The Mighty Thor Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) So for the second time in a row the UK's seaborne nuclear deterrent failed in a test launch with the £17m non armed missile landing in the sea near the submarine it launced from. it raises two questions; Are the Americans ripping the utter piss out of us by selling us dud gear? Just how tin-pot are we as a global power? Maybe the MOD should round up the bairns of Niddrie as they appeared to have no issues getting rockets to launch last Nov 5th? Edited February 21 by The Mighty Thor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 The MoD said the test had 'reaffirmed the effectiveness of the UK's nuclear deterrent' 😂. What a nation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder and Lightning Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 12 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: So for the second time in a row the UK's seaborne nuclear deterrent failed in a test launch with the £17m non armed missile landing in the sea near the submarine it launced from. it raises two questions; Are the Americans ripping the utter piss out of us by selling us dud gear? Just how tin-pot are we as a global power? Maybe the MOD should round up the bairns of Niddrie as they appeared to have no issues getting rockets to launch last Nov 5th? Actually, the target was a small submersible drone parked very near the launch vehicle. Honest. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americana Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Always wonder why its necessary to release statements to inform the world about how much of a joke our military has become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Duncan Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 25 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: So for the second time in a row the UK's seaborne nuclear deterrent failed in a test launch with the £17m non armed missile landing in the sea near the submarine it launced from. it raises two questions; Are the Americans ripping the utter piss out of us by selling us dud gear? Just how tin-pot are we as a global power? Maybe the MOD should round up the bairns of Niddrie as they appeared to have no issues getting rockets to launch last Nov 5th? Good to see you using ‘us’ and ‘we’ when talking about the UK, Thor. 😜 Insaid years ago that if America wants gun control then its proponents should infiltrate the ammo factories, and start making them all dud. Maybe some CND types have done the same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 The MoD have said the missile likely would have launched correctly in a real world scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 24 minutes ago, Americana said: Always wonder why its necessary to release statements to inform the world about how much of a joke our military has become. The test was in January so they'll have been trying to keep it quiet for as long as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 8 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: The MoD have said the missile likely would have launched correctly in a real world scenario The best part is that Grant Shapps/Corinne Stockheath/Sebastian Fox/Michael Green was on board 😂 "we just press this button minister and then it's goodbye to the enemies of the king"...........**Whoosh** **plop** It landed about a decent 7 iron distance from the Sub 😂 £3 billion a year for a shan astra firework. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 47 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: So for the second time in a row the UK's seaborne nuclear deterrent failed in a test launch with the £17m non armed missile landing in the sea near the submarine it launced from. it raises two questions; Are the Americans ripping the utter piss out of us by selling us dud gear? Just how tin-pot are we as a global power? Maybe the MOD should round up the bairns of Niddrie as they appeared to have no issues getting rockets to launch last Nov 5th? Feels like they are taking the piss, certainly would be looking for a rebate. This failure is very dangerous for the whole deterrence debate imo, perhaps existential. No doubt it'll be used as a reason to accelerate the next upgrade. All feels a bit 'just buy the next version of windows' to fix the crap that didn't work as it was supposed to first go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Americana Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Need to get this guy in charge of MOD PR... Clarke and Dawe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Stuff going wrong during tests isn't necessarily a bad thing. You do tests to make sure everything works correctly when you need to do it for real. That said, the spin they're trying to put on this sounds laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 14 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: The MoD have said the missile likely would have launched correctly in a real world scenario Let's 'av a test, aye? Woosh, fizzle, plop. Failed mate. Barry. Proved it works in real world scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 Worth bearing in mind this is hot on the heels of the two patrol boats crashing into each other in the Gulf and then both ships of our multi-billion pound 'Carrier Strike Force' being Donald Ducked. Ivan and the Chinese must be absolutely shitting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Saw that. A £500m refit and £17m per failed missile. Never mind, the honest Grant Shapps is in control... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68355395 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 "The anomaly was event specific" Yeah this one failed. But only 'cos it was a dud yin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightrope Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 40 minutes ago, Sooperstar said: The test was in January so they'll have been trying to keep it quiet for as long as possible. Wouldn't matter, any power of note would be watching very closely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 18 minutes ago, Victorian said: "The anomaly was event specific" Yeah this one failed. But only 'cos it was a dud yin. Same batch as the 2016 one? Amirite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Behold, the full assembled might of His Majesty's Royal Navy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just now, Cade said: Behold, the full assembled might of His Majesty's Royal Navy! Rule Britannia Blah! Blah! Blah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 If they just spun it as “this is what we do testing for” instead of all the million and one excuses nobody would probably be saying anything. They are their worst enemy at times. Gotta wonder who they hire as media commentators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 44 minutes ago, Cade said: Behold, the full assembled might of His Majesty's Royal Navy! If the poor **** in the front doesn't get his head blown off he'll not be hearing anything for a long long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister T Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, Americana said: Always wonder why its necessary to release statements to inform the world about how much of a joke our military has become. Double bluff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 minutes ago, Mister T said: Double bluff? Yes Prime Minister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister T Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 9 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Yes Prime Minister. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 You seen the price of rocket fuel recently 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, Japan Jambo said: Feels like they are taking the piss, certainly would be looking for a rebate. Maybe they should have paid a bit extra for an extended product warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Would never have happened under John Findlay's watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 18 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Maybe they should have paid a bit extra for an extended product warranty. If they get the bomb back, I know a wee shop in Lancaster that could fix it without loosing any of the data in it, they did a great job replacing the screen on my phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 The only thing we need to do is keep so far up the Yanks butts that any major world, wide conflict then they will simply come here and use the UK as staging post. And if they do that the threat of using any nuclear deterrents would be by them anyway. This is why it has always been right to say ban nuclear weapons in not just Scotland but UK wide. Nobody is attacking us because they know the good ole US of A will have our backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 They tried running it on Waste Vegetable Oil during testing. In real time they fill up with the good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 25 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said: They tried running it on Waste Vegetable Oil during testing. In real time they fill up with the good stuff. Crisp 'n dry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 3 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: Worth bearing in mind this is hot on the heels of the two patrol boats crashing into each other in the Gulf and then both ships of our multi-billion pound 'Carrier Strike Force' being Donald Ducked. Ivan and the Chinese must be absolutely shitting it. As always, thet probably just hope the US military just keep saving British arses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH11 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 4 hours ago, Americana said: Need to get this guy in charge of MOD PR... Clarke and Dawe Brilliant! 1 hour ago, Shooter McGavin said: Would never have happened under John Findlay's watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Duncan Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said: If they get the bomb back, I know a wee shop in Lancaster that could fix it without loosing any of the data in it, they did a great job replacing the screen on my phone. How much is the lad from Lancaster blackmailing you for a month after he found the whole hard drive filled with NSFW/KB memes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) People are quick to jump in So the media said it failed but the navy said it didn’t 🤷♂️. Not ITK but, it may have just been a *launch test (ballistic fired) and it worked….enough fuel to fly for a few seconds then fizz out and drop. Quote: “The fault had something to do with it being a TEST -firing, with a source saying that the launch would have been successful had it been carried out for real with a nuclear warhead.” * not a flight test or target test. Cant be arsed looking but, any quotes from our expert nuclear missile naval officers or, are the reports all from media expert nuclear missile reporters, none of whom will have witnessed this test. Edited February 21 by highlandjambo3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, Shooter McGavin said: Would never have happened under John Findlay's watch Did he have something to do with the navy? Anyhoo, I opened this thread thinking it was perhaps about a heavy rock band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 3 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said: People are quick to jump in So the media said it failed but the navy said it didn’t 🤷♂️. Not ITK but, it may have just been a *launch test (ballistic fired) and it worked….enough fuel to fly for a few seconds then fizz out and drop. Quote: “The fault had something to do with it being a TEST -firing, with a source saying that the launch would have been successful had it been carried out for real with a nuclear warhead.” * not a flight test or target test. Cant be arsed looking but, any quotes from our expert nuclear missile naval officers or, are the reports all from media expert nuclear missile reporters, none of whom will have witnessed this test. According to the MOD the missile was meant to fly from Florida before landing at sea between West Africa and Brazil, some 3,700 miles away. I think it was only short by 3,699miles and 1600 yards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said: According to the MOD the missile was meant to fly from Florida before landing at sea between West Africa and Brazil, some 3,700 miles away. I think it was only short by 3,699miles and 1600 yards Ah….facts…..that’s what I like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 22 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: How much is the lad from Lancaster blackmailing you for a month after he found the whole hard drive filled with NSFW/KB memes? I don't know what you mean! