Jump to content

*****Official Dundee United versus Heart of Midlothian Match Thread *****


cookieboy
 Share

Recommended Posts

Bazzas right boot

A string of defeats as we rest players, get some fit and play some youth and prepare for the final will have no effect on the team for the final. 

 

Completely different to playing to stay in the league, busting a gut and still getting beat as you spiral. 

 

The players will know the difference one is planned and one is just utterly shite and depressing and effects confidence. 

Some fringe or youth guys are also likely to try harder to impress. 

 

It's a balance, but we should and imo will rest players if not Tommorrow the next few games. 

 

Robbie can play himself at RB if he wants. 

 

Utd and Motherwell are pretty brutal teams, losing kingsley, Simms, Boyce, McKay  as they compete with a 50/50 with the likes of Butcher in a nothing game is the stuff of nightmares. 

 

We've seen how easy it is to lose 3 players to injury in 1 game, we don't want that. 

 

Keep players fit, get others fit, give some seniors and youth a chance while resting some key players is perfectly sensible. 

 

Try to win but don't break a leg in trying to do so. 

 

 

 

Edited by Bazzas right boot
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 921
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

  • Morgan

    38

  • Hearts007

    55

  • Imaman

    44

  • Bazzas right boot

    23

Levein kinda gave up on the split games in 2019 and almost won the cup. Would take the same this time round although would really like to see them go for it at Celtic Park no matter who is in the starting lineup.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

First game of the season I won't get to watch. Does anyone know when the full game will be available on Hearts TV?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Celtic and Rangers games full dress rehearsal for final. Other three to suss out any possible debates on starters or wild card eg Kirk. Maybe the likes of Ginnelly a bit more hand time. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, WDJ87 said:

First game of the season I won't get to watch. Does anyone know when the full game will be available on Hearts TV?

Games are normally available same evening but latest it's next day.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Rudi Hates Hibees
4 hours ago, maroonlegions said:

Just bought a ticket, only had the fair play stand as options??

 

 

Yeah, I held off until this afternoon In the hope they’d open lower tier. No doubt they will tomorrow now I’ve bought in Jerry Kerr. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

weegie jambo
6 hours ago, RobNox said:

Souttar back in training and ready to start running next week according to Robbie.  Halkett to see another specialist for assessment, so his participation is very much in the balance.

looks like i jumped the gun on the Halkett situation

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Aussie Jambo

Look no offence to Robbie as he has done the job this year. 

But FFS last 5 games are not worth a sook. Should have the subs bench and youngsters jockeying for first team spot. 

Look old form aside as be good to beat them. I don’t give a shit about Dundee Utd, Motherwell or Ross County. We have to save players for cup and face no more injuries. He’s going in all wrong IMO. We’ve got feck all to lose. 

 

image.thumb.jpeg.44858494c1c147cc299379768730e9b3.jpeg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Led Tasso
9 minutes ago, Aussie Jambo said:

Look no offence to Robbie as he has done the job this year. 

But FFS last 5 games are not worth a sook. Should have the subs bench and youngsters jockeying for first team spot. 

Look old form aside as be good to beat them. I don’t give a shit about Dundee Utd, Motherwell or Ross County. We have to save players for cup and face no more injuries. He’s going in all wrong IMO. We’ve got feck all to lose. 

 

 

 

I have to think the "a few injuries" will startlingly include 2/3 of our usual starting players.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Jambo92

Important to maintain momentum and feel good factor going into cup final and summer. Play best 11 that are fit and to maximum. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

jdl2002
6 hours ago, Aussie Jambo said:

Look no offence to Robbie as he has done the job this year. 

But FFS last 5 games are not worth a sook. Should have the subs bench and youngsters jockeying for first team spot. 

Look old form aside as be good to beat them. I don’t give a shit about Dundee Utd, Motherwell or Ross County. We have to save players for cup and face no more injuries. He’s going in all wrong IMO. We’ve got feck all to lose. 

 

image.thumb.jpeg.44858494c1c147cc299379768730e9b3.jpeg

What Robbie says at the presser and what happens for the game occasionally don’t compute. I expect a few regular starter players to be missing. Not in the know, just think they’ll manage game time now. Having said that, we have a strong squad, I still expect to beat them.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Kiwidoug

There is a matter of professionalism in this relating to respect for our oponents.  The results make no difference to our league position but they are of huge importance to the teams we are playing.

