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Dennis Denuto
2 minutes ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Will they spend it at all?

The track record of private utility companies and investment isn't stellar. Its how England's water system is creaking. 

I'm happy ours is still publicly owned. 

Is there anything that England do better than Scotland that you would like to see implemented up here?

Just a wee side question

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1 minute ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Will they spend it at all?

The track record of private utility companies and investment isn't stellar. Its how England's water system is creaking. 

I'm happy ours is still publicly owned. 

If they want to sell people water then of course they'll spend it, they'll have no choice. But this is getting away from the fact that many think England need Scotland for water and gazillions are going to be made for selling Scottish water the the dehydrated, rioting English populous in 25 years and that's why you should vote Yes in an independence referendum, it's nonsense. 

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Francis Albert
2 hours ago, FWJ said:

Family connections and English language play a large part, apparently.  But not that much, as many, many more refugees (6x as many?) settle in Germany / France.

If family relations is a main driver surely the relations will have told them what a hell hole Britain is.

 

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Francis Albert
2 hours ago, Dennis Denuto said:

Once Economic migrants get here it is probably not the Utopia they imagined, I suppose it very much depends on where you are starting from. it is usually extreme events like war or famine that causes mass migration.

There is a natural pull towards richer countries. Mexican migration  to the USA is not driven by war or famine. The poorest and hungriest are not usually in the front line of mass migration.

 

 

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Francis Albert
3 hours ago, FWJ said:

Family connections and English language play a large part, apparently.  But not that much, as many, many more refugees (6x as many?) settle in Germany / France.

Source for the 6 times? The statistics I found suggest Germany France UK and Spain are all in the same ballpark as a  proportion of residents born outside the country.

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2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

Will they spend it at all?

The track record of private utility companies and investment isn't stellar. Its how England's water system is creaking. 

I'm happy ours is still publicly owned. 

 

Statutory corporations like Scottish Water barely function any differently than say Yorkshire Water.

 

There is no night and day difference because of ownership.

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Shooter McGavin

People in full time jobs rely on foodbanks.

 

I don’t know what other peoples idea of rock bottom is, but I think we’re just about there.

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Malinga the Swinga
55 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

People in full time jobs rely on foodbanks.

 

I don’t know what other peoples idea of rock bottom is, but I think we’re just about there.

Maybe they need to strike to get better pay. That seems to be the example that is being heralded on here.

Maybe they need to work harder and get a better job.  Have they tried re-training?

Maybe they need to move to a different area that has cheaper housing.

Maybe they need to cut down on outgoings.

What occupation do these full time workers have that they rely on foodbanks?

You only need to walk down Morningside, or Leith Walk or anywhere to see businesses looking for employees. 

Trussell foodbanks reckons it is tiny percentage of full time workers who have used them and even then it's 2 uses per year. Still not pleasant though.

The majority, over 80% are not working, and the remaining are part timers.

Guaranteed that it won't be their own responsibility though.

 

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Just now, Malinga the Swinga said:

Maybe they need to strike to get better pay. That seems to be the example that is being heralded on here.

Maybe they need to work harder and get a better job.  Have they tried re-training?

Maybe they need to move to a different area that has cheaper housing.

Maybe they need to cut down on outgoings.

What occupation do these full time workers have that they rely on foodbanks?

You only need to walk down Morningside, or Leith Walk or anywhere to see businesses looking for employees. 

Guaranteed that it won't be their own responsibility though.

 


NHS staff, mate.
 

Why should people uproot their family from their home, work more hours on top of their current 40+ hours or re-train for another career when they are 15 years from retirement,

 

just so the CEO of the company they work for can gift themselves a bonus of tens of millions of pounds for absolutely no reason?

 

Why should people constantly be stretched to breaking point so that rich people hoarding wealth can chuck a few more 0’s onto their bank balance?

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History won't judge us kindly but just vote the ****s out FFS. It should be simple but you can't legislate for all the turkeys in the red wall who keep voting for Christmas and then get bent out of shape when Tories do what tories do. 

Rather than painting your face and calling for armed rebellion put together a persuasive argument for putting a government in place at Westminster who actually give a 4 xxxx about the country. It can't be that difficult. SNP, Labour, every moderate politician and voter n the country should be lining up against them. 

Then once they are out we can have a reasoned debate about the constitution and no bogey man to blame. 

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Shooter McGavin

To anybody who says “relocate, retrain, get rid of things you don’t need….”

