XB52 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 hour ago, tightrope said: Who said it was? The legislation is. You said the below so presumed the charlatans were the SNP. These charlatans will make the figures say what they want. I'm done with the SNP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 The trouble with this sort of thing is it takes decades to figure out whether it's effective or not. Much as with the drugs deaths, we're looking at a cumulative effect of years of addiction, and a policy in 2018 isn't going to have achieved much yet. Obviously the key is to address the causes of poverty and inequality, but that would require co-ordinated (and no doubt expensive) action from both Holyrood and Westminster, neither of which seem to have the stomach for such radical change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedy Jambo Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Wine & Spirits are going up now too. My beers are supposed to come down, but they've actually just went up again, knobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All roads lead to Gorgie Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 42 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said: Wine & Spirits are going up now too. My beers are supposed to come down, but they've actually just went up again, knobs. Interesting beer 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day@theraces Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Most corner shops I frequent in Edinburgh don't seem to subscribe to the 50p unit price. For example a good number of shops sell knights cider for example at the £1.60 - £1.75 range for a can that has 4.2 units. Technically it should be sold for £2.10 at a minimum. I remember the good old days where you could get 3 litres of frosty jacks for £3 at 22 units. Under 15 pence a unit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day@theraces Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 On 20/07/2023 at 15:16, tightrope said: I was told by a friend who is in the know, that alcohol related deaths, and deaths caused by the effects of drinking alcohol are a bit off. For instance if I fell off a ladder after having a pint of shandy, I would be an alcohol related death and included in the figures. However cirrhosis figures would take ten years to evaluate any success. It's just a tax. Education and help would be the way forward but that would cost. No different to Covid related deatha then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedy Jambo Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Day@theraces said: Most corner shops I frequent in Edinburgh don't seem to subscribe to the 50p unit price. For example a good number of shops sell knights cider for example at the £1.60 - £1.75 range for a can that has 4.2 units. Technically it should be sold for £2.10 at a minimum. I remember the good old days where you could get 3 litres of frosty jacks for £3 at 22 units. Under 15 pence a unit Yeah, they live by their own rules, I have to deal with them on a daily basis through my work. p.s, I wouldn't drink that horrible stuff if it was free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBE Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Another 15p added to the minimum unit of alcohol...Berwick just got a lot closer...🍾 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Anyone who thinks really expensive booze stops people drinking just needs to visit any town in Scandinavia at the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 19 minutes ago, OBE said: Another 15p added to the minimum unit of alcohol...Berwick just got a lot closer...🍾 Another joke. It's already out there that it has very minimal effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 How will people cope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jazz Emu Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 I’m dreading this price hike affecting my Babycham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 2 minutes ago, The Jazz Emu said: I’m dreading this price hike affecting my Babycham. Move onto Advocaat & lemonade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jazz Emu Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 3 minutes ago, FWJ said: Move onto Advocaat & lemonade. Ooh! I simply love a Snowball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Aaaah. Life was simpler before alcopops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Ga Ga Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 That’s the SNP for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 8 minutes ago, Radio Ga Ga said: None whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 The people that need the drink will just buy drink instead of food then shoplift their food Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBE Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 25 minutes ago, The Jazz Emu said: I’m dreading this price hike affecting my Babycham. Listerine moothwash taste's better than Babycham... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 They really want to sook the life out of Scotland . Mismanaged budgets and we pay the price . Ofcourse they will pretend it’s an initiative to tackle alcoholism when the research has indicated it has had no significant impact . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, JudyJudyJudy said: They really want to sook the life out of Scotland . Mismanaged budgets and we pay the price . Ofcourse they will pretend it’s an initiative to tackle alcoholism when the research has indicated it has had no significant impact . This plus paying higher tax ect has probably just rubber stamped a labour win when it comes round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, theshed said: This plus paying higher tax ect has probably just rubber stamped a labour win when it comes round Hopefully . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 17 minutes ago, theshed said: That’s the SNP for you Not really. Labour abstained in Scotland but implemented it in Wales. Make of that what you will. Quote The Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) (Scotland) Act was passed by the Scottish Parliament in May 2012 and received Royal Assent the following month. The law was passed with support from the Scottish National Party; the Conservatives; the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party. The Labour Party abstained in the vote. https://www.alcohol-focus-scotland.org.uk/media/59947/Minimum-pricing-judgement-briefing.pdf Edited February 8 by Gundermann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 3 minutes ago, Gundermann said: Not really. Labour abstained in Scotland but implemented it in Wales. Make of that what you will. https://www.alcohol-focus-scotland.org.uk/media/59947/Minimum-pricing-judgement-briefing.pdf They are still leading the charge . They are the majority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 10 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: They really want to sook the life out of Scotland . Mismanaged budgets and we pay the price . Ofcourse they will pretend it’s an initiative to tackle alcoholism when the research has indicated it has had no significant impact . The government don’t get the extra money raised, the retailers do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBE Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 5 minutes ago, FWJ said: The government don’t get the extra money raised, the retailers do. Michelle Mone got a Bodega?... Edited February 8 by OBE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 4 minutes ago, FWJ said: The government don’t get the extra money raised, the retailers do. Oh ok that’s ok then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 3 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: Oh ok that’s ok then I don’t know if it’s ok or not (I don’t think it works) but