Hickey being linked with Celtic

[Horatio Caine]

BBC reporting this morning that Celtic look like being priced out as his fee just rose to 8M

[TexasAndy]

7 hours ago, tian447 said:

 

 

If he can stay in Italy for a couple of years, training and playing with and against some very experienced professionals, in a totally different footballing culture, he will develop so much more than sitting on Celtic's bench getting the occasional game against Motherwell and Ross County.

 

He would be absolutely ****ing stupid to even consider signing for them.  The next 3 to 5 years of his career are absolutely critical for him to make the most of, and try and develop himself as much as he can, or he could quite easily join the faceless cast of thousands that have pissed it all away and ended up nowhere.

Spot on.  I would go as far to say that remaining in Italy would see him become a regular in the Scotland squad in the not too distant future.

[upgotheheads]

I hope we put put a sell-on percentage in the contract. 

[johnking123]

I'm sure we did. But if we didn't,  Someone should hang for it!

[sac]

For £8m, I doubt he’ll be going to the mhanks

[Guest ToqueJambo]

15 hours ago, Homme said:

Italy on the verge of a Euros win which has been achieved by a squad of players from all over Serie A, not just the top clubs. 

 

As a defender / attacking wing back and given Italy's new approach to football he will never be in a better place to develop as a player. 

 

He's not going to play for Italy of course but to give that all up to come back to this shite house of a league would be the most stupid thing on a footballing level ever.

 

Especially if they sell their first place LB. It seems like Bologna are kind of like us in terms of their place in the pecking order when it comes to transfers - a stepping tone club basically. If they can get a big fee for Djiks they will see Hickey as a ready made replacement who they can also develop and sell on.

 

Coming back here to Celtic would just be an extra stepping stone for HIckey, which he doesn't need. He'll know he can always go to Celtic later in his career anyhow if he's successful, assuming that's one of his ambitions as a fan.

Edited July 7, 2021 by ToqueJambo

[vegas-voss]

7 hours ago, Horatio Caine said:

BBC reporting this morning that Celtic look like being priced out as his fee just rose to 8M

Of course they will.Will be a host of bigger clubs in Italy monitoring Hickey's development.

 

Would just be like Scotland to never cap Hickey cause he isn't playing in Scotland or top two leagues in England.

[Forrest]

Other countries reap the benefits because they're not scared of capping their young players; Clark was basically forced into playing Gilmour because of the Czech result.  How does he accomodate Hickey, Robertson and Tierney though?

[Last Laff]

7 minutes ago, Forrest said:

Other countries reap the benefits because they're not scared of capping their young players; Clark was basically forced into playing Gilmour because of the Czech result.  How does he accomodate Hickey, Robertson and Tierney though?

 

Play Hickey left midfield. 

[vegas-voss]

The Scotsman has a cheek " enormous fee for Hickey "

 

A season at Celtic they would have a £20m valuation on him.

[milky_26]

8 minutes ago, Forrest said:

Other countries reap the benefits because they're not scared of capping their young players; Clark was basically forced into playing Gilmour because of the Czech result.  How does he accomodate Hickey, Robertson and Tierney though?

tierney LCH, robertson LWB, hickey RWB

[Darren]

9 minutes ago, Forrest said:

Other countries reap the benefits because they're not scared of capping their young players; Clark was basically forced into playing Gilmour because of the Czech result.  How does he accomodate Hickey, Robertson and Tierney though?

Play Hickey at right wingback. Unlike Tierney, he can actually use his right foot for more than balancing on.

[vegas-voss]

4 minutes ago, Last Laff said:

 

Play Hickey left midfield. 

Or Right back but we have another very good prospect coming through for that with the lad Patterson.Its not really about Hickey or other young players taking over from Robertson or Tierney just now though it's about making them part of the set up.Although i suppose it's easier for bigger nations as they have easier games and Scotland well unfortunately every game is pretty difficult. 

Edited July 7, 2021 by vegas-voss

[Last Laff]

1 minute ago, vegas-voss said:

Or Right back but we have another very good prospect coming through for that with the lad Patterson.Its not really about Hickey or other young players taking over from Robertson or Tierney just now though it's about making them part of the set up.Although i suppose it's easier for bigger nations as they have easier games and Scotland well unfortunately every game is pretty difficult. 