 

I have a question.

 

You’re saying you would you rather sell your home, re-locate away from your friends & family, if you have childen you would need to move them away from their school and friends,

 

you’d look for another job closer to your new home, you’d retrain for a new career, and then try and compete in the job market with younger people who are much more attractive to employers due to their age and graduate/entry-level salary, and then if you did manage to start a new career in your mid-life, you’d work overtime on top of your 40+ hours-a-week,

 

and then you would get rid of any of the small nice things you have, i.e. Netflix subscription, or the odd night out socialising with friends or even the odd takeaway,

 

and you’d do all of that so you can watch a CEO award them self tens of million of pounds as a bonus on top of their already inflated salary?

 

If you’re answer is yes, then I have another,

 

how far are you willing to drop your standard of living, and isolate yourself from friends and family, just so rich people can keep getting richer?


 

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Malinga the Swinga
3 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:


NHS staff, mate.
 

Why should people uproot their family from their home, work more hours on top of their current 40+ hours or re-train for another career when they are 15 years from retirement,

 

just so the CEO of the company they work for can gift themselves a bonus of tens of millions of pounds for absolutely no reason?

 

Why should people constantly be stretched to breaking point so that rich people hoarding wealth can chuck a few more 0’s onto their bank balance?

You are entirely right. People shouldn't show any initiative to move, retrain or work harder. Just carry on doing the same thing that's got you into problems and then expect someone else to solve problem for you.

If your 15 years from retirement and your job is finished or not required, you need to retrain. You can't just expect state to allow you to sit back, do nothing and get paid for it.

Who is this CEO that's paying themselves tens of millions of pounds as a bonus? Go on, name them. I know some get well paid but I'm interested to know who gets that amount of a bonus. 

After all, if they have created company or jobs and as re successful, why shouldn't they be rewarded.

Your bitterness and hatred of the successful is no surprise, its human nature.

 

 

 

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Malinga the Swinga
10 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

To anybody who says “relocate, retrain, get rid of things you don’t need….”

 

I have one question.

 

You’re saying you would you rather sell your home, re-locate away from your friends & family, if you have childen you would need to move them away from their school and friends,

 

you’d look for another job closer to your new home, you’d retrain for a new career, and then try and compete in the job market with younger people who are much more attractive to employers due to their age and graduate/entry-level salary, and then if you did manage to start a new career in your mid-life, you’d work overtime on top of your 40 hours-a-week,

 

and you would get rid of any of the small nice things you have, i.e. Netflix subscription, or the odd night out socialising with friends or even the odd takeaway,

 

and you’d do all of that so you can watch a CEO award them self tens of million of pounds as a bonus on top of their already inflated salary?


 

Yep, that's exactly what I'd do. What's the alternative, sit there and think life's unfair. Boo boo, if you don't fight, you'll get left behind.

As earlier, who are the CEO'S paying themselves tens of millions in bonuses?

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Jeffros Furios

We need mass strikes and civil disorder .. Politicians are quite happy to give themselves decent pay rises and cheat on the expenses but when the serfs want the same they don't play ball .

I hate politicians and want them gone .

 

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Malinga the Swinga
3 minutes ago, Jeffros Furios said:

We need mass strikes and civil disorder .. Politicians are quite happy to give themselves decent pay rises and cheat on the expenses but when the serfs want the same they don't play ball .

I hate politicians and want them gone .

 

Go on then, why don't you go on strike and start the process. Nothing stopping you.

Disagree on mass strikes and civil disobedience. The majority of workers are quite happy with their lot, not overjoyed with it, but aren't interested in striking. As for civil disorder, violence is never the answer. Absolutely no chance of that happening, not in a million years.

Agree on politicians though. Wouldn't trust any of them from any party in any parliament.

Thing is, who would replace them to run things? Anyone who wants to be in charge and have power should be automatically banned from doing so. 

Local councillors make an arse of running city never mind country so they can't do it.

Doesn't leave many options. We could go back to absolute monarchy I guess.

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11 hours ago, John Findlay said:

Germans did that in the early 1940s. Did £30M of improvements, and the locals were still not satisfied.

Close to a hundred, mostly nurses and doctors at a first aid post, died in a bombing in 1941. 

I could crack off a joke about the Falklands but I'm sure you wouldn't think it worthy of joking about.

