doddsyJR9 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 minutes ago, il Duce McTarkin said: This place is full of treasonous pigs, doddsy. Don't let their woke agenda get you down. No surrender to the wokists. II Duce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Just now, Tazio said: You just there in your Lazio PJs matey. Jawohl, Herr Tazio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Just now, doddsyJR9 said: No surrender to the wokists. II Duce. They'll never take us alive, doddsy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 11 minutes ago, doddsyJR9 said: No surrender to the wokists. II Duce. I thought trolling was against the rules but you matey seem to be immune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddysBar Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 A shame to see a decent thread (for once) go the usual way. Any before any other bore says it ‘we need more decent threads go the usual way imo’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddysBar Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 hours ago, JimmyCant said: I think from the early days of the strike a feeling grew amongst police officers that they had to win in a battle of two very big gangs. Orgreave was the culmination of steadily worsening violence. What started off as pushing and shoving became rock throwing, punching kicking and baton charges. Orgreave was a set up. Designed by senior officers to happen, probably pressured by deep government, and knowing that the rank and file were fed up and ready for a tear up. Any excuse that day and they (the miners) were getting their arses kicked. This was doubly ensured by drafting the Met in. Guys who had no sense of what the communities were like and didn’t care. It was part orchestrated and part blood lust. The big gang had to win and it was time. It’s as simple and as sad as that. As I said earlier, my biggest regret about that time was having to follow through on the legal process which meant many men lost their jobs for relatively trivial offences. Arrested merely to get them out of the way and reduce the numbers on any given day but the law didn’t allow for it without charges. Putting the men arrested at Orgreave in jail and on trial for rioting was just an extension of that. Completely unnecessary and barbaric and a fit up from start to finish (none of them was convicted of rioting) The police as a service was politicised in that period. Used as a tool of government and unable to go against it. The implications of that were far reaching and a cancer which has grown and grown to the extent we have now. Hand in hand with gross underfunding we’ve seen The gradual and now almost total withdrawal of policing by consent. An un policeable generation. No trust . No partnership. No visibility. No response. Barely keeping a lid on every day public order Another great post JC. You sound like an old style community copper who played fair but by the rules and who people respected 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, doddsyJR9 said: The Green Brigade is simply my referencing the 70's and 80's Unions and socialism, that has republicanism at its core value, they would replace the monarchy, separate Great Britain, everything a hobo seeks. Most people recognise where I come from. All of the Hearts and Rangers supporters who I grew up with had a similar ethos back then. We all believed in the Monarchy, Great Britain and No Surrender to the IRA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, il Duce McTarkin said: I've got Göring next to Hitler. That fella could rock a uniform. Putin's an Ivan wank Home-Bargains-Hitler and can gtf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) 2 hours ago, doddsyJR9 said: The Green Brigade is simply my referencing the 70's and 80's Unions and socialism, that has republicanism at its core value, they would replace the monarchy, separate Great Britain, everything a hobo seeks. Most people recognise where I come from. All of the Hearts and Rangers supporters who I grew up with had a similar ethos back then. We all believed in the Monarchy, Great Britain and No Surrender to the IRA. You also believe that God created the heaven and the earth, and everything in-between, yet can't get some lassie pregnant. A bunch of simpletons , who will all be dead soon. Hopefully their wee sprogs wont be as braindead as their simpleton inbred parents. Oh and you/they surrendered a long time ago, get over it. Edited February 2 by ri Alban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Hurt yourself at the gym again, ausseh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 2 hours ago, PaddysBar said: A shame to see a decent thread (for once) go the usual way. Any before any other bore says it ‘we need more decent threads go the usual way imo’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH11_2NL Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 On 30/01/2024 at 23:44, JimmyCant said: I was a cop in 84. My old man was a miner. You can imagine the conflict in our family and it was never healed up until my dad passed (with a disease caused by mining) I remember well into the strike when things were getting really bad for communities. Groups of us were in what they called ‘Fast Action Response Teams’ FARTs for short. We used to patrol the Lothian hotspots in blacked out vans and got sent to Durham a few times. It was pretty hard for a lot of the working class cops (they were a majority in those days) seeing what was happening to those communities. Seeing the bucket raking at night and just struggling to feed their kids. One of the FART vans (not mine)under cover of darkness and rolling in shameful overtime payments, went to a big supermarket in Edinburgh and loaded up with cheap going out of date stuff. They filled the van so tight, they were sitting on each others knees. They drove to Mayfield (I think it was) might have been Easthouses