game in Lisbon last night. As much as I'm no fan of the club, that's horrific. Same age as my eldest daughter. RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Sir PH said: What makes you think they are going under? You think Rangers or Celtic would be fine without the European money on tap every season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir PH Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 47 minutes ago, kila said: You think Rangers or Celtic would be fine without the European money on tap every season? Nope. But they are guaranteed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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