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Shooter McGavin
26 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

You are entirely right. People shouldn't show any initiative to move, retrain or work harder. Just carry on doing the same thing that's got you into problems and then expect someone else to solve problem for you.

If your 15 years from retirement and your job is finished or not required, you need to retrain. You can't just expect state to allow you to sit back, do nothing and get paid for it.

Who is this CEO that's paying themselves tens of millions of pounds as a bonus? Go on, name them. I know some get well paid but I'm interested to know who gets that amount of a bonus. 

After all, if they have created company or jobs and as re successful, why shouldn't they be rewarded.

Your bitterness and hatred of the successful is no surprise, its human nature.

 

 

 


 

Why should people work harder, for less money?

 

“Just carry on doing the same things that got you into problems?” What is that exactly?

 

Heres an example of CEO bonuses for you:

Thomas Cool CEO’s pocketed £35 million in a twelve-year period leading up to their downfall: https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/23/hedge-funds-win-big-from-short-selling-thomas-cook-shares

 

And in that particular case, they caused people to lose their jobs due to their reckless mismanagement. 
 

I’m not bitter of extremely successful people, I just believe the ordinary folk like ourselves who are the reason they are successful can y’know, eat and afford to live? Is that too much to ask?

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Jeffros Furios
5 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Go on then, why don't you go on strike and start the process. Nothing stopping you.

Disagree on mass strikes and civil disobedience. The majority of workers are quite happy with their lot, not overjoyed with it, but aren't interested in striking. As for civil disorder, violence is never the answer. Absolutely no chance of that happening, not in a million years.

Agree on politicians though. Wouldn't trust any of them from any party in any parliament.

Thing is, who would replace them to run things? Anyone who wants to be in charge and have power should be automatically banned from doing so. 

Local councillors make an arse of running city never mind country so they can't do it.

Doesn't leave many options. We could go back to absolute monarchy I guess.

Aye but I have a hitlist on my civil disorder which others may view as extreme .

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Malinga the Swinga
Just now, Jeffros Furios said:

Aye but I have a hitlist on my civil disorder which others may view as extreme .

We can barely manage to get 40% of electorate to vote in council elections or 60 to 70% in general election.

The chance of them bothering to get out their chairs to actually do something/anything that requires effort is remote.

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Shooter McGavin
24 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Yep, that's exactly what I'd do. What's the alternative, sit there and think life's unfair. Boo boo, if you don't fight, you'll get left behind.

As earlier, who are the CEO'S paying themselves tens of millions in bonuses?


Well if you’d rather uproot your family, leave your friends behind, don’t socialise with anybody, spend your entire days at work with nothing to look forward to except work the next day,

 

so you can watch people with five generations worth of wealth turn that into six generations, 

 

then I’m afraid you’re a total sad case.

 

A lot of people, like myself, want to work hard, raise a family and enjoy as much time as possible with friends and create amazing memories with the people you love.

 

But if you want to spend your miserable life working every hour god sends, not having any friends or family life, just so you can prop up someones generational wealth, then that’s fair enough.

 

 

 

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Shooter McGavin

Funny how some people are completely comfortable with decimating their quality of life, during the infinite time they are alive, so that a CEO’s great-grandchild won’t have to work a day in their lives.

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Malinga the Swinga
4 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:


 

Why should people work harder, for less money?

 

“Just carry on doing the same things that got you into problems?” What is that exactly?

 

Heres an example of CEO bonuses for you:

Thomas Cool CEO’s pocketed £35 million in a twelve-year period leading up to their downfall: https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/23/hedge-funds-win-big-from-short-selling-thomas-cook-shares

 

And in that particular case, they caused people to lose their jobs due to their reckless mismanagement. 
 

I’m not bitter of extremely successful people, I just believe the ordinary folk like ourselves who are the reason they are successful can y’know, eat and afford to live? Is that too much to ask?

I think your example says more about hedge funds than company CEO. 

As for ordinary folk, the silent majority work hard, get paid and get on with lives, reasonably happy with life. After 41 years of working, I have seen good times and bad times, job security and job cuts. You have two choices, get your head down and make best of it or spend life constantly being envious of others and what they have. I made choice when I had kids.

The senior exec life isn't for me. They get paid more but their lives are dominated by business, 24 hours a day 7 days a week. For all the guys and gals who succeed, their are loads more who burn out, fail and go bust, they just don't hit the news.

As a result, I'm happy with my lot, my family and my choices. No regrets, well apart from Dens in 1986 and several cup finals.

