RustyRightPeg Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 16 minutes ago, GorgieFifeLife said: Rowles yes. Devlin is a squad player who has severe limitations. I can’t see Atkinson shifting Lembikisa who looks streets ahead of him. Oda and Tagawa have completely failed to make an impact. Did you include Oda beside Tagawa, purely because they're both from Japan? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Oda scored a winning goal a week ago today. He scored against Hibs, and also nicked a winner up in Perth on the first day of the season. It isn't Shankland numbers...but its an impact surely no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.T.K Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: That'll be Scott McKenna signing for Copenhagen. A team in the Champions League. Put that weird rumor to bed. Very weird. Maybe he just wanted quality game time in order to make sure he's in contention to go to the Euros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Torrance Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 22 minutes ago, John Findlay said: He is talking about well before transfer windows were even thought of😉 Ahh, the good old days pre-Bosman. Life was simpler back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 15 minutes ago, GorgieFifeLife said: Popping up with an end result every now and again is not making an impact. He goes missing in games and becomes a man short which is why his game time has been limited. We will be looking to get better options in to improve us. Or he was doing very well, got injured, came back into a team which had changed to wingbacks and he'd lost his position on the wing and has had to adjust, playing WB or up front. Maybe? But has still scored 4 in 14 which in a full season would be around 10 goals, and many of his 14 have been off the bench. And he's 22. Or you could be right and he's simply pish? I hope you're right, cos otherwise it would mean you just talk pish, and that would be a shame for us all to have to come to terms with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme an H... Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 20 minutes ago, busbyfth said: Devlins hard to make out .....great in the engine room but often then just gives the ball away.....re Atkinson - how can we tell when comparing him to the new loanee after very little game time ? Yoda/Tagawa need a number of consecutive starts to show their real worth but arent afforded this due to us having so many similar type players. When will this absolute myth stop being peddled out? The stats (repeatedely posted on here) show he's one of the best passers in the league for ball retention. I'd be keeping Devlin, there is definately a place in the team for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettigrewsstylist Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, RustyRightPeg said: Obviously. 🤣🤣🤣🤣👏👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyK82 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Hibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 28 minutes ago, GorgieFifeLife said: Popping up with an end result every now and again is not making an impact. He goes missing in games and becomes a man short which is why his game time has been limited. We will be looking to get better options in to improve us. That's an outrageously stupid sentence. He literally turned 1 point into 3 points a week ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, Homme said: Hibs Usain Bolt faces running challenge from man with no legs. Pretty much the same level of competition we're talking about here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 5 minutes ago, Gimme an H... said: When will this absolute myth stop being peddled out? The stats (repeatedely posted on here) show he's one of the best passers in the league for ball retention. I'd be keeping Devlin, there is definately a place in the team for him. We’re having a great spell but there was times during games (esp the last two home games when under pressure in the first half ) I thought to myself we could do with Devlin. We could do with his energy, anticipation in closing the ball down, disrupting play. In these times where results are great, absent players start to get dismissed a little too easily imo. It’s said a lot but I do think his work it too easily overlooked. A small part In the greater cog of the team, you need players with the knack to win the ball and make the opposition uneasy in midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Torrance Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 4 minutes ago, MattyK82 said: If we're in a race with Hibs, they're heading to the glue factory. Their source is apparently "it's claimed". Sounds like 🐴 💩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingu Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 5 minutes ago, MattyK82 said: The only *rational* reason to pick Hibs over us would be a better chance of regular first team football. And there are many, many reasons to pick us over them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RENE Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 16 minutes ago, Gimme an H... said: When will this absolute myth stop being peddled out? The stats (repeatedely posted on here) show he's one of the best passers in the league for ball retention. I'd be keeping Devlin, there is definately a place in the team for him. Was just going to post the same thing. Devljn is a just keep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackOfTheNet Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, GorgieFifeLife said: Dhanda is a guaranteed starter. He instantly elevates our creativity which is severely lacking. Naismith is not stupid, he knows fine well that we can’t continue winning long term with poor performances and it will eventually catch up with us. It’s good to see we are bringing