pointon Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Love big Craig but he has been far from convincing lately it’s time for Zander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snedds76 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Gordon has been poor for a good few weeks now, poor distribution, poor commanding of his 6 yard box.... Time for Clark to step in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Not for me. Craig plays on Thursday as a win is worth a lot of money. He plays on Sunday because it's massive league wise. The time for Clark will be if CG gets injured or we play a diddy in the Scottish at home or at the very very least when we have our backline a lot stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherbet Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 He has to command the 6 yd box but stays on his line. Coaching ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Sherbet said: He has to command the 6 yd box but stays on his line. Coaching ? Always been his way, isn’t going to change now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzyonthefence Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sherbet said: He has to command the 6 yd box but stays on his line. Coaching ? He’s been like that for 20 years, coaching isn’t going to change that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherbet Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Fozzyonthefence said: He’s been like that for 20 years, coaching isn’t going to change that! Show him a video of cruickie how a goalkeeper smaller than him by a good few inches can control.a box Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Clark in? Or Gordon oot? I do think Clark is a very good keeper, but **** me . Gordon OOt is a bit much. It's the central of defence that is the issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Loblaw Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Clark is a good backup and will get a chance. But Gordon has been outstanding for 2 years, he deserves more than folk clambering to take him out when he's had a few iffy moments behind a dodgy defence. Would Clark really fare better when exposed like Craig has been? Just last week he made 3 great saves against Aberdeen. He's our best goalie, probably best player and our captain. The upcoming games are too important to **** about with, especially when we are lacking quality in other areas through injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Clarke is going to need to get minutes eventually. He’s a good keeper and it’s not like we’re benching Craig for Ross Stewart. I think Gordon deserves a rest, his form hasn’t been to his usual standards but he’s playing all the time. At nearly 40, it’s maybe worth giving him a wee rest just so he can spend a bit of time with his family and recover properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 11 minutes ago, Sherbet said: Show him a video of cruickie how a goalkeeper smaller than him by a good few inches can control.a box This. Gordon's distribution has always been suss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Loblaw Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Folk taking about a rest as well, we are only 4 weeks away from a month's break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bob Loblaw said: Folk taking about a rest as well, we are only 4 weeks away from a month's break. Think they're just being polite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 With a makeshift back line as poor as ours are in the air you need your keeper to be commanding and coming and taking crosses in the box. anything in or around the 6 yd box is 100 percent a keepers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dsjambo Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, Sherbet said: Show him a video of cruickie how a goalkeeper smaller than him by a good few inches can control.a box Cruickshank was my first hero as a kid, worth about 20 points a season back then, he was a great shot stopper, best around at the time but he never dominated his 6 yard box to any extent. Quite the opposite in fact. His kicking wasn’t his strength either but not a big issue as it was way before the pass back rule came in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philfigo Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 I think after the Euro match on Thursday we should give Gordon a rest as he has not been himself last few weeks, still makes top saves. I feel like he is Capitan and knows how vulnerable our defence is to crosses but refuses to come and punch away any ball. Think he should be looking at putting the team first and get out from at least some of those crosses just give it a try. Some of the crosses are right on the 6 yard line and he's a big tall fellow. Kicking is just getting worse by the game. I am sure after a good rest he would be back to his best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Big Craig is phenomal, but maybe he’s feeling the pressure of holding together that makeshift back I like, maybe he’s knackered with the new baby. either way. Zander I think deserves a wee start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Leitch Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 No no no no and that again. Ok Craig has cost us a goal or 3 this season but he was also the reason we finished 3rd last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) CG is the man. I love him. But there's no hiding from the fact that he should have done better at several goals we've conceded recently and that he looks demotivated and dare I say it, tired. I'd still play him v Riga, but then I'd play Zander v Ross County and possibly Motherwell too. Edited October 22, 2022 by Batistuta87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendoll Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 I'd play him Thurs given the financial bonus of winning, but tell him tomorrow that's his last game until after the World Cup. Don't even have him on the bench. He's a new father, let him spend time with the family, and let him have sleep when he can. My 3 year old still doesn't sleep the whole night, let him be a dad for a wee while, recharge the aging batteries, and let him come back fresh for a big turn of the year. Clark is more than capable of holding the Fort, boys a Scottish international and proven at our level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherbet Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, Dsjambo said: Cruickshank was my first hero as a kid, worth about 20 points a season back then, he was a great shot stopper, best around at the time but he never dominated his 6 yard box to any extent. Quite the opposite in fact. His kicking wasn’t his strength either but not a big issue as it was way before the pass back rule came in. Sorry think cruickie did command the 6 yd box. He came for crosses which modern day keepers