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Malinga the Swinga
9 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:


Well if you’d rather uproot your family, leave your friends behind, don’t socialise with anybody, spend your entire days at work with nothing to look forward to except work the next day,

 

so you can watch people with five generations worth of wealth turn that into six generations, 

 

then I’m afraid you’re a total sad case.

 

A lot of people, like myself, want to work hard, raise a family and enjoy as much time as possible with friends and create amazing memories with the people you love.

 

But if you want to spend your miserable life working every hour god sends, not having any friends or family life, just so you can prop up someones generational wealth, then that’s fair enough.

 

 

 

Who cares what others earn, well you do obviously, I'm concerned about my pay and no-one else. 

You spend your life being sad and jealous, that's up to you. 

My work/life balance is excellent though, so no need for you to be concerned.

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25 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:


 

Why should people work harder, for less money?

 

“Just carry on doing the same things that got you into problems?” What is that exactly?

 

Heres an example of CEO bonuses for you:

Thomas Cool CEO’s pocketed £35 million in a twelve-year period leading up to their downfall: https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/23/hedge-funds-win-big-from-short-selling-thomas-cook-shares

 

And in that particular case, they caused people to lose their jobs due to their reckless mismanagement. 
 

I’m not bitter of extremely successful people, I just believe the ordinary folk like ourselves who are the reason they are successful can y’know, eat and afford to live? Is that too much to ask?

 

I'm probably more on your side that the opposite side but if you take ordinary to actually mean ordinary then ordinary folk can afford to eat and live.

 

I'm ordinary, I live in an ordinary place, I work an ordinary job, earn an ordinary salary, I have an ordinary lifestyle, drive an ordinary car and do ordinary things. 

 

 

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Shooter McGavin
3 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Who cares what others earn, well you do obviously, I'm concerned about my pay and no-one else. 

You spend your life being sad and jealous, that's up to you. 

My work/life balance is excellent though, so no need for you to be concerned.


If you’re not bothered about other working people being exploited, hungry or cold, then that’s your stance, but the next time you’re at the hospital, be vigilant for signs of the staff being malnourished, and if they’re shaking a bit, maybe offer them some food.


Oh, and if you’re work/life balance is excellent, then congrats, and don’t be so angry at working people wanting to achieve the same thing.

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Malinga the Swinga
1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

I'm probably more on your side that the opposite side but if you take ordinary to actually mean ordinary then ordinary folk can afford to eat and live.

 

I'm ordinary, I live in an ordinary place, I work an ordinary job, earn an ordinary salary, I have an ordinary lifestyle, drive an ordinary car and do ordinary things. 

 

 

You don't need to be a millionaire to be special. What you've described isn't ordinary, that's special. You just don't realise how special living life is. 

 

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Shooter McGavin
4 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I'm probably more on your side that the opposite side but if you take ordinary to actually mean ordinary then ordinary folk can afford to eat and live.

 

I'm ordinary, I live in an ordinary place, I work an ordinary job, earn an ordinary salary, I have an ordinary lifestyle, drive an ordinary car and do ordinary things. 

 

 


I hear what you’re saying, but we’re in exceptional times right now where ordinary folk are really struggling, even those working full-time, hence the NHS foodbank for staff example I pointed out earlier.

 

I’m probably the same as you, ordinary, and still maintaining somewhat of an ordinary life.
 

But there is a growing number of people in full-time work in dire straights with the incredible rise in the price of well, everything, right now.

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Malinga the Swinga
1 minute ago, Shooter McGavin said:


If you’re not bothered about other working people being exploited, hungry or cold, then that’s your stance, but the next time you’re at the hospital, be vigilant for signs of the staff being malnourished, and if they’re shaking a bit, maybe offer them some food.


Oh, and if you’re work/life balance is excellent, then congrats, and don’t be so angry at working people wanting to achieve the same thing.

What hospital do you go to where the staff are undernourished and shaking? 

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Shooter McGavin
2 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

What hospital do you go to where the staff are undernourished and shaking? 


I haven’t been to a hospital in a while, thankfully.

 

But if you visited an NHS location in Norfolk, Hertfordshire, Dartford and Gravesham, Sheffield or Birmingham,  where staff are currently receiving emergency food supplies, them there’s a good chance you will see it.


https://nursingnotes.co.uk/news/workforce/hospitals-set-up-food-banks-in-desperate-attempt-to-support-struggling-staff/

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Malinga the Swinga
1 minute ago, Shooter McGavin said:


I haven’t been to a hospital in a while, thankfully.