in some players who are proven at this level. I’ll more than happily be proven wrong, but I don’t think he is to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.T.K Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 15 minutes ago, Jack Torrance said: If we're in a race with Hibs, they're heading to the glue factory. Their source is apparently "it's claimed". Sounds like 🐴 💩 Source is probally the agent trying to stoke a bidding war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedStarRiot Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 52 minutes ago, GorgieFifeLife said: Popping up with an end result every now and again is not making an impact. This is surely the very definition of having an impact 😂 You mean he impacts games but doesn’t contribute throughout the entire 90 minutes. Edited January 30 by RedStarRiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieFifeLife Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 53 minutes ago, WDJ87 said: Pish, he's 2nd top scorer and got the winner in a 3 goal comeback. Scored against Hibs, scored our first goal of this season ... He disappears in games and becomes a passenger which is why he has not been trusted with more minutes. If he was to move on he wouldn’t be missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieFifeLife Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 55 minutes ago, busbyfth said: Devlins hard to make out .....great in the engine room but often then just gives the ball away.....re Atkinson - how can we tell when comparing him to the new loanee after very little game time ? Yoda/Tagawa need a number of consecutive starts to show their real worth but arent afforded this due to us having so many similar type players. Lembikisa has shown already that he has more to offer than Atkinson but I agree we need to wait a bit to see how it pans out over a longer period. Tagawa is not going to get these consecutive starts as he has shown nothing in the minutes he has had. Oda has shown flashes but not enough overall contribution in games to make him a regular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 28 minutes ago, MattyK82 said: Play for the biggest team in the city, win Edinburgh derbies on a regular basis, play in front of a sold-out stadium every 2nd week and play European football. Or play for Hibs, who are currently *checks notes* 16 points behind us in the league. It’s a tough one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 32 minutes ago, Gimme an H... said: When will this absolute myth stop being peddled out? The stats (repeatedely posted on here) show he's one of the best passers in the league for ball retention. I'd be keeping Devlin, there is definately a place in the team for him. God know's! it's weird to me that Devlin can make 100 successful passes (agreed often sideways or 5-10 yards but thats what a DM does) but they are forgotten while a single, 25 yard ball over the top that doesn't find his man is remembered with crystal clarity for months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieFifeLife Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 57 minutes ago, Chimp said: Agree with this part. Oda completely failing to make an impact is nonsense though. Scored great goals against Hibs and St Johnstone and literally just scored the winner against Dundee the other week. Hot and cold yes and but he's certainly contributed. Also worthwhile remembering his age and the fact he's a winger. Even experienced wingers aren't consistent every game. Yes he has shown in flashes here and there but his overall impact in games is not enough to get him more minutes and be a regular. If he stays long enough this may come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 hours ago, Clerry Jambo said: Sky report both hearts and Hibs in for Penrice To be fair they need a lb more than us but FTH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorgieFifeLife Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 48 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Did you include Oda beside Tagawa, purely because they're both from Japan? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Oda scored a winning goal a week ago today. He scored against Hibs, and also nicked a winner up in Perth on the first day of the season. It isn't Shankland numbers...but its an impact surely no? He has had flashes but what I mean is an overall impact in games and not going missing for large chunks. Hence his lack of game time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We_are_the_Hearts Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 minute ago, GorgieFifeLife said: He has had flashes but what I mean is an overall impact in games and not going missing for large chunks. Hence his lack of game time. Yip and he also is far too safe for a player in that position. Need to see more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Still nothing about Scott Fraser? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suds66 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 33 minutes ago, Homme said: Hibs If Penrice has an ounce of sense there's only one decision he can make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Leitch Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Providing it's not a silly amount I'd be paying to bring Dhanda in now. Gives him 6 months to settle in. A lot to be said for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, Newton51 said: Still nothing about Scott Fraser? He's still up here, but still waiting on green light from Charlton's end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.T.K Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 2 minutes ago, Newton51 said: Still nothing about Scott Fraser? There was something on the recored twitter about him being in "limbo". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 hours ago, OTT said: Used to die inside seeing his name on the teamsheet against the OF. He can't do it in those games. Its not to say he isn't a valuable player against lower end sides, he's scored great goals for us and his creativity is a godsend against teams that sit in. I think Naismith has cottoned onto this though, in our win against Celtic at Parkhead, he was on the bench and pretty much stayed there until very late on. I think under Robbie he'd have started and we'd have lost. Its a shame, and I wonder if its a mentality thing? Edit just for relevance, Dhanda seems to be a big game player from what we've seen of him. Stands out in the games against OF, us, Hibs & Dons. Hopefully will see a measured improvement and the right sort of competition in the squad. The first thing my hun mates said to me when mackay signed, was that he disappears in big games. Cuts it against most average teams but the games you really need him, he doesn't perform. So it's well known, before he signed for us and seems to be accurate, from my point of view anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Is Penrice not a hibs fan? Or was he just a former hibs youth player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambo_Jambo Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 7 minutes ago, Ribble said: God know's! it's weird to me that Devlin can make 100 successful passes (agreed often sideways or 5-10 yards but thats what a DM does) but they are forgotten while a single, 25 yard ball over the top that doesn't find his man is remembered with crystal clarity for months Devlin has, in my opinion, suffered from a lack of balance in midfield. Grant hasn't turned into the player we wanted, Beni hasn't returned to the ability level where he can carry the ball forward effectively and our main creative player in McKay being injured most of the season. He's a classic worker who's job is to harrie the opposition, get the ball and complete a pass to someone who'll do something. If we can get the midfield balance right, he's a really important and good player. For evidence, look how good he was that first half season when Beni was playing at full speed beside him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoGwash Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, GorgieFifeLife said: Popping up with an end result every now and again is not making an impact. He goes missing in games and becomes a man short which is why his game time has been limited. We will be looking to get better options in to improve us. "Popping up" and scoring winning or important goals is the very definition of making an impact. Also, I totally disagree with your characterisation of Devlin. He brings bundles of energy to the team, wins the ball back often high up the pitch creating opportunities and is a much better passer than he gets credit for. I get that this is just a different opinion but I think yours is unfair at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 minute ago, Hansel said: Is Penrice not a hibs fan? Or was he just a former hibs youth player? Sure someone on here said his family were old firm fans. Can’t remember which team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: He's still up here, but still waiting on green light from Charlton's end. What's going there? I appreciate they are looking for a new manager but there must be others involve in the running of the team that can make a decision. Worst case, can Charlton not simply 'recall' him early if the new manager wants him back? Edited January 30 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 48 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Did you include Oda beside Tagawa, purely because they're both from Japan? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Oda scored a winning goal a week ago today. He scored against Hibs, and also nicked a winner up in Perth on the first day of the season. It isn't Shankland numbers...but its an impact surely no? Oda is our third highest goal scorer this season behind Shankland (obviously) and Vargas. Not a lot, but for a player whose playing time has been all over the place not a bad return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 4 hours ago, Deviskan said: Odd, i don’t remember seeing McCann, Colquhoun or Johnston actively avoiding a challenge…actually blatantly backing off. Nor do I remember seeing any of them not tracking back or not showing a bit of guts/fire in the belly. Like it or not, McKay is fairly gutless…he has all the talent in the world, but unfortunately appears to be fairly wishy washy…I can’t ever remember seeing him show any passion on the pitch (normally he even has a fairly blank look on his face). Years ago, Eric Wynalda made a comment about David Beckham and American football coaches. He said look, in Europe, people looked at a young David Beckham and said, holy shit, you can hit a street sign from 40 yards with your right foot, that's incredible, let's figure out a way to use that. In the US, the coaches would have said, that's cute, but that's not real football, let's improve your left foot a bit. What Wynalda wanted was for the US to start acting more like European coaches. Weirdly, it seems like Europe has started acting more like the US. McKay has an ability to make passes that can transform a game with just a few touches. We have very few players with that skill. Granted you can't have someone be a total passenger the rest of the game, but while I realize most on here recognize his value, sometimes it feels like we keep asking why McKay can't tackle like Devlin and why Devlin can't pass like McKay. Devlin's ****ing amazing at tackling and McKay is a magician with his passes. Maybe we want to see them work on the rest of their games a bit but I'd rather have the two of them than two midfielders who were kind of middling at both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 14 minutes ago, Newton51 said: Still nothing about Scott Fraser? I actually forgot all about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboscanbevicius Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: What's going there? I appreciate they are looking for a new manager but there must be others involve in the running of the team that can make a decision. Worst case, can Charlton not simply 'recall' him early if the new manager wants him back? Obviously stalled due to their change of manager. But I do wonder if it’s also because we subsequently had a breakthrough in the Dhanda negotiations. Wonder if we’ll wait til the deadline and only bring Fraser in if we can’t agree an immediate deal for Dhanda. Seems harsh on Fraser but 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leipzig76 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 11 minutes ago, Scott Leitch said: Providing it's not a silly amount I'd be paying to bring Dhanda in now. Gives him 6 months to settle in. A lot to be said for that. The no mark chairman at County said it would take a ridiculous amount for Hearts to get Dhanda in this window.Just wondered, if County get a ridiculous amount from another club does he sign for that club or is he beholden to join us ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 5 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: What's going there? I appreciate they are looking for a new manager but there must be others involve in the running of the team that can make a decision. Worst case, can Charlton not simply 'recall' him early if the new manager wants him back? No idea. We've said we're happy to go to the deadline with it though. Sure one outlet even reported Naismith saying we'll still be interested come the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Just now, leipzig76 said: The no mark chairman at County said it would take a ridiculous amount for Hearts to get Dhanda in this window.Just wondered, if County get a ridiculous amount from another club does he sign for that club or is he beholden to join us ? Clubs that consider signing a player who has signed a pre-contract with another club should also tread carefully, as the club and the player would be jointly and severally liable for any compensation payable if the player is found to have breached the pre-contract without just cause (Article 17(2) of FIFA’s Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players 2012). Sporting sanctions can also be imposed on the club for inducing the player to breach the pre-contract as there is a presumption, unless established to the contrary, “that any club signing a professional who has terminated his contract without just cause has induced that professional to commit a breach” (Article 17(4) of FIFA’s Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 10 minutes ago, I.T.K said: There was something on the recored twitter about him being in "limbo". Does "limbo" have a one or two football clubs? Wonder which one he will choose 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 8 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: What's going there? I appreciate they are looking for a new manager but there must be others involve in the running of the team that can make a decision. Worst case, can Charlton not simply 'recall' him early if the new manager wants him back? Fraser is seemingly desperate to come back up the road with his Mrs having moved back up a while ago so he's not the reason. My guess would be that off the back of Charlton mucking Motherwell around as soon as we were interested that they are now using teh change in manager as an excuse to wait right to the end of the window before sending him to us, just in case the likes of Hibs or the Sheep come in and offer to pay more of his wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Depends who we are playing who starts and who doesn't. Think folk might need to cool their jets on Dhanda a bit or end up bitterly disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 3 minutes ago, Lord Beni of Gorgie said: Depends who we are playing who starts and who doesn't. Think folk might need to cool their jets on Dhanda a bit or end up bitterly disappointed. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Just now, Agentjambo said: Why? You only need to read the shite about Barrie McKay to understand why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May one-six Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 19 minutes ago, Cambo_Jambo said: Devlin has, in my opinion, suffered from a lack of balance in midfield. Grant hasn't turned into the player we wanted, Beni hasn't returned to the ability level where he can carry the ball forward effectively and our main creative player in McKay being injured most of the season. He's a classic worker who's job is to harrie the opposition, get the ball and complete a pass to someone who'll do something. If we can get the midfield balance right, he's a really important and good player. For evidence, look how good he was that first half season when Beni was playing at full speed beside him. Cammy Devlin is a great player for us to have in the squad. I don't get it with some fans - they seem to need slag off players for the flimsiest of reasons. The myth about Devlin's poor passing has been pushed by a few for some time now. It's garbage. I know one thing for sure - I'd rather have him playing for us than against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.T.K Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 13 minutes ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said: Does "limbo" have a one or two football clubs? Wonder which one he will choose 😉 I never clicked the link. Fraser was not in the Charlton squad for the game last weekend. I would take this as a sign that he is still out of favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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