stand and eatch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armageddon Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Gordon stays. Anyone else rounds on Gordon is a Hobo tramp IMO, trying to drum up an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, Kendoll said: I'd play him Thurs given the financial bonus of winning, but tell him tomorrow that's his last game until after the World Cup. Don't even have him on the bench. He's a new father, let him spend time with the family, and let him have sleep when he can. My 3 year old still doesn't sleep the whole night, let him be a dad for a wee while, recharge the aging batteries, and let him come back fresh for a big turn of the year. Clark is more than capable of holding the Fort, boys a Scottish international and proven at our level. Thats actually very sensible, we should do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Dropping Gordon 🤣🤣🤣 this place is mental. Probably the same folk that said Boyce was useless cause he didn’t hit 20 goals a season. Or the ones that wanted Halkett dropped. these folk probably still don’t appreciate what Boyce brings to the team. Jesus wept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedBoy Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Never comes for a corner. The biggest weakness in his game, apart from his right foot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sherbet said: He has to command the 6 yd box but stays on his line. Coaching ? He’s done that throughout his career. the one flaw which stops him from being truly world class. Other goalkeepers might have come for the cross Giakomakis scored from today and just cleaned it out. We concede too many from balls into our box. Not his fault exactly but we simply have to accept it as a chink in his armour Clarke ? Yes I’d like to see him introduced but not until the first pick centre backs are there. Edited October 22, 2022 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 58 minutes ago, Sherbet said: Show him a video of cruickie how a goalkeeper smaller than him by a good few inches can control.a box Difference is Cruickie could pick the ball up when it was passed back to him, being a keeper these days is nothing like it was back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Bazzas right boot said: Clark in? Or Gordon oot? I do think Clark is a very good keeper, but **** me . Gordon OOt is a bit much. It's the central of defence that is the issue Spot on. Having Clark on the bench is a superb position for us to be in but, drop CG...feck sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS98 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 This place man. ZC is a decent keeper. A very decent back up and I’m delighted he’s with us. But he’s nowhere near the levels of Gordon, even on bad day. There’s perhaps a reason at the age of 30 he’s had zero caps and the biggest club he’s played for is St Johnstone. His time will come but right now we’re 5 points adrift of 3rd and desperate for points. The next few weeks could potentially be season defining. But aye, Gordon oot! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMJ_1874 Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Batistuta87 said: CG is the man. I love him. But there's no hiding from the fact that he should have done better at several goals we've conceded recently and that he looks demotivated and dare I say it, tired. I'd still play him v Riga, but then I'd play Zander v Ross County and possibly Motherwell too. Definitely this. I love big Craigie but giving zander some time in against these two teams after our European games can’t do any harm. We also need to know what zander brings to the table. He should’ve at least have had his debut by now. Ross Stewart was immense at Celtic away so I’d love to see ZC make his debut next Sunday. CG is still our man though but missing a couple of league games won’t spoil his rhythm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorgierulesapply88 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 2 hours ago, pointon said: Love big Craig but he has been far from convincing lately it’s time for Zander Eh? Kio must have heard a shout from him for forrest goal not then I agree. Pushing saves into the middle but nout outwith the 6 yard box and wide. Confidence shot with the shite in front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo-Jambo Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Bob Loblaw said: Clark is a good backup and will get a chance. But Gordon has been outstanding for 2 years, he deserves more than folk clambering to take him out when he's had a few iffy moments behind a dodgy defence. Would Clark really fare better when exposed like Craig has been? Just last week he made 3 great saves against Aberdeen. He's our best goalie, probably best player and our captain. The upcoming games are too important to **** about with, especially when we are lacking quality in other areas through injury. Absolutely this. He has hardly made a mistake since he came back. Who wouldn't be nervy with a defence like that in front of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 The time for Clark was against Killie on that wretched pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Idle Talk Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 I hate this. I have nothing against Zander getting a couple of games but it feels like folk are turning on Craigy. That makes me nauseous. He's still a ****ing legend and is still Scotland #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Love CG, I think the defence really isn't helping him out tbh, he can only do so much with that back line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfcbilly Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Kendoll said: I'd play him Thurs given the financial bonus of winning, but tell him tomorrow that's his last game until after the World Cup. Don't even have him on the bench. He's a new father, let him spend time with the family, and let him have sleep when he can. My 3 year old still doesn't sleep the whole night, let him be a dad for a wee while, recharge the aging batteries, and let him come back fresh for a big turn of the year. Clark is more than capable of holding the Fort, boys a Scottish international and proven at our level. A lovely sentiment but not sure I agree. Giving the scottish national goalkeeper 4 weeks off on full pay during his working requirements as he seems 'a bit tired' doesn't quite sit right with me. The vast majority of our squad are very well payed professional athletes. For that, I'd expect them to be able to fulfill the needs of the team during 'term time'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 Love Craig Gordon but he either needs a rest or kick up the arse competition is healthy give Zander a couple of games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungalow Bill Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 4 hours ago, DS98 said: This place man. ZC is a decent keeper. A very decent back up and I’m delighted he’s with us. But he’s nowhere near the levels of Gordon, even on bad day. There’s perhaps a reason at the age of 30 he’s had zero caps and the biggest club he’s played for is St Johnstone. His time will come but right now we’re 5 points adrift of 3rd and desperate for points. The next few weeks could potentially be season defining. But aye, Gordon oot! 