 

Yeah I agree totally.  Pattersons the future at RB for me.  Hickey I think will gradually become a midfielder unless he goes on the left as part of a 5 all his career.  He's technically good enough to pull the strings in the middle of the park.  

[vegas-voss]

7 minutes ago, Last Laff said:

 

Yeah I agree totally.  Pattersons the future at RB for me.  Hickey I think will gradually become a midfielder unless he goes on the left as part of a 5 all his career.  He's technically good enough to pull the strings in the middle of the park.  

I always thought if he went to Germany that would have been his path.Lb then moving to midfield 

[Last Laff]

1 minute ago, vegas-voss said:

I always thought if he went to Germany that would have been his path.Lb then moving to midfield 

 

Yeah.  Him being in Italy cast doubts over that transition. 

[Last Laff]

Just now, Last Laff said:

 

Yeah.  Him being in Italy cast doubts over that transition. 

 

Saying that I would take the Scottish Spinazzola.

[kila]

We surely will have a sell on fee, just a question of how much. 8-10% would be a good start if his value is going to be mouthwatering!

 

[Perth to Paisley]

2 hours ago, Last Laff said:

 

Yeah.  Him being in Italy cast doubts over that transition. 

Why?

[Last Laff]

2 minutes ago, Perth to Paisley said:

Why?

 

They specialise in the art of defending?   Left backs usually end up at CH.

[Pans Jambo]

Is he REALLY being linked though???

 

Weejy media trying to link him more like. 
 

Utter pish non-story. 
 

His club FORCED to slap an £8M price tag on him because the Daily feckin Record keep phoning them for their “reaction”. 
 

[Pilmuir]

Tells you all you need to know about Celtic that they would not pay Hearts a decent fee for Hickey yet they will (reportedly) pay multiples more to bring him back from Italy just months later. Bonkers.

[OTT]

19 hours ago, Forrest said:

Other countries reap the benefits because they're not scared of capping their young players; Clark was basically forced into playing Gilmour because of the Czech result.  How does he accomodate Hickey, Robertson and Tierney though?

You can’t. However, Hickey is versatile so could help compete on the right along with Patterson and O’Donnell. Also highly unlikely Roberson is going to play every Scotland game till he retires (injuries/ suspensions/ rests) so Hickey will get caps. 
 

I really hope we made sure we got a sell on fee. 

[Pans Jambo]

1 hour ago, Pilmuir said:

Tells you all you need to know about Celtic that they would not pay Hearts a decent fee for Hickey yet they will (reportedly) pay multiples more to bring him back from Italy just months later. Bonkers.

Reportedly?

 

Aye?

[db211833]

23 hours ago, kila said:

We surely will have a sell on fee, just a question of how much. 8-10% would be a good start if his value is going to be mouthwatering!

 

You would definitely hope so but I'm not sure I've ever seen anything other than speculation about it. Someone needs sacking if we don't. 

[Norm]

10 minutes ago, db211833 said:

You would definitely hope so but I'm not sure I've ever seen anything other than speculation about it. Someone needs sacking if we don't. 

The fact it was never reported makes me think there isn't one. I don't necessarily think someone needs sacked for it though.

[db211833]

37 minutes ago, Norm said:

The fact it was never reported makes me think there isn't one. I don't necessarily think someone needs sacked for it though.

That's  my fear you normally get some snippet about the sell on. In football terms we basically got buttons for him. Not insisting on a sell on would represent terrible trading. And I'm definitely not one who looks for sticks to beat the club with.

[OTT]

On 06/07/2021 at 23:44, Kiwidoug said:

That's great.  I love scottish football  but I honestly believe a young guy with his talent is much better off in one of the bigger leagues.

 

Like everyone, I was astounded at his performance in that cup final.  What a player.

It’s the thing about Scott Brown, all the talent in the world, combative, amazing but chose to pick up trophy after trophy on easy street than try and challenge himself down south. Hope Hickey goes on to play at the very top level. Going to Celtic when you have his level of potential is silly and I think he knows that tbh. 

[Saint Jambo]

1 hour ago, db211833 said:

That's  my fear you normally get some snippet about the sell on. In football terms we basically got buttons for him. Not insisting on a sell on would represent terrible trading. And I'm definitely not one who looks for sticks to beat the club with.