 

I also think that picking up as many points as possible will look better on the final table.

 

In saying all that, the two points Dundee United deprived Hibs from securing at the Giro had a major bearing on placing them in the bottom 6.  I won't burst into tears if we lose.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

McNelly15

If people think Robbie will rest player's because of the leagues done..... your crazy. These boys are choking to play every week just now and definitely wouldn't accept a rest at this point in time. Look at what the liverpool squad is doing just now. Twice a week etc in massive games.... they're lucky with injuries aye...  not a massive squad vying for a start every game...

 

Yes we have a small squad, I believe in Karma. Karma happens when everything has went against you for so many reasons...... then

 

3rd guaranteed (group stage next season)

3rd final in 4 years (Definitely more winnable than getting Celtic again btw)

 

We play rangers at home the week before the final... they potentially have a final 3 days before in Spain.... it's happening. 

 

The cup will be ours. 

 

As will 3 points at the weekend 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

                   Gordon 

       Moore Sibbick Kingsley

Atkinson                         Cochrane

               Devlin Haring 

     Boyce                        McKay

                    Simms

 

2-1 Hearts

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Debut 4
14 minutes ago, McNelly15 said:

If people think Robbie will rest player's because of the leagues done..... your crazy. These boys are choking to play every week just now and definitely wouldn't accept a rest at this point in time. Look at what the liverpool squad is doing just now. Twice a week etc in massive games.... they're lucky with injuries aye...  not a massive squad vying for a start every game...

 

Yes we have a small squad, I believe in Karma. Karma happens when everything has went against you for so many reasons...... then

 

3rd guaranteed (group stage next season)

3rd final in 4 years (Definitely more winnable than getting Celtic again btw)

 

We play rangers at home the week before the final... they potentially have a final 3 days before in Spain.... it's happening. 

 

The cup will be ours. 

 

As will 3 points at the weekend 

I agree.  I do think he’ll shuffle the pack a little to manager the injuries but I’m a great believer in momentum, players keeping on top of their sharpness in mind and body.

 

We need to get away from this mindset as a club of writing off matches. It seems RN thinks that way too.  Every game counts toward something better.  
 

Every game goes towards tightening up the mentality and wanting to win, players wanting to play better and feeling committed to doing the best job they can.  Any slip in mentality is worse than anything else, imo, but I do see a good one in our squad.  Having a strong will to win may just come into play for those games we are missing key players.  

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

GinRummy
33 minutes ago, Debut 4 said:

I agree.  I do think he’ll shuffle the pack a little to manager the injuries but I’m a great believer in momentum, players keeping on top of their sharpness in mind and body.

 

We need to get away from this mindset as a club of writing off matches. It seems RN thinks that way too.  Every game counts toward something better.  
 

Every game goes towards tightening up the mentality and wanting to win, players wanting to play better and feeling committed to doing the best job they can.  Any slip in mentality is worse than anything else, imo, but I do see a good one in our squad.  Having a strong will to win may just come into play for those games we are missing key players.  

 

 

Great post. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

We_are_the_Hearts
9 hours ago, Aussie Jambo said:

Look no offence to Robbie as he has done the job this year. 

But FFS last 5 games are not worth a sook. Should have the subs bench and youngsters jockeying for first team spot. 

Look old form aside as be good to beat them. I don’t give a shit about Dundee Utd, Motherwell or Ross County. We have to save players for cup and face no more injuries. He’s going in all wrong IMO. We’ve got feck all to lose. 

 

image.thumb.jpeg.44858494c1c147cc299379768730e9b3.jpeg

The fans paying good money to go on Sunday will give a sook and expect us to play our strongest team available. Debut 4 nailed it above, we need momentum and a winning mentality at the club. Starting with Tannadice. Looking forward to it. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Pans Jambo

Would love to see us get at least 64 points as hobos finished 3rd last year on 63 so that would be 7 points from 15 left.

 

So maximum points tomorrow and next week then 1 point from the last 9 would be fine. 

 

Last time we finished 3rd was in 2015/16 on 65 points. Would be great to match that.

 

Had a wee look back:

Hibs finished 4th in 2017/18 on 67 points.

 

Killi finished 3rd in 2018/19 on 67 points.