miners welfare club and unloaded the stuff into the car park and covered it up. Getting back into the van and trying to sneak off anonymously a voice came out of the upstairs window ‘Thanks lads, God Bless you’ they had to grab hold of the guy and swear him to keep his mouth shut about where the stuff had come from. Story didn’t come out till years after the strike and was quickly buried as it didn't suit anyone’s agenda at the time It wasn’t all ‘them against us’ Most cops knew we were being used by Maggie but big huge pay rises a few years earlier made it a bit of a non issue. When you did a picket line and it was just local Lothian miners, it was virtually trouble free and respectful. A but of pushing and shoving but quite disciplined on both sides. Although you knew you were getting a fight some days when the Durham and Yorkshire guys came up. What really stuck in the throat is many of us had to give employment tribunal evidence against guys who had been sacked for being arrested. We just couldn’t help them without perjuring ourselves. That’s my biggest regret, having to do that, but the redundancies took them all out of work within a few years anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 12 hours ago, Tazio said: If you were soup you could stand a spoon up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 22 hours ago, ehcaley said: The strike could have been over in June/July after the Norton House negotiations which Mick played a big part in.It would've seen a return to work and a longer term closure programme .Mick said we could've been back heads held high but the deal was scuppered by Scargill who again wouldn't put it to a vote and by then had visions of revolution.I think most off us saw what was coming when Scargill beat Mick in the leadership contest when Gormley went.I sincerely believe that there wouldn't have been a strike if Mick had won.Old school leader who knew how to negotiate and get a deal that suited everyone.( It's ok to beat the bookie son but dont take his bag as well,was one of his sayings) Loved a wee chat with him when he came out to Tranent Miners,he liked a wee hawf Interesting. Ay thought McGahey was the more hard line - a bona fide communist. Don't know much about the differences between the two or their strategies, just the miners on our supporters bus and other old guys at work always had loads of respect for both McGahey and Scargill. IIRC, Scargill came up to Easthouses or Mayfield a few years back and spoke to a packed hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 17 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Interesting. Ay thought McGahey was the more hard line - a bona fide communist. Don't know much about the differences between the two or their strategies, just the miners on our supporters bus and other old guys at work always had loads of respect for both McGahey and Scargill. IIRC, Scargill came up to Easthouses or Mayfield a few years back and spoke to a packed hall. My auld boy used to say ,mcgahey would have been a better leader of the NUM😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) . Edited February 2 by Japan Jambo not helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Duncan Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 16 hours ago, Nobreath said: I think he's just a troll, or possibly a halfwit. He’s got me searching for Green Brigade membership packs online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 9 minutes ago, Jim_Duncan said: He’s got me searching for Green Brigade membership packs online. @Jeffros Furios will send you one over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 minute ago, il Duce McTarkin said: @Jeffros Furios will send you one over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 On 01/02/2024 at 18:09, the posh bit said: Kids get £30 a week to stay on at school in 2024. Not bad. I did a 40 hour week in Blackford Coachworks for less than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 I remember the NUM were regarded as the vanguard of the Labour movement. It's mental how far away we are from that thought process. The psychology of this country politically is a different planet . It's funny to look back. Best days of my Hearts supporting life in some ways those days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Is the OP on a miners holiday? Or, perhaps taken time off to watch the rugby? 🤷🏿♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 5 hours ago, Ked said: Best days of my Hearts supporting life in some ways those days You probably lifted me over the turnstile at some point, Ked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) I was born in 84 so far too young to remember the various strikes that went on. Having said that, I do read up history, specifically about British Rail (yes, I like trains, I'm still a child). The various unions were absolute in their various grievances, whether they were right or wrong in the way they went about it is a question that will not be answered on this forum. What can be said, and proved with historical evidence is that 'Thatcherism' utterly eviscerated the major manufacturing areas, dropping same into abject poverty and the associated social problems. which means pretty much drawing a horizontal line across the country at Birmingham. Everything north of that line was basically ****** overnight. Anybody that continues to support the Tories in the modern age are thankfully a dying breed. I take no pleasure in saying that, but it's true. As far as the current Tories are concerned, we are two countries. Inside the M25, and outside the M25 Edited February 9 by trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 On 31/01/2024 at 08:19, doddsyJR9 said: I was a young man during the miners strikes, and still vividly remember the enormous effects it had across all spectrums of society at that time. While I admire Thatcher for her many great achievements, the devastation that it took to break the miners strikes, was heartbreaking. Scargill and the green brigade left wing unions used the miners to try to bring down the Tory government, and while they were the main architects of the destruction, I still have grave doubts regarding the endgame of coal production in the UK. What were Thatcher's "many great achievements".....