ri Alban Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 You might not like it. But something has to give in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 On 20/06/2022 at 15:09, ri Alban said: You might not like it. But something has to give in this country. Only when the punters are hungry enough.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, ri Alban said: You might not like it. But something has to give in this country. discuss later, need to get to work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 If you are going to have a revolution, can you do it after I've had my Christmas holidays? Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montpelier Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Do us a favour Ri and give us an advance warning of any protests and / or uprisings you are involved in so I can avoid the area, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Can we do it while weather is half decent? Don't fancy storming parliament in the colder months when it gets dark around 3.30pm. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 What form is your revolution going to take? What’s the plan? Which means for production are you going to sieze first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riccarton3 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Removal of sport is the trigger for revolution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 There should be an air strike on Paisley . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) In all seriousness, if the gap between the rich ruling class and the working and middle classes keeps widening as it is, a "peasant" revolution might not be that far fetched. Although I reckon if anywhere will crumble first, it'll be the Yanks. Edited June 20, 2022 by Norm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: There should be an air strike on Paisley . Germans did that in the early 1940s. Did £30M of improvements, and the locals were still not satisfied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Harry Potter said: discuss later, need to get to work Me tae . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: There should be an air strike on Paisley . It missed and hit your bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Worrier Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 59 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said: There should be an air strike on Paisley . Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Guys, we need a revolution. People are suffering out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi must stay Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 A strike is a magic moment in bowling so a strike IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Inflation is the number 1 cause of all major people revolts all over the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) Anarchy will happen when droughts start happening. Ever wonder why England is so completely desperate to hold onto the union? Water. They will run dry in the next 25-30 years unless something changes. There will never be a revolution. People will be to busy killing each other over water. Edited June 20, 2022 by AlimOzturk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said: Water. They will run dry in the next 25-30 years unless something changes. Source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: Source? https://www.theukwaterpartnership.org/news/lorem-ipsum-dolor-sit-amet-consectetur-adipi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, kila said: https://www.theukwaterpartnership.org/news/lorem-ipsum-dolor-sit-amet-consectetur-adipi 🤣 seriously, I've lived in the North West of England for 20 years, I can assure you there absolutely no shortage of water!! It's storage that needs addressing, do you honestly think it'll be cheaper and less logistically challenging to pipe water from the North and West of Scotland to the South of England than for it to be taken from the North of England? Since when have England lost the ability to build dams and pipes? Is there suddenly nowhere in England that dams could be built? Have the rivers moved or dried up? Is it suddenly going to stop raining in England but not in Scotland? Edited June 20, 2022 by Dawnrazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: 🤣 seriously, I've lived in the North West of England for 20 years, I can assure you there absolutely no shortage of water!! It's storage that needs addressing, do you honestly think it'll be cheaper and less logistically challenging to pipe water from the North and West of Scotland to the South of England than for to be taken from the North of England? Since when have England lost the ability to build dams and pipes? Is there suddenly nowhere in England that dams could be built? Have the rivers moved or dried up? Is it suddenly going to stop raining in England but not in Scotland? Stop introducing common sense. Everyone knows it only rains in Scotland, that England can't store water and that Scottish water is key to our surviving the forthcoming water wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Stop introducing common sense. Everyone knows it only rains in Scotland, that England can't store water and that Scottish water is key to our surviving the forthcoming water wars. It's funny that in 1935, an aqueduct was built from Hawswater in the Lake District to Heaton Park in Manchester, it didn't go from Loch Awe or St Marys Loch or Loch Ness did it?! United Utilities are currently renewing the pipe at the cost of billions, they are not putting a pipe into a loch or reservoir in Scotland, why is this if there's going to be no water in England in 25 or 30 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 5 hours ago, ri Alban said: You might not like it. But something has to give in this country. Had to smile at this. It’s my dads funeral today and this is the sort of thing he would’ve just randomly rattled out with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 18 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: 🤣 seriously, I've lived in the North West of England for 20 years, I can assure you there absolutely no shortage of water!! It's storage that needs addressing, do you honestly think it'll be cheaper and less logistically