 

Mind you, Well finished 3rd in 2019/20 on only 46 points. What a dreadful season that was!

 

We can rest our best players for the last 2 games. Still plenty of time to go before the cup final.

 

Into them Hearts. Show this charity walking shower no quarter!

 

Utd 1 - Hearts 3

Link to comment
Share on other sites

gnasher75

                   Stewart

Atkinson Moore Sibbick Cochrane

               Devlin  Haring 

    Ginnelly  McEneff   GMS

                  Woodburn

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Leisham38

I don’t think we should be playing 11 kids but I would suggest the likes of Woodburn, Ginelly, Mceneff, Taylor Moore, Kirk, GMS should be starting. They need game time, they need fitness and a chance to prove themselves ahead of a huge cup final.

After being kicked at every opportunity last weekend against the physical Edinburgh team the likes of McKay and Haring should def be rested.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

FoH forever

Main concern for this week is getting through without any more injuries and the way things went against Dundee Utd last time, not sure we've got the depth to handle it at the moment. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

wavydavy
1 minute ago, FoH forever said:

Main concern for this week is getting through without any more injuries and the way things went against Dundee Utd last time, not sure we've got the depth to handle it at the moment. 

 

Agree. That is one reason why I think it is a rsiky strategy working with such as small squad.

 

Ok, I understand Robbie's views on this but when you get injuries like we have lately then we struggle to put a team on the pitch with players playing in their preferred positions.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

King prawn
5 hours ago, Debut 4 said:

I agree.  I do think he’ll shuffle the pack a little to manager the injuries but I’m a great believer in momentum, players keeping on top of their sharpness in mind and body.

 

We need to get away from this mindset as a club of writing off matches. It seems RN thinks that way too.  Every game counts toward something better.  
 

Every game goes towards tightening up the mentality and wanting to win, players wanting to play better and feeling committed to doing the best job they can.  Any slip in mentality is worse than anything else, imo, but I do see a good one in our squad.  Having a strong will to win may just come into play for those games we are missing key players.  

 

 

:spoton:

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

beerbandit
3 hours ago, gnasher75 said:

                   Stewart

Atkinson Moore Sibbick Cochrane

               Devlin  Haring 

    Ginnelly  McEneff   GMS

                  Woodburn

A back four for me as well. Although i would play Gordon in goal and perhaps Kirk up front. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

upgotheheads
27 minutes ago, beerbandit said:

A back four for me as well. Although i would play Gordon in goal and perhaps Kirk up front. 

 

       Stewart

Atkinson Moore Sibbick Cochrane

               Devlin  Haring 

    Ginnelly  McEneff   GMS

                  Woodburn

 

I agree, that would be the kind of formation I would like to see in the run in to the final. It would give some of the fringe players a chance to stake a claim.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

King prawn
4 hours ago, gnasher75 said:

                   Stewart

Atkinson Moore Sibbick Cochrane

               Devlin  Haring 

    Ginnelly  McEneff   GMS

                  Woodburn

Edit - hiding is a strong word . Put it this way, I don’t feel confident with that team 

Edited by King prawn
Link to comment
Share on other sites

TheBigO

I'd go with the following:

 

Gordon

 

Devlin

 

That should do it.  Maybe take Cam off after an hour, just want to manage him back to action.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Led Tasso

I think Robbie will field a professional team, and he'll definitely manage tactics to go for the win, but I also think the definition of "fit to play" will be and should be a lot narrower.

 

Anyone with a niggle should not be starting. Anyone with a knock should not be on the bench. Players playing with small injuries are more likely to get big injuries. Sometimes the game is worth taking the risk. For the next month, it is very much not, particularly as we're in a tier with five other clubs who are all desperate to pick up points and will be throwing bodies around.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Bazzas right boot
58 minutes ago, maroonlegions said:

:bolt:

 

😂

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Birregrande
On 18/04/2022 at 09:27, JFK-1 said:

OF aside everyone else is still contesting 4th place. Hearts are the only side in the top 6 who already know their end position. Does this mean everyone else will be more motivated? 

Not sure but I'm bringing my newspaper.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

soonbe110
10 minutes ago, Birregrande said:

Not sure but I'm bringing my newspaper.

Yes, it does feel a bit like that day at Ibrox. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

gnasher75
5 hours ago, King prawn said:

Edit - hiding is a strong word . Put it this way, I don’t feel confident with that team 

 

Neither do I particularly!