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, trotter said: I was born in 84 so far too young to remember the various strikes that went on. Having said that, I do read up history, specifically about British Rail (yes, I like trains, I'm still a child). The various unions were absolute in their various grievances, whether they were right or wrong in the way they went about it is a question that will not be answered on this forum. What can be said, and proved with historical evidence is that 'Thatcherism' utterly eviscerated the major manufacturing areas, dropping same into abject poverty and the associated social problems. which means pretty much drawing a horizontal line across the country at Birmingham. Everything north of that line was basically ****** overnight. Anybody that continues to support the Tories in the modern age are thankfully a dying breed. I take no pleasure in saying that, but it's true. As far as the current Tories are concerned, we are two countries. Inside the M25, and outside the M25 Unfortunately we have new far right groups emerging in the world, who see the Tories and Republicans in the US, as not extreme enough. While Britain is literally dying on it's feet and becoming less significant in the world, there are elements with no other policy than extreme greed, and they're getting pretty good at it implementing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 20 hours ago, il Duce McTarkin said: You probably lifted me over the turnstile at some point, Ked. I hope so buddy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddsyJR9 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 19 hours ago, Section Q said: What were Thatcher's "many great achievements".....? Number one - preventing communism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 minute ago, doddsyJR9 said: Number one - preventing communism. #2, fecking the Jocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddsyJR9 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Just now, Doctor FinnBarr said: #2, fecking the Jocks Not at all. Look at the mess the snp/greens are making of this great country. They are the ones fecking us over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, doddsyJR9 said: Number one - preventing communism. Where..........? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddsyJR9 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 3 minutes ago, Section Q said: Where..........? Sorry? No disrespect whatsoever, but you're not making any sense. What's your points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 2 hours ago, Doctor FinnBarr said: #2, fecking everyone outside of the M25, specifically, everyone north of about Birmingham FTFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, doddsyJR9 said: Number one - preventing communism. Just want to be sure I'm reading this right, so apologies if I'm being thick. You are equating breaking the unions (with many members that had communist leanings I will grant you), destroying the working class manufacturing industries by selling them off to parties that are more concerned with shareholder dividends than anything else for short term profit, with ensuring wholesale communism didn't take over Britain? You are aware what the actual ideology behind communism is aren't you? The way it has traditionally been implemented (USSR/China/etc) does make it look bad I will admit. But the fundamental Marxist theory behind it is hard to argue with. Why should there be a class-led society where the 5% control the 95% or whatever the number is? Capitalism does have its benefits, there is no doubt in that, but communism would never have allowed the various economic financial shit shows that we have had to go through since 2008 and ruined a lot of people's lives simply because greedy ***** got greedier and there was no checks or balances to stop it. Or are you saying that you don't care about the 'regular' person that actually puts in a days proper graft for their wage? If so, that is getting dangerously close to what in effect would be economic Darwinism - only the strong (rich) survive. You're going to have to explain your logic behind that one for me I'm afraid. Edited February 10 by trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 16 minutes ago, trotter said: Just want to be sure I'm reading this right, so apologies if I'm being thick. You are equating breaking the unions (with many members that had communist leanings I will grant you), destroying the working class manufacturing industries by selling them off to parties that are more concerned with shareholder dividends than anything else for short term profit, with ensuring wholesale communism didn't take over Britain? You are aware what the actual ideology behind communism is aren't you? The way it has traditionally been implemented (USSR/China/etc) does make it look bad I will admit. But the fundamental Marxist theory behind it is hard to argue with. Why should there be a class-led society where the 5% control the 95% or whatever the number is? Capitalism does have its benefits, there is no doubt in that, but communism would never have allowed the various economic financial shit shows that we have had to go through since 2008 and ruined a lot of people's lives simply because greedy ***** got greedier and there was no checks or balances to stop it. Or are you saying that you don't care about the 'regular' person that actually puts in a days proper graft for their wage? If so, that is getting dangerously close to what in effect would be economic Darwinism - only the strong (rich) survive. You're going to have to explain your logic behind that one for me I'm afraid. Good ideology,but human greed always gets in the way😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 4 hours ago, doddsyJR9 said: Not at all. Look at the mess the snp/greens are making of this great country. They are the ones fecking us over. 