Hearts Hard Man 11

[periodictabledancer]

3 minutes ago, Luckies1874 said:

 

He only just turned 18 before the first leg against Bayern.

 

Something I guess lost in the midst of time about that tie was that we started 9 players who were 25 and under in those 2 matches. Only Smith and Bannon were older. Additionally 12 out of the 13 who played in each match were Scottish (only Mike Galloway wasn't). 

 

Re McLaren I was at Ibrox for the Scotland v Italy in 1992 when he marked Baggio, a superstar at the time, out of the game in a 0-0. He had the world at his feet at that point but injury did him in. 

100%

He wasn't a hard man, he was a class defender who could've played anywhere. 

[periodictabledancer]

1 minute ago, Tazio said:

Galloway was indeed born in England but he was capped for Scotland. 

He was born in Wales. 

Oswestry. 

[Tazio]

1 minute ago, periodictabledancer said:

He was born in Wales. 

Oswestry. 

Wales, England? It’s all the same to me 🤣

[Tazio]

2 minutes ago, periodictabledancer said:

He was born in Wales. 

Oswestry. 

Just googled it, it’s in Shropshire. Close to Wales. 

[periodictabledancer]

7 minutes ago, Tazio said:

Wales, England? It’s all the same to me 🤣

Fair point. 

[periodictabledancer]

6 minutes ago, Tazio said:

Just googled it, it’s in Shropshire. Close to Wales. 

I've drunk too much tonight.

Oswestry is just down the road. Proper EDL country. 

Got confused by TNS playing there , in league of Wales,  and I've watched them playing in the Scottish Challenge Cup  too. VERY confusing.  

[Luckies1874]

1 minute ago, John Findlay said:

1. Big Zal. RIP.  

 

2. BIG Zal, Craig Levein, Gary Mackay,

    Walter Kidd, John Robertson, Paul Hartley, Michael Stewart, Alan Maybury?, Alex Cochrane?

 

✅ Correct! 

7 red cards for big Zal

 

Good job John! 

 

1. Zaliukas 7

2. McKay 6

3. Robertson 6

4. Levein 6 

5. Kidd 5

6. Hartley 5

7. Stewart 5

8. Maybury 4

9. Cochrane 4 

10.

11.

12.

 

One of the remaining 3 has been in the news this week and had a very infamous red card, one was a good egg and one is the player with 4 reds from before the mid 80's onwards! 

 

 

 

[mitch41]

Alan McLaren Don Murray Pasqual Bruno Neil Pointon

Johnny Cumming Dave Mackay Thomas Brellier

Drew Busby Ian Baird Willie Johnson

 

Goalkeeper probably Gordon Marshall

[stuart500]

Stewart MacLaren (Chopper) was an absolute animal. Certainly took no prisoners! 

[EH11 2NL]

For some of the younger fans, Ian Black. Knocked clean out in a derby, still got up to assist the winning goal.

[Craig_]

5 hours ago, Luckies1874 said:

 

✅ Correct! 

7 red cards for big Zal

 

Good job John! 

 

1. Zaliukas 7

2. McKay 6

3. Robertson 6

4. Levein 6 

5. Kidd 5

6. Hartley 5

7. Stewart 5

8. Maybury 4

9. Cochrane 4 

10.

11.

12.

 

One of the remaining 3 has been in the news this week and had a very infamous red card, one was a good egg and one is the player with 4 reds from before the mid 80's onwards! 

 

 

 

 

Miko? Surely not... 

[Hansel]

No Jamie Hamill?

 

[iantjambo]

Tommi Gronlund?

[Marvin]

6 hours ago, martoon said:

 

Bud Johnston?

 

He probably holds the record at all of his former clubs. 😄

 

Was thinking of him when reading through the thread.

[The Maroon Jacket]

Andy Thorne on loan ?

[feej]

Nerijus Barasa.

[JamboAl1965]

Can’t remember anyone messing with Walter Kidd. 

[Sherbet]

anyone remember don murray

[Radio Ga Ga]

Gregor Stevens?

[Go for it 1308]

9 hours ago, robbogoal said:

I seen a thread on Twitter X whatever and it was talking about hard men of football. 
 

Dave McKay was mentioned as was Neil Disa Pointon. 
 

What’s your Hearts hard man 11 from players you’ve seen?

 

Without much thought I’d go with…

 

GK - no idea

 

Levein

McLaren

Bruno 

 

Mauchlen

 

 

Sandy Clark 

Ian Baird

 

need a wee bit help to add to this…

 

Lol Busby and Bruno would be first on my list....wish we had someone like them now😢

[Deevers]

Some crackers in this list - John Cumming, Dave McKay, Roy Barry, Wattie Kidd, Big Zal and others.  One from the 50s that a few of a certain vintage on here might remember. -   Big Tam McKenzie.  Hard as nails and the only fullback in Scotland that Gordon Smith couldn’t get the better of.

[robbogoal]

Some great replies. I was thinking of players I can remember seeing.  
 

be interesting to do a poll - maybe someone who’s good at that sort of thing could help?

 

oh. And as a laddie I always thought Jimmy sandison was hard. 

[We_are_the_Hearts]

Zico and Berry were the first thoughts. That tackle from Berry on Paul Wright at Easter Road was a thing of beauty. Wright does a somersault, off injured moments later, Robbo double and another Hearts win

[basscom]

Iain Baird liked to leave a bit on the opponent.

 

Also Barasa (the bricklayer) was a bit radge as well.

[Nik5122]

30 minutes ago, Sherbet said:

anyone remember don murray

The man was an absolute beast,and definitely my choice of dirtiest hearts player I've ever seen.

[Chong]

Mahe was always one I thought was quite a hardy lad. 