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Footage of Grant Shapps in control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, Victorian said: Crisp 'n dry? No, Crisp 'n' dry is Rapeseed Oil these days. Vegetable Oil is Genetically modified Soya Bean Oil, much cheaper. Surprised you didn't know this common known fact Victorian. You know everything else going on in the universe . . . and beyond !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 13 minutes ago, Gundermann said: When you realise you've had too much bevvy 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 28 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Footage of Grant Shapps in control. Reminds me of a scary situation long time ago in Otterburn firing an HE round out of a 51mm mortar (it wasn’t me firing btw). The safety supervisor is supposed to check the sight on the mortar before the round is dropped down the barrel…..now the sight is like a spirit level bubble on a rotating drum….the spirit level bubble was bang on the mark however, the drum was incorrectly set for the range to the target and the firer dropped the round down the tube and pulled the firing lever……..it was only at that point everyone seen the mortar tube was pointing directly up and that’s the direction the bomb flew…..straight up😳 Which way to run FFS…..we had about 12 seconds before the round landed again…..instinct was to run like fk away from the target for about 8 seconds then deck it……fortunately the mortar round detonated about 100m away…..that corporal ended up bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 50 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said: No, Crisp 'n' dry is Rapeseed Oil these days. Vegetable Oil is Genetically modified Soya Bean Oil, much cheaper. Surprised you didn't know this common known fact Victorian. You know everything else going on in the universe . . . and beyond !! You're the waste oil expert Fudduffman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 23 minutes ago, Victorian said: You're the waste oil expert Fudduffman. Ken. I punted thousands of Litres to the MoD for missile testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 3 hours ago, joondalupjambo said: The only thing we need to do is keep so far up the Yanks butts that any major world, wide conflict then they will simply come here and use the UK as staging post. And if they do that the threat of using any nuclear deterrents would be by them anyway. This is why it has always been right to say ban nuclear weapons in not just Scotland but UK wide. Nobody is attacking us because they know the good ole US of A will have our backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 33 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said: Ah probably my grammar. If there was a major conflict, which is hopefully highly unlikely nobody would be attacking us(the UK) with nukes, or anything really serious if we have USA behind us. The USA would have our backs, do I what is needed military wise and press all the buttons needed if necessary. The UK is a bit of a failed nation in the International stage now but we cannot admit it. We need the USA as the big friendly giant hence why we suck up to them. No need for us to have nuclear weapons in my view in the UK, waste of time and money. Obviously there is another side to the arguement which I understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 6 hours ago, tightrope said: Wouldn't matter, any power of note would be watching very closely. Exactly. Any power of note will have been notified of the test well in advance, as is customary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 57 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said: Ah probably my grammar. If there was a major conflict, which is hopefully highly unlikely nobody would be attacking us(the UK) with nukes, or anything really serious if we have USA behind us. The USA would have our backs, do I what is needed military wise and press all the buttons needed if necessary. The UK is a bit of a failed nation in the International stage now but we cannot admit it. We need the USA as the big friendly giant hence why we suck up to them. No need for us to have nuclear weapons in my view in the UK, waste of time and money. Obviously there is another side to the arguement which I understand. Nah not your grammar, I was being a tad facetious and possibly unfair - I'm not as confident as you are about the 100% reliability of the US as a dependable ally unless it massively aligns with their interests particularly if we move into another Trump term. Pretty sure they'd come to our aid but even in WW2 it took a fair amount of arm twisting to get them over the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 31 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said: Nah not your grammar, I was being a tad facetious and possibly unfair - I'm not as confident as you are about the 100% reliability of the US as a dependable ally unless it massively aligns with their interests particularly if we move into another Trump term. Pretty sure they'd come to our aid but even in WW2 it took a fair amount of arm twisting to get them over the line. Good point about Trump to be honest. However even with him in the Oval Office you have got to hope that the House and the Senate would see the need to use us as a base. Of course they will hum and haw but my thinking is you have to be hopeful because on our own we would, or could do very little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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