Historical Tweets/Posts on Social Media

[sandyk]

I saw this regarding an English Cricketer, Ollie Robinson, being suspended from the England Cricket Team due to 'racist and sexist' tweets when he was 18/19 years old

 

Ollie Robinson tweets: England seamer apologises for historical racist and sexist posts - BBC Sport

 

We all do things in our youth that we may regret at some point , so is it a warning to the current crop of teenagers that you should think twice about posting such stuff, as it could damage a promising career in the years to come, or is this type of punishment over the top?

[Governor Tarkin]

7 minutes ago, sandyk said:

 

We all do things in our youth that we may regret at some point , so is it a warning to the current crop of teenagers that you should think twice about posting such stuff, as it could damage a promising career in the years to come, or is this type of punishment over the top?

 

Completely over the top.

 

[Cade]

People change.

If he makes it clear that he was a stupid wee bam and recants, then he should be reinstated.

People make mistakes and if they can prove they've learned from them, then forgiveness should be given.

If, however, evidence of continued, recent arsehole behaviour is found then that's another matter.

 

ECB have performed a ridiculous knee-jerk reaction because they think they have to be seen to be doing something.

Edited June 7, 2021 by Cade

[Gizmo]

It should either be routine at the time of hiring someone, since companies and, especially, entertainment or sponsored endeavours like sport, are extremely adverse to bad publicity or should not be carried out. People with bankruptcies or criminal records have those espunged after "X" years so perhaps the same should apply to social media posts?

Mind you, when Toby Young's disgusting posts on education ("disabled students clutter up the place" for example, which he retrospectively justified as him having an "agent provocateur persona"*) came back to bite him when he started mass deleting his post history on twitter when offered the position as a Tory Education Csar. Can't say I felt sorry for this ******* not getting that post, considering his Daddy got him in to University as he was too thick to qualify on his own merits.

*excuse for being an opinionated gobshite

Edited June 7, 2021 by Gizmo

[Governor Tarkin]

8 minutes ago, Cade said:

 

If he makes it clear that he was a stupid wee bam and recants, then he should be reinstated.

 

 

That's exactly what he's done, Cade. I thought he showed great humility.

[Shanks]

Its the pathetic world we live in now.  Be like an employer sacking a hearts fan for singing ‘oh the hibees are gay’ years ago. 

times change, people change. Get over it. 

[Governor Tarkin]

They're talking about it on LBC just now. I ****ing hate the world.

 

[EH11_2NL]

3 hours ago, Shanks said:

Its the pathetic world we live in now.  Be like an employer sacking a hearts fan for singing ‘oh the hibees are gay’ years ago. 

times change, people change. Get over it. 

Absolutely this. How far back do you go? Early/mid 80s I was singing The Sash in the shed with the rest of them. Eff the pope this and eff the pope that. Gordon Rae is known to be gay...etc..etc. Now I would be sacked instantly from my job if I came out with that nonsense and ultimately it is juvenile nonsense. We were all young and daft and impressionable. Then you grow up (most of us). 

[Governor Tarkin]

3 minutes ago, EH11_2NL said:

Absolutely this. How far back do you go? Early/mid 80s I was singing The Sash in the shed with the rest of them. Eff the pope this and eff the pope that. Gordon Rae is known to be gay...etc..etc. Now I would be sacked instantly from my job if I came out with that nonsense and ultimately it is juvenile nonsense. We were all young and daft and impressionable. Then you grow up (most of us). 

 

Correct. One of my mates who threw a banana at Mark Walters from the shed when he was 13 grew up to be a black man. Mental.

[Norm]

12 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Correct. One of my mates who threw a banana at Mark Walters from the shed when he was 13 grew up to be a black man. Mental.

[kila]

I think that's the problem with social media.

 

You have a 'profile' and what you post on that is meant to be a reflection of you. The trouble is, the posted content seemingly lives forever and some people have been on a social media site for decades.

