Many Good Men

[Sooks]

Just now, GlasgoJambo said:

He’s referencing the very loose collective group which lumps fathers for justice in with nasty wee virgins.

It’s like when everyone right of socialism gets called a fascist. It turns people off and does no help for the cause.

 

Ah okay . Surely people are able to recognise the line here . Wanting to see your kids after a break down of a relationship and believing women should be forced to have sex with people they do not choose to is a massive difference 

[Pete Elliott]

1 hour ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

It's a very serious issue mate and there have been serious real world incidents on the back of these types of lads essentially forming a community together on the internet, being stuck in an echo chamber that gets progressively more dangerous. Folk might dismiss that because they have this notion that being a man is under attack or whatever and this is just part of some agenda. Yet the same folk don't question how young Muslim men have been and are radicalised online. It's the same phenomenon, just a different audience and different target.

 

Folk don't like the terminology and probably think it's part of snowflake (without any hint of irony on this term) culture. But it's a recognised label to describe a certain subculture. We've always had labels for that and it's important to differentiate normal young lads from these guys.

 

I know JKB is a predominantly older demographic and tbf, this is a significant issue for the generation below mine, not mine directly, but I'm close enough to that generation to see the impact that this stuff is having on kids. It's genuinely concerning and when you see how much little kids are now on tablets watching YouTube, I've no idea what we're creating for the future.

 

It's great Hearts are doing this because they've got the sort of influence and can reach the type of people that this stuff impacts.

I wasn’t aware of the terrorist part until fairly recently. It’s martyrdom and they are almost worshipped after their death.

[Pete Elliott]

42 minutes ago, the posh bit said:

 

I'd be quite angry if I was part of a group of fathers who simply wanted to see more of their kids and learned I'd been bundled into an imaginary space that exists in the heads of morons with incels and mysoginists. 

I’m not sure where that links in? Fathers for Justice etc don’t appear to be anti-women, they’re more anti-establishment. Anyone who wants to spend more time with their children should be praised rather than criticised imo (unless they’re a risk to the child).

[Bob Loblaw]

1 hour ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

It's a very serious issue mate and there have been serious real world incidents on the back of these types of lads essentially forming a community together on the internet, being stuck in an echo chamber that gets progressively more dangerous. Folk might dismiss that because they have this notion that being a man is under attack or whatever and this is just part of some agenda. Yet the same folk don't question how young Muslim men have been and are radicalised online. It's the same phenomenon, just a different audience and different target.

 

Folk don't like the terminology and probably think it's part of snowflake (without any hint of irony on this term) culture. But it's a recognised label to describe a certain subculture. We've always had labels for that and it's important to differentiate normal young lads from these guys.

 

I know JKB is a predominantly older demographic and tbf, this is a significant issue for the generation below mine, not mine directly, but I'm close enough to that generation to see the impact that this stuff is having on kids. It's genuinely concerning and when you see how much little kids are now on tablets watching YouTube, I've no idea what we're creating for the future.

 

It's great Hearts are doing this because they've got the sort of influence and can reach the type of people that this stuff impacts.

Brilliant post.

[GlasgoJambo]

10 minutes ago, Sooks said:

Ah okay . Surely people are able to recognise the line here . Wanting to see your kids after a break down of a relationship and believing women should be forced to have sex with people they do not choose to is a massive difference 

Yep agree Sooks, unfortunately whether malevolently or unintentionally that line gets blurred and people construe it as an attack on men on the whole. 

[Pete Elliott]

34 minutes ago, Sleepy head said:

I agree with you. Andrew Tate is a name well known with this mindset. Interestingly, he turned to Islam.

Putting him aside though, radical feminism is the antithesis.

There is so much at the present time which stokes this culture. The breakdown of family values, the demonisation of masculinity which can create this type of push back and a society which is losing touch with core values. These disaffected young men and young women are looking for a place to belong. Not excusing them entirely as there is always a case for personal responsibility however these nefarious groups and individuals prey on the lost and confused.