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 4 hours ago, trotter said: You're going to have to explain your logic behind that one for me I'm afraid. You made a lot of decent points and then went and spoiled it with this👆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 9 hours ago, doddsyJR9 said: Number one - preventing communism. Why? A genuine question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Such an 80s photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the posh bit Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 On 02/02/2024 at 00:06, doddsyJR9 said: Just someone who lived during the poverty stricken, closed shop union green brigades, 1970s, The Scargill's, Jack Jones, Hugh Scanlon's, the NUM, Flying Pickets, 3 day week, Myriad Unions, had the power to shut down Britain, in a heartbeat, and they often did back then. It took someone like Margaret, a grocers daughter to reign them in and modernise Great Britain. It didn't have to be that way, but the socialist green brigades were causing mayhem and misery. On 02/02/2024 at 00:36, doddsyJR9 said: The Green Brigade is simply my referencing the 70's and 80's Unions and socialism, that has republicanism at its core value, they would replace the monarchy, separate Great Britain, everything a hobo seeks. Most people recognise where I come from. All of the Hearts and Rangers supporters who I grew up with had a similar ethos back then. We all believed in the Monarchy, Great Britain and No Surrender to the IRA. Seek help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 11 hours ago, doddsyJR9 said: Sorry? No disrespect whatsoever, but you're not making any sense. What's your points? Who did Thatcher "save" from communism..........? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, Section Q said: Who did Thatcher "save" from communism..........? Probably all of the paedophiles that made up her government. Edited February 10 by Joey J J Jr Shabadoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percival King Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 On 09/02/2024 at 04:16, trotter said: I was born in 84 so far too young to remember the various strikes that went on. Having said that, I do read up history, specifically about British Rail (yes, I like trains, I'm still a child). The various unions were absolute in their various grievances, whether they were right or wrong in the way they went about it is a question that will not be answered on this forum. What can be said, and proved with historical evidence is that 'Thatcherism' utterly eviscerated the major manufacturing areas, dropping same into abject poverty and the associated social problems. which means pretty much drawing a horizontal line across the country at Birmingham. Everything north of that line was basically ****** overnight. Anybody that continues to support the Tories in the modern age are thankfully a dying breed. I take no pleasure in saying that, but it's true. As far as the current Tories are concerned, we are two countries. Inside the M25, and outside the M25 The Tories have been the dominant party at Westminster for most of your life and there's a good chance they'll be so for the rest of your life. Thing is, as bad as they can be and as contemptible some of their behaviour is, we the people continue to elect them. They get voted out for a term or two, regroup and then come back into government with new faces. Difficult to see that changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 29 minutes ago, Percival King said: The Tories have been the dominant party at Westminster for most of your life and there's a good chance they'll be so for the rest of your life. Thing is, as bad as they can be and as contemptible some of their behaviour is, we the people continue to elect them. They get voted out for a term or two, regroup and then come back into government with new faces. Difficult to see that changing. The present government wasn't voted in,or am I missing something 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 4 hours ago, Gundermann said: Such an 80s photo. Looks like they just about got the combover c..ts name wrong and squeezed in r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 4 hours ago, Gundermann said: Such an 80s photo. Do you think the dude is reporting someone has nicked the telephone box door 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 53 minutes ago, henrysmithsgloves said: Do you think the dude is reporting someone has nicked the telephone box door 😁 It's a young Doddsy saving the girls from communism and the Green Brigade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 9 minutes ago, Gundermann said: It's a young Doddsy saving the girls from communism and the Green Brigade. It’s no coincidence that telephone boxes were red until Mrs Thatcher banished them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrysmithsgloves Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Gundermann said: It's a young Doddsy saving the girls from communism and the Green Brigade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trotter Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 10 hours ago, i wish jj was my dad said: You made a lot of decent points and then went and spoiled it with this👆 I challenged his statement with some counterpoints, which you apparently agree with, and then I ask him to explain his thinking because we disagree. How is that a spoiler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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