 

People do change and I think historical posts no longer said could be proof of that. Though these incidents suggest higher profile people should perhaps do some housekeeping on their public profile if some posts no longer reflects them.

 

 

 

Edited June 7, 2021 by kila

[I P Knightley]

His case not being helped by having the current prime minister, a man whose publication past is racist and sexist, speak up for him. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

He was a  later age teenager when he posted those tweets so was an adult . He knew what he was tweeting was probably sexist and racist . Either he is both and is thick too . Or all 3 ! He’s only regretting it cause it might impact on his endorsements or career . Saying that he “appears “ to be contrite so he can have the benefit of the doubt from me .

[Gizmo]

13 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Didn't know the Tralfamadorians had already taken over the planet.

 

Ach well, so it goes.

By christ I didn't expect to see such a perfectly weighted Vonnegut reference today. 👽 🚽 

[Byyy The Light]

Wish social media would just get itself to **** in all honesty.  I also wish the people who go about looking for these things and bringing them to light would do one as well.

 

EVERYONE at some point in their life has either said something, thought something, found something amusing or let something said by another pass, that is not "acceptable".  This guy was stupid enough to write it down for the world to see but it's the double standards in it all that I just can't be arsed with.

 

Very vast and difficult topic to grasp. Wish it had never been invented.

 

 

[Jambo-Jimbo]

Probably an overreaction by the ECB, however if they weren't seen to be doing something they'd get accused of condoning his behaviour, and the campaigners would be kicking up blue murder, the ECB were pretty much damned if they do, damned if they dont.

[graygo]

16 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

He was a  later age teenager when he posted those tweets so was an adult . He knew what he was tweeting was probably sexist and racist . Either he is both and is thick too . Or all 3 ! He’s only regretting it cause it might impact on his endorsements or career . Saying that he “appears “ to be contrite so he can have the benefit of the doubt from me .

 

Benefit of the doubt after saying all that? You're having a laugh.

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, Awbdy Oot said:

 

Benefit of the doubt after saying all that? You're having a laugh.

I was playing devils advocate ! I do believe people can change but he was an adult and had those views so they were inherent in him for some reason. 

[graygo]

39 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I was playing devils advocate ! I do believe people can change but he was an adult and had those views so they were inherent in him for some reason. 

 

Your post was neither playing Devil's advocate or giving the benefit of the doubt. You added the last sentence because you knew the rest of your post went against every other viewpoint on the thread. It's obvious what your views are, own them.

Try reading it again and you'll maybe see that your last sentence has no place in that post.

 

Cue slightly camp gif.

[kila]

44 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

I was playing devils advocate ! I do believe people can change but he was an adult and had those views so they were inherent in him for some reason. 

 

Will be interesting to see how well your posts age on the covid thread

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

18 minutes ago, Awbdy Oot said:

 

Your post was neither playing Devil's advocate or giving the benefit of the doubt. You added the last sentence because you knew the rest of your post went against every other viewpoint on the thread. It's obvious what your views are, own them.

Try reading it again and you'll maybe see that your last sentence has no place in that post.

 

Cue slightly camp gif.

It’s a way out camp gif and why not ! 

Edited June 7, 2021 by JamesM48

[JudyJudyJudy]

13 minutes ago, kila said:

 

Will be interesting to see how well your posts age on the covid thread

 

Interesting to absolutely  no one really , just like everyone’s  else’s  really ! It’s only an online forum . Let’s not kid ourselves . I’m enjoying my break from that thread anyway . 

[Governor Tarkin]

19 minutes ago, Awbdy Oot said:

 

Your post was neither playing Devil's advocate or giving the benefit of the doubt. You added the last sentence because you knew the rest of your post went against every other viewpoint on the thread. It's obvious what your views are, own them.

Try reading it again and you'll maybe see that your last sentence has no place in that post.

