Respect for referees

[Nookie Bear]

Think there are two separate things here: respect for referees on the pitch and honest scrutiny of their decisions by the governing body. 
 

Some of the pressure out on referees during a game are ridiculous. A group of players screaming in their face without the threat of a card is unacceptable tbh. Even worse is that this behaviour is replicated at grass roots level and sees refs leaving the game (which for them is unpaid) due to intimidation from players and parents. 
That needs sorted but needs UEFA leadership because it is so common and widespread globally. 
 

I had a disagreement with an ex player years back when he criticised referees for not knowing the game. I suggested every professional club captain should be made to referee an amateur game to understand the role. He wasn’t buying that at all. 
 

As for scrutiny of refs by a governing body…was watching the old firm game and noticed a foul was given for a barge in the middle of the pitch that was identical to our non-penalty the night before at Easter road. Inconsistency that is never questioned or dealt with. Referees have to be instructed to follow the letter of the law REGARDLESS OF THE MATCH SITUATION OR WHERE THE OFFENCE IS COMMITTED. Anything other than that leaves too much open to interpretation and “spirit”. 
 

Apologies for the waffle etc 

[1971fozzy]

17 minutes ago, OTT said:

Indeed. I’d like the clubs to start to make a stand about these ‘honest mistakes’ and their frequency. 
 

They’re being paid grossly in excess of their ability and ‘more entirely confident for the same amount we could tempt better and impartial referees from abroad. Perhaps even with a better grasp of English too. - Poland, Estonia etc. cast the net far and wide and open it up to competent people. Hell, what about other commonwealth countries too? 
 

Our referees aren’t fit to wear the badge and today we’re going to see yet another example of that. 

your last paragraph is sadly a cert.  We all know there’s going to be controversial decisions 100% . It’s a nap and a reason I gave up going through  to support us at Ibrox and Parkhead over a decade ago.

bias will be on full show at Ibrox and Fir Park today. As guaranteed as can be.

Edited February 6, 2022 by 1971fozzy

[Nookie Bear]

11 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said:

The very fact they have admitted on many occasions that they referee games differently depending on whose playing is enough in itself to call foul.

 

They're just part of a bigger problem though. An underfinanced tinpot league where you play the same teams every month or so, games hand picked to avoid dispute, away fans being banned, a split that has even the ardent of supporters scratching their heads.

 

The whole Shitshow is bonkers. It's little wonder the referees are honking.

Except that the lack of respect for referees extends way beyond Scotland. It’s a football thing, not a Scottish thing. 

[JimmyCant]

I think when our set of referees respect the game and the integrity of the game and can blindly apply fairness, like they do in rugby, then they’ll get treated back with some respect 

[Bull's-eye]

1 hour ago, Nookie Bear said:

Except that the lack of respect for referees extends way beyond Scotland. It’s a football thing, not a Scottish thing. 

 

The OP comments about the refs in our league.

That's what the debate is about no ?

[Jambo 4 Ever]

1 hour ago, Nookie Bear said:

Pressley has done it against Hearts. Willie Miller practically had his own whistle. 

But really any recent examples? No

 

pointless and may even work against you too 

[Harry Potter]

4 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

But really any recent examples? No

 

pointless and may even work against you too 

we got denied 2 penalties against hibs, refs are a joke, as for linesmen, maybe want to take part more in a game.

[poggs]

23 hours ago, Vansen said:

There is plenty of cheating in both rugby codes, but generally the refs are respected and they don't tolerate dissent. 

A few years back in England the refs experimented with punishing dissent by moving a free kick forward 10 yards or something similar. I have no idea why they abandoned that as it seemed a good idea to reduce dissent. 

That being said, the refs up here deserve all the dissent they get for being useless, corrupt *******s 😤 😁

It was abandoned as the sanction was to be accompanied with a yellow card.  subsequently the refs didnt apply it as the few who did got pilloried for too many yellows and thus "not controlling the game"    The new sin bin method being applied in lower leagues in england is better as the player get 10 minutes in the sin bin but no yellow card.  So its used regularly and the players are learning to accept it.    But Slowly......

[Jambo 4 Ever]

The 10 min sin bin for yellow cards would be good 

[Vansen]

46 minutes ago, poggs said:

It was abandoned as the sanction was to be accompanied with a yellow card.  subsequently the refs didnt apply it as the few who did got pilloried for too many yellows and thus "not controlling the game"    The new sin bin method being applied in lower leagues in england is better as the player get 10 minutes in the sin bin but no yellow card.  So its used regularly and the players are learning to accept it.    But Slowly......

Thanks for that, I think I like the idea of a sin bin, ultimately up here you would still be at the mercy of our refs 🤬 

[Nookie Bear]

1 hour ago, Bull's-eye said:

 

The OP comments about the refs in our league.

That's what the debate is about no ?