 

I'm not convinced sell on fees are routinely reported at time of transfer. More often seem to get reported when there is then interest in the player at his next club. For example I had a quick search for stories about John McGinn's transfers and there doesn't seem to be anything at the time of his transfer from St Mirren to Hibs about a sell on fee and then when he was sold to Villa no mention of a sell on fee that could favour Hibs in the future. There are then various stories from a couple of years later when McGinn began to attract interest again 'revealing' the sell on fee that would be due to Hibs.

 

In the case of Hickey it is probably one that will only become clear if and when he is transferred. I agree that we should have taken the risk of a lower fee for a potential future sell on with Hickey. But not a stick to beat the club with yet as we really don't know they haven't done exactly that.

[Bazzas right boot]

On 07/07/2021 at 16:21, vegas-voss said:

Of course they will.Will be a host of bigger clubs in Italy monitoring Hickey's development.

 

Would just be like Scotland to never cap Hickey cause he isn't playing in Scotland or top two leagues in England.

 

 

Robertson and Tierney aren't bad tho. 

 

Hickey not playing for Scotland is more to do the quality in front of him, atm. 

 

 

[Guest ToqueJambo]

5 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Robertson and Tierney aren't bad tho. 

 

Hickey not playing for Scotland is more to do the quality in front of him, atm. 

 

 

 

He should have been involved in a squad at least, but hasn't even been capped at U21 level. You'd hope the management know he's two footed and can slot in at CB in a 3 too.

 

You look at Scotland with Billy Gilmour probably only there because Jack and McLean were out and then you look at how England have been throwing kids in an involving them at a very young age, and they're now beginning to reap the benefits.

[Bazzas right boot]

1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

He should have been involved in a squad at least, but hasn't even been capped at U21 level. You'd hope the management know he's two footed and can slot in at CB in a 3 too.

 

You look at Scotland with Billy Gilmour probably only there because Jack and McLean were out and then you look at how England have been throwing kids in an involving them at a very young age, and they're now beginning to reap the benefits.

 

Not sure he's a international centre half Tbh. Not a fan of shoe- Horning folk in either Tbh. 

He's a bit unlucky he's a lb at a time we have 2 really good players in that position. 

 

I agree reference last part, we need to involve players earlier. 

 

 

[Robbo-Jambo]

12 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Robertson and Tierney aren't bad tho. 

 

Hickey not playing for Scotland is more to do the quality in front of him, atm. 

 

 

Plenty decent left sided players in Scotland squad.

 

Not so much on the right eg. O'Donnell 🙁

[vegas-voss]

14 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Robertson and Tierney aren't bad tho. 

 

Hickey not playing for Scotland is more to do the quality in front of him, atm. 

 

 

I was really talking about the future though when I posted that sorry.

[Ribble]

20 hours ago, db211833 said:

That's  my fear you normally get some snippet about the sell on. In football terms we basically got buttons for him. Not insisting on a sell on would represent terrible trading. And I'm definitely not one who looks for sticks to beat the club with.

 

From memory the fee was agreed but we then negotiated 'clauses' for almost a fortnight after that, would very much think a sell on would have been included in that

[Last Laff]

2 minutes ago, Ribble said:

 

From memory the fee was agreed but we then negotiated 'clauses' for almost a fortnight after that, would very much think a sell on would have been included in that

 

Was it not just "raising to" clauses?

 

The club should be shouting it from the rooftop if we have a sell on clause as it's very well done considering Celtic got 30% of the Bologna fee. 

Edited July 9, 2021 by Last Laff

[Ribble]

1 minute ago, Last Laff said:

 

Was it not just "raising to" clauses?

 

No idea, but hard to imagine we negotiated for almost a fortnight on clauses and didn't think to at least try and get a sell on 

[Last Laff]

Just now, Ribble said:

 

No idea, but hard to imagine we negotiated for almost a fortnight on clauses and didn't think to at least try and get a sell on 

 

You would like to think so, but.....

[Lone Striker]

On 08/07/2021 at 19:43, db211833 said:

That's  my fear you normally get some snippet about the sell on. In football terms we basically got buttons for him. Not insisting on a sell on would represent terrible trading. And I'm definitely not one who looks for sticks to beat the club with.