[Sleepy head]

Surprised nobody has mentioned Jimmy Bone. Or Dave Bowman?

Edited November 15, 2023 by Sleepy head
Addition

[Australis]

Mike Galloway.

Walter Kidd.

 

 

[Sleepy head]

Brian Whittaker could hold his own too. 

[Sleepy head]

BTW.Mike Galloway wasn't hard in civvies. Was more dirty than hard on the park imo.

[Star Lizard]

9 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Levein? Punching a teammate? A hard man has to be able to kick players, without being forced off with an injury. 
Hugh Burns was mental. Rousset was tough for a GK, wasn’t scared of a physical challenge. Stephane Mahe. Mike Galloway. Ian Black. Ryan Stevenson. Salvatori. 
Kyle, Busby and Bruno my favourites. 

Craig Levein was absolutely solid 

[Sid]

no contest.  Drew Busby. Was hard as nails. Went on to Toronto Blizzard. Came back to Morton and broke/nearly broke one of our players leg first game against us at Tynie. 
Proper hard . 

[Auld Reekin']

9 hours ago, martoon said:

 

I believe you're mixing up your McClaren's, bud.

Yep - he’s referring to Alan McLaren, who was an excellent player, whereas I’d been talking about Stewart MacLaren, who wasn’t. 👍

[Auld Reekin']

22 minutes ago, Sid said:

no contest.  Drew Busby. Was hard as nails. Went on to Toronto Blizzard. Came back to Morton and broke/nearly broke one of our players leg first game against us at Tynie. 
Proper hard . 

He crocked Alec McDonald in that game, I’m pretty sure.

[Mikey1874]

9 hours ago, Auld Reekin' said:

 

Stewart MacLaren.

 

First name on team sheet

[Auld Reekin']

1 hour ago, We_are_the_Hearts said:

Zico and Berry were the first thoughts. That tackle from Berry on Paul Wright at Easter Road was a thing of beauty. Wright does a somersault, off injured moments later, Robbo double and another Hearts win

With today’s referees, that game would’ve ended up as a 5-a-side.

[Absolute Scenes]

Joaquim Adao

 

Probably not one many will remember but he was a booking a game 😂

[Pasquale for King]

43 minutes ago, Sooks said:

Craig Levein was absolutely solid 

Not a hard man though, he was the guy that hard men put in the treatment room unfortunately. A cultured CH would be most folks description. 

[Pasquale for King]

5 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said:

Joaquim Adao

 

Probably not one many will remember but he was a booking a game 😂

Good shout 👍🏽

[Pasquale for King]

1 hour ago, Sleepy head said:

Surprised nobody has mentioned Jimmy Bone. Or Dave Bowman?

Another two good shouts 👍🏽👏🏾

[Pasquale for King]

3 hours ago, Hansel said:

No Jamie Hamill?

 

Was going to say him but that choir boy was an easy target 😆

[Pasquale for King]

2 hours ago, Howdy Doody Jambo said:

Andy Thorne on loan ?

Most definitely

[Star Lizard]

7 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Not a hard man though, he was the guy that hard men put in the treatment room unfortunately. A cultured CH would be most folks description. 

No sorry I do not agree . He took absolutely no shit from anyone on the park . You are just blinded by your hatred for the guy imo 

[Malinga the Swinga]

Bruno, Zico (Walter Kidd), Iain Jardine, Dave Mackay, Kevin Kyle, Jimmy Bone and Zal for me.

Forgot Berry, he would also need to be included.

These aren't suicidally violent players, just ones that took no shit on park.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Malinga the Swinga

[We_are_the_Hearts]

10 minutes ago, Sooks said:

No sorry I do not agree . He took absolutely no shit from anyone on the park . You are just blinded by your hatred for the guy imo 

Correct, he could defo handle himself

[Pasquale for King]

10 minutes ago, Sooks said:

No sorry I do not agree . He took absolutely no shit from anyone on the park . You are just blinded by your hatred for the guy imo 

Your second point is correct but the guy could barely make a challenge without being crocked, he ended his career a bad challenge against Dunfermline irc? Maybe just our definitions differ.
I went to both his testimonials and was gutted when he went to Leicester. 
The wasting of millions of our money and the turgid football that ended in our demotion changed my opinion.
But we are allowed to disagree, you will clapping him next Saturday and I will be booing him 😜.

[Star Lizard]

Just now, We_are_the_Hearts said:

Correct, he could defo handle himself

Yip . Whatever someone thinks about him as a manager or director ect, we should not just add other things to the list when they are disingenuous 

 

Great player

Hard bloke

Good manager / poor manager

Terrible director of football

Stubborn and arrogant

 

He divides opinion but most of us are no doubt glad he is no longer involved with Hearts now 

[Star Lizard]

2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Your second point is correct but the guy could barely make a challenge without being crocked, he ended his career a bad challenge against Dunfermline irc? Maybe just our definitions differ.
I went to both his testimonials and was gutted when he went to Leicester. 
The wasting of millions of our money and the turgid football that ended in our demotion changed my opinion.
But we are allowed to disagree, you will clapping him next Saturday and I will be booing him 😜.

No this is all fair . Fair enough mate 

[Crabbosfan]

Big Chuck Roddy McDonald 

[Robbo-Jambo]

10 hours ago, periodictabledancer said:

MacLaren was not a beast , he wasn't a thug, he wasn't a dirty player.

I saw him up close & personal in the Bayern game at Tynecastle : he was class and he didn't give a **** about their stars. IIRC he was 18.

 

He never got the interntational recognition he deserved  either IMO. 

You thinking of Alan.

 

Stewart was never with us an eighteen year old.