 

But if you visited an NHS location in Norfolk, Hertfordshire, Dartford and Gravesham, Sheffield or Birmingham,  where staff are currently receiving emergency food supplies, them there’s a good chance you will see it.


https://nursingnotes.co.uk/news/workforce/hospitals-set-up-food-banks-in-desperate-attempt-to-support-struggling-staff/

So you just made up shaking and undernourished comments then.

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Just now, Malinga the Swinga said:

So you just made up shaking and undernourished comments then.


Ermm, the article says that 2 out of every 5 nurses admitted missing meals?
 

I’ll explain this to you even further to help you out, that means going hungry.


A symptom of hunger is shaking due to low-blood sugar.

 

To be honest, I thought you were smarter than this?

 

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1 hour ago, Shooter McGavin said:


NHS staff, mate.
 

Why should people uproot their family from their home, work more hours on top of their current 40+ hours or re-train for another career when they are 15 years from retirement,

 

just so the CEO of the company they work for can gift themselves a bonus of tens of millions of pounds for absolutely no reason?

 

Why should people constantly be stretched to breaking point so that rich people hoarding wealth can chuck a few more 0’s onto their bank balance?

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24 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

You don't need to be a millionaire to be special. What you've described isn't ordinary, that's special. You just don't realise how special living life is. 

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:


I hear what you’re saying, but we’re in exceptional times right now where ordinary folk are really struggling, even those working full-time, hence the NHS foodbank for staff example I pointed out earlier.

 

I’m probably the same as you, ordinary, and still maintaining somewhat of an ordinary life.
 

But there is a growing number of people in full-time work in dire straights with the incredible rise in the price of well, everything, right now.

 

In a macro sense, yes. Any life is special and even looking only at our planet I'm exceedingly lucky for my circumstances and to be alive. In a Western, UK sense, I'm bang average. Mr Ordinary, I proactively manage my finances, I save, and I'm not frivolous. That's meant in harder times like now I've a bit of a buffer.

 

A lot aren't in a position to be able to do that, but if ordinary is somewhat equatable to average then those unable to do so are not ordinary in the UK (yes, but I concede it could become ordinary). Someone working full time and unable to eat is very much extraordinary, in so far as it's unusual. 

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Malinga the Swinga
2 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:


Ermm, the article says that 2 out of every 5 nurses admitted missing meals?
 

I’ll explain this to you even further to help you out, that means going hungry.


A symptom of hunger is shaking due to low-blood sugar.

 

To be honest, I thought you were smarter than this?

 

Certainly smarter than you, but then again, that's not a high bar.

 

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1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

You are entirely right. People shouldn't show any initiative to move, retrain or work harder. Just carry on doing the same thing that's got you into problems and then expect someone else to solve problem for you.

If your 15 years from retirement and your job is finished or not required, you need to retrain. You can't just expect state to allow you to sit back, do nothing and get paid for it.

Who is this CEO that's paying themselves tens of millions of pounds as a bonus? Go on, name them. I know some get well paid but I'm interested to know who gets that amount of a bonus. 

After all, if they have created company or jobs and as re successful, why shouldn't they be rewarded.

Your bitterness and hatred of the successful is no surprise, its human nature.

 

 

 


What state would we be in if NHS staff retrained and relocated? The hospitals are in a terrible state as it is, with over worked underpaid exhausted nurses trying their level best to help the sick. What needs to happen is we pay them a wage that reflects their importance to each and everyone of us. A decent salary will also make recruitment and training of new nurses easier.

 

All these people clapping on a Thursday night for our NHS during lockdown seem to have forgotten all that now.

 

 

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Shooter McGavin
7 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Certainly smarter than you, but then again, that's not a high bar.

 


Avoided the point exceptionally there, mate.

 

An interesting discussion to be honest, could feel you fizzle out towards the end with less and less relevance.

 

Probably for the best that you called it a day there.

 

Also, a wee tip for you, people that go around telling others they are smarter than them, typically aren’t that clever.
 

Y’know clever people don’t have to go around telling people they’re clever.

 

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Malinga the Swinga
2 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

 

 

In a macro sense, yes. Any life is special and even looking only at our planet I'm exceedingly lucky for my circumstances and to be alive. In a Western, UK sense, I'm bang average. Mr Ordinary, I proactively manage my finances, I save, and I'm not frivolous. That's meant in harder times like now I've a bit of a buffer.