I thought you were suggesting that referees being poor is as a result of our league being tinpot whereas every league in the world sees refs perform in the the same way. 

[Bull's-eye]

25 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

I thought you were suggesting that referees being poor is as a result of our league being tinpot whereas every league in the world sees refs perform in the the same way. 

 

did you now.

[Nookie Bear]

2 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said:

 

did you now.

well, yes 🤷‍♂️

[Hesh]

Think it helps only the captain can talk with the ref in rugby, also the refs are mic’ed up and can be heard by everyone. You might not agree with the decision but at least you heard the explanation. Finally there was the boy the other week who got sent off for swearing at the ref questioning a decision, if a player has a go at a ref he just gets carded and gets little sympathy 

[Superscot]

Respect for referees in rugby is part of the culture. You see players shamed publicly for poor behaviour (e.g. swearing), referees have the authority to penalise misbehaviour, and they use it. Therefore, youngsters in rugby grow up with a clear picture and example of how they should behave. Respect between players and referees is celebrated, before, during and after the matches - that's how you create and foster a culture.

 

 

Football is the opposite. Youngsters grow up seeing grown men fall to the ground and roll around with barely a touch. Crowding the referee is common place at every level, irrespective of how right or wrong the decision is. Referees have the authority to penalise players who rush towards them or aggressively crowd them, but fail to use it often enough. So referees aren't doing themselves any favours either.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/1473742/professional-footballers-will-now-get-booked-or-sent-off-for-touching-or-confronting-a-referee/

 

Obviously there are exceptions and instances of poor behaviour in rugby, and likewise sportsmanlike conduct in football, but it comes down to what is more common, which dictates the stereotypes and the reputation. I'd personally love to see referees crack down on players attempting to intimidate them - don't understand why they haven't so far.

Edited February 6, 2022 by Superscot

[Superscot]

18 minutes ago, Hesh said:

Think it helps only the captain can talk with the ref in rugby, also the refs are mic’ed up and can be heard by everyone. You might not agree with the decision but at least you heard the explanation. Finally there was the boy the other week who got sent off for swearing at the ref questioning a decision, if a player has a go at a ref he just gets carded and gets little sympathy 

 

+1 to this, they could easily adopt some rules from rugby:

 

1) Captains only authorised to speak to referees, perhaps Vice Captain or GK too

2) Captains present when the referee penalises one of their players

3) Yellow cards for repetitive fouling by a team (to the next player)

4) Yellow cards for all or any obscenity towards referee or other players

5) Yellow cards for rushing in or intimidating the referee

 

It won't happen, but 2-3 of these and you'd be watching a very different game, where referees might have time, space and comfort to even explain their decisions.

[niblick1874]

2 hours ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

The 10 min sin bin for yellow cards would be good 

 

 

[Spellczech]

Football referees demand respect and try to assert their authority on games by laying down a marker or allowing lassitude then suddenly flipping and punishing someone. Rugby referees simply have authority. I would suggest that footballers do not really know what to expect from officials and rugby players know what to expect. 

 

Also Rasi Erasmus the South Africa Head Coach got castigated for his attacks on the officials during the Lions tour, The rest of rugby supported that decision. In football, managers will get heavy punishment for questioning officials but it happens often and quite often people have sympathy for the manager...Literally a different ball game.  FIFA could learn a lot from World Rugby...

Edited February 6, 2022 by Spellczech

[Jambo 4 Ever]

Actually thought tonight’s referee was alright 

[cookieboy]

28 minutes ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

Actually thought tonight’s referee was alright 

not an excuse for defeat but he was terrible

[Jambo 4 Ever]

On 06/02/2022 at 10:10, Des Lynam said:

Rugby is easier to officiate. Everything is generally behind and in line which means the ref can control the game better. 
 

The way players speak to the ref should be more respectful but some of these refs are effin hopeless/corrupt and that’s hard to deal with. 

you don't get the swearing from rugby players like you do with the footballers

[Malinga the Swinga]

There are no good referees in any sport, just ones that aren't as bad as others.

 

[Footballfirst]

Referees will get respect when they get big decisions right.

 

In a recent VAR trial at the Oriam the Cat 1 referee apparently got a couple wrong with two of his yellow card decisions upgraded to red on review.

 

In the same game one of the assistants put his flag up for offside after allowing a goal to be scored. After a 2' 30" review the referee confirmed the offside and whistled for the game to resume, only to stop it again before the free kick was actually taken. A further minute's review ended up with the goal being awarded, so the assistant was deemed to have called the offside wrong. In the midst of the review you could hear the referee saying to the VAR "what's going on guys.

 

Another oddity was a "VAR" review to see if the ball had crossed the line, which the Assistant had judged to be a goal. The referee again could be heard asking his assistants "How do I restart the game if the ball hasn't crossed the line?"  The reason for his question is moot as I don't believe that VAR is meant to be used for goal line decisions, without separate goal line technology.