 

Cue slightly camp gif.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

20 minutes ago, Awbdy Oot said:

 

Your post was neither playing Devil's advocate or giving the benefit of the doubt. You added the last sentence because you knew the rest of your post went against every other viewpoint on the thread. It's obvious what your views are, own them.

Try reading it again and you'll maybe see that your last sentence has no place in that post.

 

Cue slightly camp gif.

Jesus never heard of u Before but u seem Another amateur psychologist . There seems to be a few on this who over analyse everthing people write . I don’t give a flying **** about that guy or what he wrote I only thought that if he said that at 19 he most have actually meant it . It was inherent in his thinking . I believe that human beings have the  capacity to change and he may well have 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

 

[graygo]

6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Jesus never heard of u Before but u seem Another amateur psychologist . There seems to be a few on this who over analyse everthing people write . I don’t give a flying **** about that guy or what he wrote I only thought that if he said that at 19 he most have actually meant it . It was inherent in his thinking . I believe that human beings have the  capacity to change and he may well have 

 

 

[graygo]

5 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Basically, anyone in the public eye and every job candidate should be forced - prior to every appearance - to disclose the following:

 

- all social media accounts

- all current and previous political ideas

- football allegiances

- thoughts on Brexit

- a list of everything they've jacked off to on porn hub

- preferred pronouns

 

Nobody would ever get hired. 😄

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, Awbdy Oot said:

 

 

You haven’t touched any nerve on me on me at all . Fantasy psychological balls again . Sorry . I’m perfectly fine 

[King prawn]

I’m sure every single one of us said something that would be frowned upon nowadays when we were 18. 
 

Overreaction in my opinion but once again shows the dangers of having a social media account. 

[John Findlay]

Could have been worse, could have been apologising for something he never said or was never involved in from a couple of centuries ago.

[Governor Tarkin]

25 minutes ago, Awbdy Oot said:

 

 

 

 

James...

[Jeffros Furios]

42 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Could have been worse, could have been apologising for something he never said or was never involved in from a couple of centuries ago.

Those ******s  call themselves progressives ,  i call them arseholes .

[CF11JamTart]

2 hours ago, jonesy said:

Glad someone got the reference!

 

The lad was some writer, and a very good describer of humanity, both its evils and its positive attributes.

Going off topic.. Apologies... But... If I was going to read Vonnegut, which book would be a good place to start? 

[Tazio]

3 minutes ago, CF11JamTart said:

Going off topic.. Apologies... But... If I was going to read Vonnegut, which book would be a good place to start? 

Slaughterhouse 5 or Breakfast Of Champions would be my recommendations. 

[Samuel Camazzola]

Neil Pointon's Cup Final recording or John Robertson 'This Is Your Life' would no doubt lead to a couple of suspensions...

[milky_26]

there is reports that a second member of the england cricket team is being investigated for a historica tweet or SM post that may have contained racist language

[1971fozzy]

4 hours ago, King prawn said:

I’m sure every single one of us said something that would be frowned upon nowadays when we were 18. 
 

Overreaction in my opinion but once again shows the dangers of having a social media account. 

bang on the money.

why anybody would go on these platforms baffles me. Unless your talking about your cat, your tea or your favourite soap opera then chances are you’ve posted something that will be frowned upon. Absolutely no good comes from it IMHO

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 hours ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

 

James...

 

[A Boy Named Crow]

10 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

He was a  later age teenager when he posted those tweets so was an adult . He knew what he was tweeting was probably sexist and racist . Either he is both and is thick too . Or all 3 ! He’s only regretting it cause it might impact on his endorsements or career . Saying that he “appears “ to be contrite so he can have the benefit of the doubt from me .

Since your mid-teens, have said or done anything you now regret, that you would argue against now, and feel a bit miffed if it ended up threatening your career?

[ri Alban]

1 hour ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

Since the mid-afternoon , have you  said or done anything you now regret, that you would argue against now, and feel a bit miffed if it ended up threatening your career?