 

Put Gordon in instead of Stewart and it looks a lot better immediately.

 

Giving Sibbick and Moore a few games will help us to see if either of them can step us to the challenge. I really hope that Sibbick will in particular.

 

If Smith is fit he could play instead of Atkinson or Moore, or we could play a back 3.

 

The front four all have ability but haven't done enough consistently to deserve a place in our best team. Simms, Boyce and Mackay will all be in the Cup final team barring injury so the other 4 are playing for one place at most. If we could get them all playing well and competing for places, it means we will be as strong as possible going to Hampden.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, Led Tasso said:

we're in a tier with five other clubs who are all desperate to pick up points and will be throwing bodies around.

 

This is the quandary, I foresee the league not being fully settled till the last day. And it's feasible, even likely, that every last one of the five will have a need for a point/points on the last day.

It's going to be a brutal run in. All of them are scrapping for potential million of income. While Hearts are in this peculiar situation of being able to sort of sit back and watch it play out.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Seaside Dave
On 17/04/2022 at 09:42, GinRummy said:

Why is it on Sunday?

Trying to get us use to playing every Sunday because of Europe 🍻

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Pasquale for King
15 hours ago, gnasher75 said:

                   Stewart

Atkinson Moore Sibbick Cochrane

               Devlin  Haring 

    Ginnelly  McEneff   GMS

                  Woodburn

That night well be the starting lineup 👍🏽

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Win, loose or draw for me in all honesty. It is great to be in this position. Keep our key players fit but no doubt for Neilson one eye on the final. Gino, GMS, Woodburn, Moore, Kirk etc should start next few games then get Souttar, Devlin (hopefully Halkett) slowly back. 🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻

Link to comment
Share on other sites

CostaJambo
14 hours ago, Leisham38 said:

I don’t think we should be playing 11 kids but I would suggest the likes of Woodburn, Ginelly, Mceneff, Taylor Moore, Kirk, GMS should be starting. They need game time, they need fitness and a chance to prove themselves ahead of a huge cup final.

After being kicked at every opportunity last weekend against the physical Edinburgh team the likes of McKay and Haring should def be rested.

Have to agree generally. Not in favour of going all out for the win with our strongest 11 just to maintain momentum if it ends up with key players out injured for the cup final. Let the 5 or 6 behind them scrap it out for a start and a chance of a trophy to their name.

 

EDIT: Sibbick has to start IMO, needs game time just in case we need him for the final.

Edited by CostaJambo
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Kiwidoug

My phone app calls our division the Premiership Championship daivision and the other one the Premiership Relegation division.

 

Is that their actual titles? I hope so.  I like it.

 

Anyway I cant bring myself to pick a Hearts defeat or even a draw so I'll pick a weakened Hearts side to win 2-1 and no injuries.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Led Tasso

A one goal loss and no injuries would suit me just fine. No routs, please, but points not necessary.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Bunny Munro

Gordon

Atkinson Sibbick Moore Cochrane

Haring Devlin

Gino Woodburn GMS

Simms

 

Don't play a second string but squad rotation is key.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

TypoonJambo
3 hours ago, Bunny Munro said:

Gordon

Atkinson Sibbick Moore Cochrane

Haring Devlin

Gino Woodburn GMS

Simms

 

Don't play a second string but squad rotation is key.

This is about the maximum amount of tinkering/rotation/resting I would be happy with.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thomaso

So if this as been covered guys but why are we playing on Sunday?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

milky_26
57 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

So if this as been covered guys but why are we playing on Sunday?

dundee are at home today

Link to comment
Share on other sites

gnasher75
53 minutes ago, Thomaso said:

So if this as been covered guys but why are we playing on Sunday?

 

Dundee are playing at home today.

 

Not sure why they couldn't have arranged the fixtures differently to avoid the clash.

 

And not sure why our game was the one bumped to Sunday.

 

Will have to get used to it for next season but it will be weird not having many games on Saturday at 3.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Rocky jamboa

A great opportunity to rest players the next 5 games and keep us fresh for the final. Give the young lads a chance as well.

 

I wouldn't be playing Simms, mckay, Kingsley, Gordon, Boyce, cochrane or Haring more than twice in the 5 games. 

 

It's all about the final now!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share




×
×
  • Create New...