it’s not being done to raise money for the government. If it were to work it would save the government - and so us - money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said: Another joke. It's already out there that it has very minimal effect Overall, the report claimed MUP "had a positive impact on health outcomes, including addressing alcohol-related health inequalities". Based on comparisons with England, the analysis estimated there were 13.4% fewer deaths related to alcohol in Scotland than would have happened without the policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 5 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: Overall, the report claimed MUP "had a positive impact on health outcomes, including addressing alcohol-related health inequalities". Based on comparisons with England, the analysis estimated there were 13.4% fewer deaths related to alcohol in Scotland than would have happened without the policy. Don't believe all you read and only believe half of what you see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 49 minutes ago, FWJ said: The government don’t get the extra money raised, the retailers do. That's the bit that I object to. Extra money should go to the NHS. Otherwise, when it comes to pricing, the big corporations like Diageo and Moet Hennessy are making big profits. Likewise, most of the cost of our drink goes to the black hole that is the UK gov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 55 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said: They are still leading the charge . They are the majority Interesting you credit them with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Radio Ga Ga said: To be fair absolutely no-one should be drinking a £6 bottle of red wine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, FWJ said: The government don’t get the extra money raised, the retailers do. eeh? tell me that's not true? Absolutely bonkers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 13 minutes ago, Gundermann said: That's the bit that I object to. Extra money should go to the NHS. Otherwise, when it comes to pricing, the big corporations like Diageo and Moet Hennessy are making big profits. Likewise, most of the cost of our drink goes to the black hole that is the UK gov. That 31.64 per litre makes no sense and contradicts the 11.50 indicated on the slide on the right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Ga Ga Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 16 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said: That 31.64 per litre makes no sense and contradicts the 11.50 indicated on the slide on the right... Correct, they were selling litre bottles at Christmas for around £22 (blends) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 44 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said: That 31.64 per litre makes no sense and contradicts the 11.50 indicated on the slide on the right... its misleading, the 31.64 is for oure alcohol per litre. i.e. for every litre of alcohol the duty is £31.64. e.g. a 1 litre bottle of 40% whisky would have 31.64*0.4= £12.66 in duty applied to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, milky_26 said: its misleading, the 31.64 is for oure alcohol per litre. i.e. for every litre of alcohol the duty is £31.64. e.g. a 1 litre bottle of 40% whisky would have 31.64*0.4= £12.66 in duty applied to it. Ah thanks, that makes more sense. Quite a lot already really but if the idea is to push the price up for health benefits then presumably the SNP ought to be lobbying the government to increase this so that society benefits through tax take and not big business? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightrope Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 3 hours ago, theshed said: This plus paying higher tax ect has probably just rubber stamped a labour win when it comes round Well as an ex member, its labour for me now. Another tax on the working man. Disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Snp killjoys at it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundermann Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 21 minutes ago, tightrope said: Well as an ex member, its labour for me now. Another tax on the working man. Disgrace. Labour are doing this in Wales ffs. And, have they promised to lower duty when in power? I don't object to MUP as such but think it should be ringfenced for health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 3 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said: They really want to sook the life out of Scotland . Mismanaged budgets and we pay the price . Ofcourse they will pretend it’s an initiative to tackle alcoholism when the research has indicated it has had no significant impact . Typical of that shower. Those that have a problem will probably save on their food to absorb the increase on the hooch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 I'm going to stop feeding the kids for Henry Westons vintage cider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Still determined to being Scotland to its knees, before they are kicked out. Do as much damage as they can, so no political party can fix it. Or it takes them decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo_Gaz Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Push it through and don't stop and listen to any feedback that doesn't fit their narrative. Thats the SNP for you. how long before they push for a complete alcohol ban? I'm not even joking. I'm sure they would love to try with their nanny state minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightrope Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Gundermann said: Labour are doing this in Wales ffs. And, have they promised to lower duty when in power? I don't object to MUP as such but think it should be ringfenced for health. It's nothing more than a tax on the working man. Why should I pay for the problems of a very small minority. Look at the numbers involved. It's a vanity project. My Labour list MSP has stated that they are against it. Sarah Boyack. Look at the numbers ffs. BTW if someone falls and dies coming out of the pub, it's counted as an alcohol related death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 4 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said: Overall, the report claimed MUP "had a positive impact on health outcomes, including addressing alcohol-related health inequalities". Based on comparisons with England, the analysis estimated there were 13.4% fewer deaths related to alcohol in Scotland than would have happened without the policy. Well done SNP. ❤️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnybob72 Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, tightrope said: It's nothing more than a tax on the working man. Why should I pay for the problems of a very small minority. Look at the numbers involved. It's a vanity project. My Labour list MSP has stated that they are against it. Sarah Boyack. Look at the numbers ffs. BTW if someone falls and dies coming out of the pub, it's counted as an alcohol related death. If you fall and die coming out of an airport does that count as an air travel death? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddsyJR9 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Who does it hit the most in society, - a) those who struggle to get by? or b) those who don't care about a few quid more on their weekly shop? And, a) avoid the question above if you are snp/green, or b) answer the question if you care about the poorest in society who struggle to get by. Is it temperance for the poorest that the snp/greens want. Or are they all Michael Matheson;s who only think the taxpayer exists for those who are above the law? Answers on a postcard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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