Really interesting point you make around masculinity and how it’s almost become a negative thing to be ‘masculine’ or have ‘masculine traits.’ We need to turn it into a positive thing with a wider definition so that it’s more inclusive.

 

Being masculine should have nothing to do with physical strength or going to the pub or football with the lads. It should be about being a decent and good male who treats women and children and other men with respect. 

[Sooks]

8 minutes ago, GlasgoJambo said:

Yep agree Sooks, unfortunately whether malevolently or unintentionally that line gets blurred and people construe it as an attack on men on the whole. 

What a world we live in eh  

[GlasgoJambo]

6 minutes ago, Sooks said:

What a world we live in eh  

mon the Hearts 🍻

[Sooks]

Just now, GlasgoJambo said:

mon the Hearts 🍻

Absolutely this HHGH

[Pete Elliott]

14 minutes ago, Sooks said:

What a world we live in eh  

Imagine having to deal with all the horrors in the world AND be a Hibs fan. 😳

[Norm]

21 minutes ago, Pete Elliott said:

Really interesting point you make around masculinity and how it’s almost become a negative thing to be ‘masculine’ or have ‘masculine traits.’ We need to turn it into a positive thing with a wider definition so that it’s more inclusive.

 

Being masculine should have nothing to do with physical strength or going to the pub or football with the lads. It should be about being a decent and good male who treats women and children and other men with respect. 

Aren't those just attributes of being a decent person, as opposed to being  specifically masculine traits? 

[tcjambo]

Great initiative. Well done Hearts! Female sport is a great way for guys to appreciate womens' talents other than the usual male preoccupation. We could start by getting right behind the women's team.

[The Tackle]

2 hours ago, Sooks said:

It is quite scary tbh mate . It seems like things that previously would never become mainstream topics of debate because one side of the argument is so reprehensible are now open to debate as though having some merit . I still sometimes stop and just wonder at some of the things that people try and make cases for . Obviously debate is important but when things like taking away a persons right to chose who they have consensual sex with starts to be debated as though both sides of the argument have merit …………… you start to realise we are through the looking glass

I’m going to do a little more research into it as this thread has a lot of interesting and eye opening comments. 

[Sooks]

2 minutes ago, tcjambo said:

Great initiative. Well done Hearts! Female sport is a great way for guys to appreciate womens' talents other than the usual male preoccupation. We could start by getting right behind the women's team.

I think it is also important not to attach a sense of guilt on to men for that preoccupation too though . It is completely natural and normal . The problems arise when some men are unable to see anything but sexual attraction in women and therefor see them as only existing to fulfil this function for men 

[Sooks]

5 minutes ago, The Tackle said:

I’m going to do a little more research into it as this thread has a lot of interesting and eye opening comments. 

Keep a sick bag close to hand  

[tcjambo]

1 hour ago, Sooks said:

I think it is also important not to attach a sense of guilt on to men for that preoccupation too though . It is completely natural and normal . The problems arise when some men are unable to see anything but sexual attraction in women and therefor see them as only existing to fulfil this function for men 

I agree. Lack of male teachers for young children, removal of deference/respect for authority, poor parenting, toxic Wahabbism  and shocking online role models have all played a part.

[Pete Elliott]

1 hour ago, Norm said:

Aren't those just attributes of being a decent person, as opposed to being  specifically masculine traits? 

I think that’s the point. Moving away from masculinity and femininity being gender stereotypes and more about being a decent human.

[Gundermann]

3 hours ago, AlphonseCapone said:

 

It's a very serious issue mate and there have been serious real world incidents on the back of these types of lads essentially forming a community together on the internet, being stuck in an echo chamber that gets progressively more dangerous. Folk might dismiss that because they have this notion that being a man is under attack or whatever and this is just part of some agenda. Yet the same folk don't question how young Muslim men have been and are radicalised online. It's the same phenomenon, just a different audience and different target.