🤣 Couldn’t agree more. Drop CG… I honestly don’t know what’s wrong with folk at time. I’m dreading the day CG jacks it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Scott Leitch said: No no no no and that again. Ok Craig has cost us a goal or 3 this season but he was also the reason we finished 3rd last season. Robbie is reason we finished third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherbet Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 6 hours ago, graygo said: Difference is Cruickie could pick the ball up when it was passed back to him, being a keeper these days is nothing like it was back then. I was meaning in dealing with cross balls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 7 hours ago, Sherbet said: Sorry think cruickie did command the 6 yd box. He came for crosses which modern day keepers stand and eatch The modern game is so much faster though and you have much less time to collect cross balls unless they are floated in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Gordon still far and above the best keeper at the club, and possibly the country, so he’d still be starting for me. What I will say though is that for someone with a very good career spanning over 20 years, his kicking is murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointon Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 In my eyes Gordon is a cut above any goalkeeper but sometimes you need to freshen it up for the good of the club and the individual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaShango Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Give Craig a rest on Thursday night and play Clark. Will do Gordon the World of good he has played a lot of games this season and taking him out for a couple of games will do him the world of good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Loblaw Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 The next few games aren't unimportant at all. We need to pick up points or we are in serious danger of not getting 3rd. Just not the time IMO. And what happens if we do it and Clark makes a mistake or two, Robbie gets slaughtered for dropping our best player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMc Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Snedds76 said: Gordon has been poor for a good few weeks now, poor distribution, poor commanding of his 6 yard box.... Time for Clark to step in. it is a funny one with Craig. Because he has been doing exceptional things forever, I think people genuinely don’t take as much notice when he pulls off ridiculous saves as they would if somebody else did it. They seem to genuinely get forgotten, especially if he has made an error in a different piece of play. For me, he makes at least one save no other keeper in the league is making in most games. Logically, this should mean he could make a mistake leading to a goal most games and still be at par. I don’t think he’s anywhere near that (although there have been a few recently). As others have mentioned, it is down to the defence that we are conceding so many. It is almost entirely crosses and cut backs leading to headers and shots in the 6 yard box. Last season, we did not give up those chances. We let Craig face a lot of shots - but we blocked low and did not allow many from inside the box. Halkett got his head on everything crossed in. We conceded space on the edge of the box and let our opponents gamble on beating Craig from 35 yards. Whilst we lost a few that way (eg Ronan), the odds were stacked in our favour - and with odds like that, over time, the house wins. This season, the threat switching from wide to close range forces Craig to constantly adjust his position and dive whilst not fully set and off balance. Whilst he’s good enough to get his hands on most things despite this, it is harder to get strong enough hands on them to get right out of danger. Add to this, there is no Halkett organising the scramble defence and reading play to try to mop up loose balls in the box. Craig has made some mistakes recently. However, he still massively adds value to our team (imo). I would also question the logic in changing the only constant in our defensive unit at a time of negative flux. Corners give me the shits badly enough without changing keepers as well as 3/4 defenders every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 The problem is that defence, poor craig has some job covering up mistakes and has shown in the past to win us points, aye get clark as back up. Hes not the only keeper to stick to his line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Bazzas right boot said: Clark in? Or Gordon oot? I do think Clark is a very good keeper, but **** me . Gordon OOt is a bit much. It's the central of defence that is the issue I’m far from Gordon out but I do think Clark needs a couple of games. Clark is a foghorn at the back, consistently talking to his defenders, always been his way. I don’t think I’ve ever heard Gordon shout, I compared him to the Fiorentina keeper when they visited, as the atmosphere was a bit down pretty quickly the difference in communication was night and day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Kendoll said: I'd play him Thurs given the financial bonus of winning, but tell him tomorrow that's his last game until after the World Cup. Don't even have him on the bench. He's a new father, let him spend time with the family, and let him have sleep when he can. My 3 year old still doesn't sleep the whole night, let him be a dad for a wee while, recharge the aging batteries, and let him come back fresh for a big turn of the year. Clark is more than capable of holding the Fort, boys a Scottish international and proven at our level. maybe go on a wee holiday too, get a massage and a spa ? ffs it’s not even November Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, PapaShango said: Give Craig a rest on Thursday night and play Clark. Will do Gordon the World of good he has played a lot of games this season and taking him out for a couple of games will do him the world of good. theres only €500,000 at stake. so let’s put Clarke in when the defence is shite. How on earth is that going to help ? We just need to see this mess through until we get our CB’s back. The wolves on here will be howling if Clarke made a mistake. Mind they wanted Boyce dropped 🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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