youngy1874 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Since Naismith, McAvoy or whoever is in charge has came in our record is 5 wins in 14 competative games in all competitions W5 D4 L5 Β Now prior to Neilson being sacked his last 14 games in all competitions was W6 D1 L7 so he actually won more, granted he lost more also. Β But it begs the question, are we any better off with our new management team? Β Stats suggest not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WageThief Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Needed yet another thread right enough π Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungalow Bill Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 No weβre not.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngy1874 Posted August 28, 2023 Author Share Posted August 28, 2023 Just now, WageThief said: Needed yet another thread right enough π Well merge it then,Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Well worth blowing a stagnant account on this.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, youngy1874 said: Since Naismith, McAvoy or whoever is in charge has came in our record is 5 wins in 14 competative games in all competitions W5 D4 L5 Β Now prior to Neilson being sacked his last 14 games in all competitions was W6 D1 L7 so he actually won more, granted he lost more also. Β But it begs the question, are we any better off with our new management team? Β Stats suggest not really. About the same, but we can maybe wait a bit longer before we can probably judge tbh.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngy1874 Posted August 28, 2023 Author Share Posted August 28, 2023 Just now, Malinga the Swinga said: Well worth blowing a stagnant account on this.Β Why because I haven't posted in ages. I generally read and don't post a lot. @cookieboyΒ can verify who I am. Season ticket for over 18 yearsΒ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 The idea that the way to assess the current team/management is by comparison to how we were doing under Neilson is alive and well on multiple threads at the moment. Being pushed by those who want to attack and defend the current state of things. Β I just don't see the point. Assess the current situation on its own merits. Performances in the league have been poor. Performances in Europe and in the League Cup have been better. But it is still very early days. It is too early to know whether this is just the management and squad finding their feet before making significant improvements or a sign of worse to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Well worth blowing a stagnant account on this.Β Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db211833 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Hibs x2, Aberdeen, Rangers, Celtic, Rosenborg x2, PAOK. Not the easiest startΒ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db211833 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Saint Jambo said: The idea that the way to assess the current team/management is by comparison to how we were doing under Neilson is alive and well on multiple threads at the moment. Being pushed by those who want to attack and defend the current state of things. Β I just don't see the point. Assess the current situation on its own merits. Performances in the league have been poor. Performances in Europe and in the League Cup have been better. But it is still very early days. It is too early to know whether this is just the management and squad finding their feet before making significant improvements or a sign of worse to come. Balanced, measured,Β intelligent and accurate.Β Never catch on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 minute ago, db211833 said: Hibs x2, Aberdeen, Rangers, Celtic, Rosenborg x2, PAOK. Not the easiest startΒ Β Well that is quite the selective list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db211833 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Just now, Saint Jambo said: Well that is quite the selective list. The OP mentioned 14 fixtures.Β That's 8 of them, hard fixtures. No idea what RN fixtures were. But like you say it's irrelevant comparing the 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, db211833 said: The OP mentioned 14 fixtures.Β That's 8 of them, hard fixtures. No idea what RN fixtures were. But like you say it's irrelevant comparing the 2. Β True. There have been plenty of difficult games. Equally results and performances in the 'easier' games have not been great.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley_ Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, db211833 said: The OP mentioned 14 fixtures.Β That's 8 of them, hard fixtures. No idea what RN fixtures were. But like you say it's irrelevant comparing the 2. Neilson: Won - H v St. Mirren, H v Aberdeen, A v Hibs, H v Dundee United, A v Hamilton, H v St. Johnstone Drew - A v Livingston Lost - H v Rangers, A v Motherwell, A v Celtic, H v Celtic, A v Aberdeen, A v Kilmarnock, H v St, Mirren Β Naismith & McAvoy: Won - H v Ross County, H v Aberdeen, A v St. Johnstone, H v Rosenborg, H v Partick Thistle Drew - A v St. Mirren, A v Rangers, H v Hibs, H v Kilmarnock Lost - A v Hibs, H v Celtic, A v Rosenborg, H v PAOK, A v Dundee Edited August 28, 2023 by Stanley_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngy1874 Posted August 28, 2023 Author Share Posted August 28, 2023 I was only pointing out that the currebt management set up have a win ratio of 35%. You can say it's only a small sample size, or you can say it was against tougher opposition buy ultimately 5 wins in 14 I don't think is good enough. Β When I compared it with Neilson I was pointing out that the board felt 6 wins in 14 was enough to warrant a sacking. Granted 6 or 7 defeats in a row ultimately done that.Β Β People have opinions, not everyone had to agree. I Was merely pointing out alour current win/draw/loss since the new management came in and I just don't think it's good enough. Β Β Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 They are all shite but Budge and the Weegie Lard Arse are happy as they were comfortable hires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Saint Jambo said: The idea that the way to assess the current team/management is by comparison to how we were doing under Neilson is alive and well on multiple threads at the moment. Being pushed by those who want to attack and defend the current state of things. Β I just don't see the point. Assess the current situation on its own merits. Performances in the league have been poor. Performances in Europe and in the League Cup have been better. But it is still very early days. It is too early to know whether this is just the management and squad finding their feet before making significant improvements or a sign of worse to come. Agreed. A valid criticism to make is that the squad wasnβt ready for the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, youngy1874 said: I was only pointing out that the currebt management set up have a win ratio of 35%. You can say it's only a small sample size, or you can say it was against tougher opposition buy ultimately 5 wins in 14 I don't think is good enough. Β When I compared it with Neilson I was pointing out that the board felt 6 wins in 14 was enough to warrant a sacking. Granted 6 or 7 defeats in a row ultimately done that.