 

Folk don't like the terminology and probably think it's part of snowflake (without any hint of irony on this term) culture. But it's a recognised label to describe a certain subculture. We've always had labels for that and it's important to differentiate normal young lads from these guys.

 

I know JKB is a predominantly older demographic and tbf, this is a significant issue for the generation below mine, not mine directly, but I'm close enough to that generation to see the impact that this stuff is having on kids. It's genuinely concerning and when you see how much little kids are now on tablets watching YouTube, I've no idea what we're creating for the future.

 

It's great Hearts are doing this because they've got the sort of influence and can reach the type of people that this stuff impacts.

 

 

Good post.

 

It's actually as much about protecting men as it is women. Too many young men get disaffected for whatever reason and further down the road it manifests itself in suicide, abuse of others or addiction of some sort. Men in Scotland die far too young. Respect for women though shouldn't even be up for debate.

[the posh bit]

4 hours ago, Pete Elliott said:

I’m not sure where that links in? Fathers for Justice etc don’t appear to be anti-women, they’re more anti-establishment. Anyone who wants to spend more time with their children should be praised rather than criticised imo (unless they’re a risk to the child).

 

Run a Google on Manospere, they're all linked in. 

[Sleepy head]

4 hours ago, Pete Elliott said:

Really interesting point you make around masculinity and how it’s almost become a negative thing to be ‘masculine’ or have ‘masculine traits.’ We need to turn it into a positive thing with a wider definition so that it’s more inclusive.

 

Being masculine should have nothing to do with physical strength or going to the pub or football with the lads. It should be about being a decent and good male who treats women and children and other men with respect. 

Correct.

[spirt of 98]

4 hours ago, tcjambo said:

Great initiative. Well done Hearts! Female sport is a great way for guys to appreciate womens' talents other than the usual male preoccupation. We could start by getting right behind the women's team.

😂😂

[spirt of 98]

6 hours ago, The Tackle said:

You are obviously more clued up on it than me. I was aware that there is growing movement of young men who bitch and moan about women not choosing them on TikTok but I wasn’t aware it was as serious as your previous posts suggest 

In my day these lads were just called virgin baws. 
 

Que some wee Wokey giving me a telling of calling me Gammon or whatever.🤣😂

 

Got to love a half-time Kickback read. 

Edited February 3 by spirt of 98

[Generic Username]

48 minutes ago, spirt of 98 said:

In my day these lads were just called virgin baws. 
 

Que some wee Wokey giving me a telling of calling me Gammon or whatever.🤣😂

 

Got to love a half-time Kickback read. 

 

You aren't a gammon for thinking these guys are wee virgins. The difference from your day, whenever that was, is more than likely that in this day & age thanks to the internet & social media these like-minded boys have instant access to each other where they can peddle these beliefs without question, have their wild outlook validated & in some more serious cases be radicalised to a point where serious violence is the only logical recourse. 

 

It's a surreal state of affairs that the world we now live in features guys that think "no one wants to pump me, so logically, I need to murder as many people as possible".

[spirt of 98]

6 minutes ago, Generic Username said:

 

You aren't a gammon for thinking these guys are wee virgins. The difference from your day, whenever that was, is more than likely that in this day & age thanks to the internet & social media these like-minded boys have instant access to each other where they can peddle these beliefs without question, have their wild outlook validated & in some more serious cases be radicalised to a point where serious violence is the only logical recourse. 

 

It's a surreal state of affairs that the world we now live in features guys that think "no one wants to pump me, so logically, I need to murder as many people as possible".

What a bunch of wee entitled virgins. Where did it all go wrong?

I blame the Government for all of it as they have sat back and produced the Nanny State,been soft on crime sent all the money abroad to fix their issues. Then stood back and let all these virgins and hibs fans run wild with over exuberance!