 

A lot aren't in a position to be able to do that, but if ordinary is somewhat equatable to average then those unable to do so are not ordinary in the UK (yes, but I concede it could become ordinary). Someone working full time and unable to eat is very much extraordinary, in so far as it's unusual. 

According to Mr McGavin, not that unusual or extraordinary, it's common in nursing. I mean it isn't, but searching union media isn't exactly a neutral view.

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Malinga the Swinga
1 minute ago, Shooter McGavin said:


Avoided the point exceptionally there, mate.

 

An interesting discussion to be honest, could feel you fizzle out towards the end with less and less relevance.

 

Probably for the best that you called it a day there.

Who called it a day? You exaggerated what was written in union media, then when called out on it, you just kept digging.

It is unusual for full time workers to use foodbanks, the Trussell Trust said so themselves. Think I will listen to the experts rather than you.

Still, if I ever require to go to hospital, I'll watch out for the malnourished and shaking staff. 

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John Findlay
1 hour ago, Boab said:

Close to a hundred, mostly nurses and doctors at a first aid post, died in a bombing in 1941. 

I could crack off a joke about the Falklands but I'm sure you wouldn't think it worthy of joking about.

My father at the age of 3 and a half saw his tenement in Clydebank blown up in March 1941. He always joked that his first flit was curtesy of Hitler's removal company.

Joke away about the Falklands. I do.

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Weakened Offender
10 hours ago, AlimOzturk said:

Anarchy will happen when droughts start happening. Ever wonder why England is so completely desperate to hold onto the union? Water. They will run dry in the next 25-30 years unless something changes. 
 

There will never be a revolution. People will be to busy killing each other over water. 

 

In the next 30 years most wars will probably be over water. 

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Malinga the Swinga
11 minutes ago, Rudy T said:


What state would we be in if NHS staff retrained and relocated? The hospitals are in a terrible state as it is, with over worked underpaid exhausted nurses trying their level best to help the sick. What needs to happen is we pay them a wage that reflects their importance to each and everyone of us. A decent salary will also make recruitment and training of new nurses easier.

 

All these people clapping on a Thursday night for our NHS during lockdown seem to have forgotten all that now.

 

 

Who clapped them? Gesture politics at their worst. Who said I didn't want NHS staff fairly paid? You can go and check but fairly sure I haven't said they don't deserve fair pay.

I did say that if things are so bad you can't make ends meet, you have 2 choices. You can retrain and leave industry or else make changes to personal life and stick at it.

What you can't do is do nothing and expect things to get better because if your waiting on politicians to grow a conscience, you'll be waiting a long time.

If it takes loads of staff leaving and a shortage of nurses/doctors in hospitals, then maybe that's what's needed.

Sorry if it's not what you want to read, but pretending things will just improve is not going to help.

 

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16 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Who called it a day? You exaggerated what was written in union media, then when called out on it, you just kept digging.

It is unusual for full time workers to use foodbanks, the Trussell Trust said so themselves. Think I will listen to the experts rather than you.

Still, if I ever require to go to hospital, I'll watch out for the malnourished and shaking staff. 


Ah yes, I’m exaggerating, NHS staff in the areas I mentioned aren’t hungry, just typical bloody unions eh. The foodbanks they’ve setup don’t exist, just a figment of mine and everybody else's imagination.

 

Unusual? It should be zero mate, that’s the whole point. I’d be extremely worried, but not entirely surprised, to see the word unusual be replaced with growing in the next 6 months as costs rise even more. Unfortunately, I believe that’s where we are headed.

 

Also, I don’t believe the Trussell Trust make a point of checking peoples employment or career. So I’m unsure what your source is on that.

 

Oh and I believed you were calling it a day as typically when someone during a debate says “I’m smarter than you” with no relevant points attached to it, then it’s usually a sign they’ve spat the dummy.

 

I wish you all the best of health, but yes if ever in a hospital please do and feel free to help out where possible.

 

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4 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

In the next 30 years most wars will probably be over water. 

By then, we will be speaking Chinese as their domination of works industry grows.

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1 minute ago, Shooter McGavin said:


Ah yes, I’m exaggerating, NHS staff in the area I mentioned aren’t hungry, just typical bloody unions eh. The foodbanks they’ve setup don’t exist, just a figment of mine and everybody else's imagination.