Β Β People have opinions, not everyone had to agree. I Was merely pointing out alour current win/draw/loss since the new management came in and I just don't think it's good enough. Β Β Β Last seasons results are meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardyβs Dug Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 minute ago, McCrae said: Agreed. A valid criticism to make is that the squad wasnβt ready for the start of the season. Indeed. But that was shouted down on here as well and is stillβ¦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Naismiths fixtures - Hibs x2, Rangers, Celtic, Rosenborg x2, PAOK, Aberdeen, St Mirren, Ross County, St Johnstone, Partick, Killie, Dundee Β good performances - Partick, Aberdeen, Ross County, Rosenborg (H) Β acceptable performances - Hibs (H), St Johnstone, Rangers, St Mirren Β Played well enough but didnβt get result - Celtic, PAOK Β Poor performances - Dundee, Killie, Hibs (a), Rosenborg (a) Β 4 out of 14 poor performances. Hibs was his first game and Rosenborg we won the tie. Can understand the concerns with yesterday but needs a couple more months before we can fully judge.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngy1874 Posted August 28, 2023 Author Share Posted August 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Stanley_ said: Neilson: Won - H v St. Mirren, H v Aberdeen, A v Hibs, H v Dundee United, A v Hamilton, H v St. Johnstone Drew - A v Livingston Lost - H v Rangers, A v Motherwell, A v Celtic, H v Celtic, A v Aberdeen, A v Kilmarnock, H v St, Mirren Β Naismith & McAvoy: Won - H v Ross County, H v Aberdeen, A v St. Johnstone, H v Rosenborg, H v Partick Thistle Drew - A v St. Mirren, A v Rangers, H v Hibs, H v Kilmarnock Lost - A v Hibs, H v Celtic, A v Rosenborg, H v PAOK, A v Dundee I genuinly don't think there's a great deal between those lists. Rosenborg A wheb you take into account there standard over the 2 legs are more equivelant to an Aberdeen where you would likely see us win at home and probably lose or draw away. Certainly not OF standard. PAOK are probably somewhere in between Aberdeen and an OF standard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Robbie was shite and not up to standard, a bit like the OP πππ Β Pop off to .net and debate with the other mutants whether it should be Lennon or Pep ππΌ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngy1874 Posted August 28, 2023 Author Share Posted August 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, McCrae said: Last seasons results are meaningless. How can they be meaningless wheb the current management team were in charge for the final games of the season in which we were trying to achieve 3rd place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngy1874 Posted August 28, 2023 Author Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Armageddon said: Robbie was shite and not up to standard, a bit like the OP πππ Β Pop off to .net and debate with the other mutants whether it should be Lennon or Pep ππΌ Ohh here we go, as I have an opinion you don't agree with I must be Hibs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngy1874 Posted August 28, 2023 Author Share Posted August 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Armageddon said: Robbie was shite and not up to standard, a bit like the OP πππ Β Pop off to .net and debate with the other mutants whether it should be Lennon or Pep ππΌ As I said I don't post much, but do my previous posts look like I'm a Hibs fan when I'm taking about my dad helping a fellow Jambo thay was seriously hurt? Β Game was Hamilton away September 2017, we won 2-1 Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, Armageddon said: Robbie was shite and not up to standard, a bit like the OP πππ Β Pop off to .net and debate with the other mutants whether it should be Lennon or Pep ππΌ Β Is the current set up heading to Hampden and a 3rd place finish? Seems unlikely so far ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Reynolds Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Β Is the current set up heading to Hampden and a 3rd place finish? Seems unlikely so far ... Β Already bettered his league cup performance tbf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Just now, Dennis Reynolds said: Β Already bettered his league cup performance tbf. Aye, very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, youngy1874 said: How can they be meaningless wheb the current management team were in charge for the final games of the season in which we were trying to achieve 3rd place? Naismith was just a caretaker manager. This seasons results are what we should focus on. Edited August 28, 2023 by McCrae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCrae Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Β Is the current set up heading to Hampden and a 3rd place finish? Seems unlikely so far ... I am confident we will get 3rd this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, McCrae said: I am confident we will get 3rd this season. We'd really need Beni back to his best and Halkett back fit for that, I think? We can't finish 3rd playing defenders at central midfield.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Replacing Bob with a better manager was always going to be a challenge,Β we failed miserably last time,Β jury is still out this time. Β The start is very average,Β but it is just a start. Β We're a Midfielder or 2 from being a good team imo, but we will have our share of poor results and we won't hit the heights some demand. Β Β Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the posh bit Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, McCrae said: I am confident we will get 3rd this season. Β Β No you're not.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Rudi Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 33 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said: Β Already bettered his league cup performance tbf. And one win away already. Just another two to at least match previous incumbent. Not a high bar tbf.