Yes.

[Jamstomorrow]

10 hours ago, John Findlay said:

Could have been worse, could have been apologising for something he never said or was never involved in from a couple of centuries ago.

Correct, although I never expected an apology for the Spanish Inquisition.    . . . . . .    Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition though!

[John Findlay]

1 hour ago, Jamstomorrow said:

Correct, although I never expected an apology for the Spanish Inquisition.    . . . . . .    Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition though!

Someone watches Monty Python😉

[XB52]

I cringe when I think of some of the things I said and sang when I was younger. Thankfully I grew up and, assuming he did too, then his apologies should be enough to get him back playing soon. 

[Jamstomorrow]

46 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Someone watches Monty Python😉

I am indeed of a certain vintage!

[Ribble]

14 hours ago, Byyy The Light said:

Wish social media would just get itself to **** in all honesty.  I also wish the people who go about looking for these things and bringing them to light would do one as well.

 

EVERYONE at some point in their life has either said something, thought something, found something amusing or let something said by another pass, that is not "acceptable".  This guy was stupid enough to write it down for the world to see but it's the double standards in it all that I just can't be arsed with.

 

Very vast and difficult topic to grasp. Wish it had never been invented.

 

 

 

Correct, it's basically a recording of everything stupid everyone has ever said down the pub

[A Boy Named Crow]

3 hours ago, ri Alban said:

Yes.

[Nookie Bear]

19 hours ago, Lord BJ said:

It’s hard not to feel for the guy. It seems to have been blown out of all proportions, he’s apologised for his actions from 10years ago. There’s not really much more he can do. He can’t change the past. 
 

If ECB had discovered these tweets prior to his selection, what would they have done? Not selected him due to his past, announced they were selecting a player who has some dodgy tweets, undertook a clean operation prior to him being selected? 
 

I don’t use social media, one of the main reasons I don’t want something to come back and bite me I’m the future. I do have it to follow the kids and make sure they’re ok on it. 
 

Will be interesting to see if his career manages to recover. 
 

 

 

But what constitutes "dodgy" tweets, or dodgy behaviours?

 

What if he posted something about Israel/Palestine? Pro-Brexit? Should James McLean be suspended by the FA for his pro-IRA tweets?

 

The England batting coach, Graham Thorp, is a UKIP member who walked out on his wife and 4 kids after a string of extra-marital affairs? Is that acceptable? Not to some.

 

What about the MCC? An organisation that only allowed women in 23 years ago. I reckon loads of those old duffers involved in that vote still enjoy the comforts of the Lords pavilion - we need to release the details of that vote in 1998 (to admit women) and kick out those who voted against it).

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, Lord BJ said:

Apparently anther player is being looked at. The tweets were made when he was 15/16 allegedly.

If you are talking about Ross Peltier he was 19 , not 15/16 when he wrote homophobic and sexist tweets , which he has admitted were unacceptable . 

[Governor Tarkin]

I reckon that most folk have at least one whatsapp group chat that would see them fired, beaten up, locked up, strung up, and cancelled.

 

What passes as crass humour amongst consenting adults doesn't necessarily represent the actual views of those involved. Quite the opposite sometimes.

This is the problem with social media. It's too easy to carry over some satirically offensive nonsense from one forum into another with an entirely different audience.

And when you do there's no going back. Ever.

[ri Alban]

19 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

I reckon that most folk have at least one whatsapp group chat that would see them fired, beaten up, locked up, strung up, and cancelled.

 

What passes as crass humour amongst consenting adults doesn't necessarily represent the actual views of those involved. Quite the opposite sometimes.

This is the problem with social media. It's too easy to carry over some satirically offensive nonsense from one forum into another with an entirely different audience.

And when you do there's no going back. Ever. 

Going by jkb, folk just don't spot sarcasm or light bamming up. Too serious are some folk on here. Which sometimes leads to me saying to myself "Feck this" Then it's gloves off.