 

Unusual? It should be zero mate, that’s the whole point. I’d be extremely worried but not entirely surprised to see the word unusual be replaced with growing in the next 6 months as costs rise even more.

 

Oh and I believed you were calling it a day as typically when someone, during a debate, says “I’m smarter than you” with no relevant points attached to it, then it’s usually a sign they’ve spat the dummy.

 

I wish you all the best of health, but yes if ever in a hospital please do and feel free to help out where possible.

So you never researched Trussell Trust and their comments. Foodbanks aren't pleasant, I never said they were. Problem is government see charities running them so they sit back and don't bother trying to resolve the issues that cause them to exist in first place.

It's a catch 22 with politicians from all sides to blame. They could easily get rid of them, but that would require them to get fingers out their backsides.

Nothing pisses me off more than seeing them, the politicians, "helping out' at foodbank and being photographed doing so. It's a set up to make them look good and they cant get out quick enough once cameras gone.

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5 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

So you never researched Trussell Trust and their comments. Foodbanks aren't pleasant, I never said they were. Problem is government see charities running them so they sit back and don't bother trying to resolve the issues that cause them to exist in first place.

It's a catch 22 with politicians from all sides to blame. They could easily get rid of them, but that would require them to get fingers out their backsides.

Nothing pisses me off more than seeing them, the politicians, "helping out' at foodbank and being photographed doing so. It's a set up to make them look good and they cant get out quick enough once cameras gone.


I did actually, and I was right

 

”The Trussell Trust has told us before that it doesn’t usually collect information on what kind of jobs people using its services have.”

 

https://fullfact.org/economy/are-people-work-using-food-banks/


100% agree with you, how politicians can sit back and let it happen, and not be completely embarrassed is beyond me.

 

I’m sure there was a picture doing the rounds of a Tory MP cutting the ribbon at a foodbank opening.
 

Couldn’t turn their necks scarlet with a blowtorch.

 

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I did actually, and I was right

 

”The Trussell Trust has told us before that it doesn’t usually collect information on what kind of jobs people using its services have.”

 

https://fullfact.org/economy/are-people-work-using-food-banks/


100% agree with you, how politicians can sit back and let it happen, and not be completely embarrassed is beyond me.

 

I’m sure there was a picture doing the rounds of a Tory MP cutting the ribbon at a foodbank opening.
 

Couldn’t turn their necks scarlet with a blowtorch.

 

They've all done it. Sturgeon at one a couple of months ago when she could take action to get rid of them, even if just in Scotland.

They have been around for years and we have had Labour, Conservative, Conservative/Liberal in UK and Labour, SNP and SNP/Green in Scotland yet they do nothing but blame someone else.

I have to confess I have no idea what the answer is.

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11 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Who clapped them? Gesture politics at their worst. Who said I didn't want NHS staff fairly paid? You can go and check but fairly sure I haven't said they don't deserve fair pay.

I did say that if things are so bad you can't make ends meet, you have 2 choices. You can retrain and leave industry or else make changes to personal life and stick at it.

What you can't do is do nothing and expect things to get better because if your waiting on politicians to grow a conscience, you'll be waiting a long time.

If it takes loads of staff leaving and a shortage of nurses/doctors in hospitals, then maybe that's what's needed.

Sorry if it's not what you want to read, but pretending things will just improve is not going to help.

 


This has already happened, hospitals are woefully understaffed, other services are broken, the entire NHS is a shambles and being held together by the nurses drive to help people in need.
 

I’d also question how these people are supposed to make ends meet if they give up their medical careers to retrain? Surely they are in a worse position, with no job? And what’s the guarantees of a better job after retraining. 
 

You’ve got far too a simplistic view on life; get a good job and life’s good. For many there’s plenty hurdles in the way of that for it to happen seamlessly. 
 

It’s time for a radical shake up in this country, the majority of our services are no longer fit for purpose, our political system is stuck in the past and the well we’re Great Britain attitude is weak. 
 

I actually don’t disagree with some of your points on this thread, however we need new thinking not the tired old political parties passing the buck to the next incumbent of no.10. 

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25 minutes ago, Weakened Offender said:

 

In the next 30 years most wars will probably be over water. 

A  reasonable prediction, sadly.  Prolonged lack of rainfall  in some areas, too much regular flooding in others - both result in hunger, poverty and mass movement of desperate people trying to escape to a better life somewhere.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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