I think Hearts have woken up to the danger of media leaks now.   So we're not seeing any media gossip about signing targets, and no ITK folks on here coming up with info - quite possibly also keeping our contract/transfer details under wraps.     Starting to like this summer's activity at Hearts - the culture of the club looks to be changing for the better.  

[Last Laff]

1 minute ago, Lone Striker said:

I think Hearts have woken up to the danger of media leaks now.   So we're not seeing any media gossip about signing targets, and no ITK folks on here coming up with info - quite possibly also keeping our contract/transfer details under wraps.     Starting to like this summer's activity at Hearts - the culture of the club looks to be changing for the better.  

 

His agent/dad, if he's any interest in moving Hickey on would have leaked a percentage fee to the Scottish media to make it look like to us, fans it's a good deal for us too.  I suppose that can only been seen as a massive positive he's not going to Celtic. 

[JamboAl]

21 hours ago, Last Laff said:

 

Was it not just "raising to" clauses?

 

The club should be shouting it from the rooftop if we have a sell on clause as it's very well done considering Celtic got 30% of the Bologna fee. 

Why should they?

[Lfhearts]

1 minute ago, JamboAl said:

Why should they?

Coz we need a win for a change 

[ford donald]

On 07/07/2021 at 17:44, vegas-voss said:

The Scotsman has a cheek " enormous fee for Hickey "

 

A season at Celtic they would have a £20m valuation on him.

 

He has a lot of potential, well worth 7-8m,couple of years on, double that.

[JamboAl]

5 minutes ago, Lfhearts said:

Coz we need a win for a change 

Another idiotic reply but I'll bite.

Excluding, cups, when was the last time we lost?  Finished 12 points ahead of the field.

PS - We're even unbeaten in friendlies so that's your "for a change" looking a bit sick.

[No Idle Talk]

I have never seen Hickey playing for Bologna but if he is doing as well over there as some people say he is then Celtic would be a crap move for him at this point in his career. If he is doing well at Bologna he will be well and truly on the radar of clubs like Juventus, AC Milan, and Inter. Or even clubs the level below that like Roma, Lazio, or Napoli. All of these clubs would be a better environment than Celtic for Hickey to improve his game and develop his career. Living in Italy will also help him to lead a healthier lifestyle away from football than if he comes back here to Scotland and our drinking culture.

 

Stay where you are young man.

[CJGJ]

On 08/07/2021 at 20:54, Saint Jambo said:

 

I'm not convinced sell on fees are routinely reported at time of transfer. More often seem to get reported when there is then interest in the player at his next club. For example I had a quick search for stories about John McGinn's transfers and there doesn't seem to be anything at the time of his transfer from St Mirren to Hibs about a sell on fee and then when he was sold to Villa no mention of a sell on fee that could favour Hibs in the future. There are then various stories from a couple of years later when McGinn began to attract interest again 'revealing' the sell on fee that would be due to Hibs.

 

In the case of Hickey it is probably one that will only become clear if and when he is transferred. I agree that we should have taken the risk of a lower fee for a potential future sell on with Hickey. But not a stick to beat the club with yet as we really don't know they haven't done exactly that.

The McGinn deal re sell on was posted by myself and others way before a move to Villa...in actual fact it was also released to St Mirren fans at a meeting the club held with them

 

 

People should try 20% and they may be near just what we have negotiated re Hickey

[Lfhearts]

11 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

Another idiotic reply but I'll bite.

Excluding, cups, when was the last time we lost?  Finished 12 points ahead of the field.

PS - We're even unbeaten in friendlies so that's your "for a change" looking a bit sick.

That's the crux of it, you are happy with Hearts, even loss at Brora worst result in our history still does not matter in your eyes it appears, I want improvement and a new management team now toddle off.

[soonbe110]

He is back in Glasgow as of yesterday. No idea why. 

[Francis Albert]

43 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

He is back in Glasgow as of yesterday. No idea why. 

Visiting relatives?

[soonbe110]

9 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Visiting relatives?

Maybe.  Also bought a house so maybe some relatives need a roof. Or maybe just bought the house he wants to live in when he retires. Or even before then.