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Alternatively this seasonΒ Β Entered three competitions Β Progressed in UEFA Conference League to next round Β Progressed in SPFL League Cup to next round Β A win , a draw and a loss in the SPFL Premiership Β League form is where we are doing poorly but even then we are not alone . We are bang average and need to pick it up , but it is very early doorsΒ Β Two teams with vastly greater resources than us are struggling to juggle three competitions as well , in fact one of them is struggling juggle just two . Some seasons we do well in the league and fall at the first hurdle in Europe and the league cup . This season we seem to be doing average in the league and a bit better in the league cup and Europe so far . Not the time to panic imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Players are more important than management. Always been the case always will be the case.Β Β We have got 1 problem of CB which in Kent we have improved. Β Possibly we now have a better option for RB than the defensively soft Atkinson as well.Β Β We unfortunately have not solved the midfield situation after the failures of Kio Grant and Snodgrass.Β Β This season irrespective whether it was Robbie, Naismith or some other coach, our problems came down to playing personnel first & foremost. Players are more important than anything managers do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 14 hours ago, WageThief said: Needed yet another thread right enough π Β Β It's the most important stat at the club so fair enough if the boy wants to raise it,your popping round the forum defending the club at every poster who is not happy with the running of the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortyBeach Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 12 hours ago, Bazzas right boot said: Replacing Bob with a better manager was always going to be a challenge,Β we failed miserably last time,Β jury is still out this time. Β The start is very average,Β but it is just a start. Β We're a Midfielder or 2 from being a good team imo, but we will have our share of poor results and we won't hit the heights some demand. Β Β Β Fair and balanced statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooks Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Leveins Battalion said: Β Β It's the most important stat at the club so fair enough if the boy wants to raise it,your popping round the forum defending the club at every poster who is not happy with the running of the club. Youre popping round the forum , silage spreading negativity and hyperboleΒ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieboy Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 On 28/08/2023 at 20:21, youngy1874 said: Why because I haven't posted in ages. I generally read and don't post a lot. @cookieboyΒ can verify who I am. Season ticket for over 18 yearsΒ people doubting your credentials mate ? if only they knew .Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jager man Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 How can you compare mid-season results of Neilson with Naismith's record? If you look at Neilson' record for the same time period the year before (top six end of season matches until league Cup exit off Kilmarnock the next season ) then find he was considerably worse.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placid Casual Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 On 28/08/2023 at 20:37, Saint Jambo said: The idea that the way to assess the current team/management is by comparison to how we were doing under Neilson is alive and well on multiple threads at the moment. Being pushed by those who want to attack and defend the current state of things. Β I just don't see the point. Assess the current situation on its own merits. Performances in the league have been poor. Performances in Europe and in the League Cup have been better. But it is still very early days. It is too early to know whether this is just the management and squad finding their feet before making significant improvements or a sign of worse to come. This. Itβs ridiculous to judge Naismith at such an early stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 Are the new management not allowed time like who went before them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy T Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 I would say Naismith is getting more out of basically the same set of players than Neilson was getting prior to being sacked. They were absolutely dire for months. Β We donβt have a midfield so anything is a bit of a bonus at the moment, recruitment has failed the manager again in this window if they donβt sort this out in the next few days.Β Β Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 When you continue to recruit from the markets we are there is a settling in it seems for almost everyone, exacerbated by recruiting so late. It seems to be an accepted trade off for a slow start. We're like a horse facing backwards in the stalls and the gun's gone off.Β Β I don't know what we are doing in midfield, though. With depleted resources in there, we still play only 2. You'd think 3 would have more chance of supplying to 3 forward players than 2 to 4.Β Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentjambo Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 23 hours ago, McCrae said: I am confident we will get 3rd this season. Based on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 20 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: Are the new management not allowed time like who went before them? Β It is far too early to be discussing Naismith being sacked in my opinion. Β But let's not pretend this is different to what happened with previous managers. I just checked the 'Official Neilson Out' thread that ran for 230 pages. It was started on the very same day he lost his first game. That was despite the fact he had won his first 8 competitive games of the season before that, including beating Hibs in the Scottish Cup semi-final. Β Comparisons to previous managers aren't really helpful. Regardless of the fact a section of our support was on Neilson's back from the moment he returned and we're calling for him to be sacked from his very first defeat, that still doesn't make it any more sensible to be thinking about sacking Naismith at this stage in my opinion. The board have backed him in the transfer market and I think he needs to be given time to get things right. But other fans will have a different view and are entitled to that (regardless of what their view was of previous managers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 On 28/08/2023 at 20:15, youngy1874 said: Since Naismith, McAvoy or whoever is in charge has came in our record is 5 wins in 14 competative games in all competitions W5 D4 L5 Β Now prior to Neilson being sacked his last 14 games in all competitions was W6 D1 L7 so he actually won more, granted he lost more also. Β But it begs the question, are we any better off with our new management team? Β Stats suggest not really. I suggest the draws may say your talking keek! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Agentjambo said: Based on? Bias! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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