challenging to pipe water from the North and West of Scotland to the South of England than for it to be taken from the North of England? Since when have England lost the ability to build dams and pipes? Is there suddenly nowhere in England that dams could be built? Have the rivers moved or dried up? Is it suddenly going to stop raining in England but not in Scotland? You're looking backwards rather than forwards. I take it you don't believe in climate change and that in 20 years time things will still be the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Well if we take the Russian revolution as an example it didn’t end too well for the proletariat really . Initially it was party party party. Various murders , hangings etc of the rich snd aristocracy , then things started to go pear shaped once Lenin died and Stalin took over . Think over 20 million Russians died of starvation ? So no thanks . Let’s try democratic means to remove the scum at number 10 or have an Indy ref democratically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, kila said: You're looking backwards rather than forwards. I take it you don't believe in climate change and that in 20 years time things will still be the same? Why didn't UU build a pipe from Scotland to Manchester? Do you not think their scientists haven't factored in rainfall and climate change? Will it stop raining in England and not in Scotland? Edited June 20, 2022 by Dawnrazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, kila said: You're looking backwards rather than forwards. I take it you don't believe in climate change and that in 20 years time things will still be the same? http://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/warming-earth-also-wetter-earth#:~:text=many parts of the world,parts of the United States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dawnrazor Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, iantjambo said: Had to smile at this. It’s my dads funeral today and this is the sort of thing he would’ve just randomly rattled out with I'm sad to hear about your Dad, please accept my sympathies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Boy Named Crow Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said: Source? Clouds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Just now, A Boy Named Crow said: Clouds But not in 25 years apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: I'm sad to hear about your Dad, please accept my sympathies. Cheers mate. It wasn’t a blatant attempt at getting some sympathy or attention, honestly It’s genuinely something he would’ve cracked out with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joondalupjambo Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 There is a third option, a war. That would change the whole landscape. Stop the moaners moaning and he get the poor to the front line again. Heaven's forbid but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Boy Named Crow Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: But not in 25 years apparently. In fairness, there is a noticeable lack of rain in the south east. I'm pretty sure other parts England could pick up the slack though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said: There is a third option, a war. That would change the whole landscape. Stop the moaners moaning and he get the poor to the front line again. Heaven's forbid but who knows. It worked 40 years ago. If there wasn’t a revolution in the 80s there won’t be one now. Thatcher made sure there are too many invested, home-owning middle-class folk for it to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Just now, A Boy Named Crow said: In fairness, there is a noticeable lack of rain in the south east. I'm pretty sure other parts England could pick up the slack though. This is exactly my point, as I've said it'll be MUCH cheaper therefore more profitable to take water from the North of England, where there is absolutely no shortage, to the South, money will be spent on building reservoirs, increasing efficiency and stopping leaks in England before it will be spent on getting water from Scotland wheather independence happens or not. This whole thing about England needing Scotland for its water is utterly ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, FWJ said: It worked 40 years ago. If there wasn’t a revolution in the 80s there won’t be one now. Thatcher made sure there are too many invested, home-owning middle-class folk for it to happen. Bloody Thatcher, giving folk opportunity to own their home and better themselves. Things are so much better when only wealthy could do that. We should have stuck to renting shit homes with no central heating, no double glazing and relied on council to look after us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: This is exactly my point, as I've said it'll be MUCH cheaper therefore more profitable to take water from the North of England, where there is absolutely no shortage, to the South, money will be spent on building reservoirs, increasing efficiency and stopping leaks in England before it will be spent on getting water from Scotland wheather independence happens or not. This whole thing about England needing Scotland for its water is utterly ridiculous. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-13765279 Edited June 20, 2022 by Gizmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Bloody Thatcher, giving folk opportunity to own their home and better themselves. Things are so much better when only wealthy could do that. We should have stuck to renting shit homes with no central heating, no double glazing and relied on council to look after us. I’m not disagreeing with you, she knew what she was doing (thanks to Keith Joseph) and she did it. It was the as-long-as-the-majority-are -doing-well-the-devil-take-the-hindmost result that is troubling. Generations now that have never known work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said: Why didn't UU build a pipe from Scotland to Manchester? Do you not think their scientists haven't factored in rainfall and climate change? Will it stop raining in England and not in Scotland? It's not just about rainfall, it's also how hot the summers are causing reservoirs dry up quicker. The temperatures of southern England are miles hotter than northern Scotland. There could be more torrential rain from thunderstorms in England, so I guess while there could be limited water availability for periods, there'll be too much water for periods too and it'll come in via your front door before the next prolonged heatwave dries it out again. I'm not saying Scotland is going to be some utopia and England burning dry in 25 years time, just that Scotland will be better off because it's further north. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, FWJ said: I’m not disagreeing with you, she knew what she was doing (thanks to Keith Joseph) and she did it. It was the as-long-as-the-majority-are -doing-well-the-devil-take-the-hindmost result that is troubling. Generations now that have never known work. Yet there are plenty vacancies out there. Employers desperate for staff yet apparently we have generations who have never known work. Perhaps if the lazy *******s for off their backsides and actually did work, we might get on better. Then again, they expect everything to be handed on a plate to them as that is what our Scottish government promise so why work for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, kila said: It's not just about rainfall, it's also how hot the summers are causing reservoirs dry up quicker. The temperatures of southern England are miles hotter than northern Scotland. There could be more torrential rain from thunderstorms in England, so I guess while there could be limited water availability for periods, there'll be too much water for periods too and it'll come in via your front door before the next prolonged heatwave dries it out again. I'm not saying Scotland is going to be some utopia and England burning dry in 25 years time, just that Scotland will be better off because it's further north. Reservoirs dry up with a combination of lack of rain fall AND use, there's plenty of water in England, it's the lack of storage that needs addressing and it's cheaper, quicker and much more practical to build more reservoirs in England than it is to pipe it from hundreds of miles away, this is glaringly obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Gizmo said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-13765279 So now everything the spaffer says is correct?! It'll be much cheaper, easier and practical to move water from the North of England where there is plenty than get it from Scotland, economics will prevail in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Daily Mail type post alert! But I think it is a valid question. If this country is so awful why do tens of thousand risk their lives to get here each year. After Brexit you would have thought the traffic would be in the opposite direction with people fleeing the horrors of post_Brexit Britain to get to the relative paradise that is the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Daily Mail type post alert! But I think it is a valid question. If this country is so awful why do tens of thousand risk their lives to get here each year. After Brexit you would have thought the traffic would be in the opposite direction with people fleeing the horrors of post_Brexit Britain to get to the relative paradise that is the EU. Family connections and English language play a large part, apparently. But not that much, as many, many more refugees (6x as many?) settle in Germany / France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Denuto Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, Francis Albert said: Daily Mail type post alert! But I think it is a valid question. If this country is so awful why do tens of thousand risk their lives to get here each year. After Brexit you would have thought the traffic would be in the opposite direction with people fleeing the horrors of post_Brexit Britain to get to the relative paradise that is the EU. Once Economic migrants get here it is probably not the Utopia they imagined, I suppose it very much depends on where you are starting from. it is usually extreme events like war or famine that causes mass migration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 38 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: Reservoirs dry up with a combination of lack of rain fall AND use, there's plenty of water in England, it's the lack of storage that needs addressing and it's cheaper, quicker and much more practical to build more reservoirs in England than it is to pipe it from hundreds of miles away, this is glaringly obvious. You've made a logical argument to a point and that point is the water and reservoirs and infrastructure is owned by different companies ( Thatcher sold it all off for shitpence) That causes issues as its not one organisation selling or moving water. Its a host of competing companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnrazor Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said: You've made a logical argument to a point and that point is the water and reservoirs and infrastructure is owned by different companies ( Thatcher sold it all off for shitpence) That causes issues as its not one organisation selling or moving water. Its a host of competing companies. So will these diffirent English profit driven companies spend money building the infrastructure to get water from hundreds of miles away in Scotland or from England? Just to add that I work closely with two water companies, this is a conversation I've had numerous times with various levels of upper management and they've all said the same thing. Edited June 20, 2022 by Dawnrazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Thor Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said: So will these diffirent English profit driven companies spend money building the infrastructure to get water from hundreds of miles away in Scotland or from England? Just to add that I work closely with two water companies, this is a conversation I've had numerous times with various levels of upper management and they've all said the same thing. Will they spend it at all? The track record of private utility companies and investment isn't stellar. Its how England's water system is creaking. I'm happy ours is still publicly owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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