Section Q Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Not sure how as this is a bit vague. https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hearts-set-fan-ownership-boost-20396929 ""Nicola Sturgeon has promised to set up a fund to aid supporters who have gone down the route of fan ownership if the SNP are re-elected. Fan ownership has been a popular model for Scottish clubs in recent seasons with the likes of Motherwell putting the future of the club in their own hands."" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Sounds like a typical election promise that is meaningless bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Sounds like a typical election promise that is meaningless bollocks. A bit like Budge???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Aid them to set up fan ownership? At the start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Why divert more money away from tackling drug/knife crime, cutting waiting lists, education gap for poorer pupils, getting SQA to grow a pair and do their job of examining pupils, getting the busy economy going again, caring about people in care homes. Instead Chuck money down the drain on Brechin Supporters Trust only for it to bomb within a Year. she might as well be at school gates offering sweets to 17 years olds to get them to vote SNP - and this has nothing to do with the Independence debate. This is a comment about priorities and futility of free money for lost causes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) She’s a complete *****. She’s run out of bribes to give so now moved onto something that might fool football fans but is actually meaningless. I presume FOH will be getting a backdated bung from her government as part of this? Sorry the Executive. Edited April 16, 2021 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 "And the SNP are aiming to create a 'Fan Bank' which will help fan bases financially who are looking for more control at their respective clubs through fan ownership to combat 'negligent' owners making decisions they don't agree with." I am no business expert, as you know, but is this not government interference in a private company? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 10 hours ago, Section Q said: Not sure how as this is a bit vague. https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/hearts-set-fan-ownership-boost-20396929 ""Nicola Sturgeon has promised to set up a fund to aid supporters who have gone down the route of fan ownership if the SNP are re-elected. Fan ownership has been a popular model for Scottish clubs in recent seasons with the likes of Motherwell putting the future of the club in their own hands."" Buying votes - offer them free this, and free that - then Nippy will say “See they want Indyref2!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost in space Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 EVERYTHING IS FREEEEE!!!!! promises Nicola. She is promising everything ahead of the election - and of course it will all be forgotten. She has a history of this. You would have to be pretty stupid to believe her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobreath Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Shocked that a political party going into an election campaign will make spending promises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May one-six Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 This is a Shed topic surely, Mods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: "And the SNP are aiming to create a 'Fan Bank' which will help fan bases financially who are looking for more control at their respective clubs through fan ownership to combat 'negligent' owners making decisions they don't agree with." I am no business expert, as you know, but is this not government interference in a private company? If you mean offering fans groups access to funds (loans I would assume) that they may not otherwise be available to them, then I would not consider it any different to the thousands of companies who seek funds from various government schemes for a multitude of reasons. Such a scheme could be of benefit to FOH in the future should they require access to funds in excess of what they can raise from its members or other sources. Edited April 16, 2021 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo in Bathgate Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: If you mean offering fans groups access to funds (loans I would assume) that they may not otherwise be available to them, then I would not consider it any different to the thousands of companies who seek funds from various government schemes for a multitude of reasons. Such a scheme could be of benefit to FOH in the future should they require access to funds in excess of what they can raise from its members or other sources. That is a route that we would have to be careful about. It would have to be a non repayable grant as I believe a loan to FOH would put the membership at risk of liability if there was a default on loan repayments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMR123 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Sounds like a typical election promise that is meaningless bollocks. Totally agree - every club will be getting a free Unicorn next! Edited April 16, 2021 by DMR123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jambo in Bathgate said: That is a route that we would have to be careful about. It would have to be a non repayable grant as I believe a loan to FOH would put the membership at risk of liability if there was a default on loan repayments. I presume the loan would be to the club, with the usual securities taken, with limited liability to shareholders ( including FoH ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Another vote buying ploy by the SNP. They really are doing a good job of buying up every and any demographic they can think of with false promises and cheques they can’t cash. sadly, post independence the economic reality is austerity +++ & monster tax hikes. Hearts will have 3 less supporters in attendance as I and my already ludicrous tax bill will be off. I’m not paying for any more stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dee Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Loving the seethe from the SNP haters! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, davemclaren said: I presume the loan would be to the club, with the usual securities taken, with limited liability to shareholders ( including FoH ). This thread was a car crash before it started. No possibility of discussing the merits or otherwise of the potential loans without the lowest common denominator politics sending it up in flames of outrage.....IMHO obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Got to love the magic money tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, lost in space said: EVERYTHING IS FREEEEE!!!!! promises Nicola. She is promising everything ahead of the election - and of course it will all be forgotten. She has a history of this. You would have to be pretty stupid to believe her. I still pay council tax, they said many tears ago they would abolish it. Yet people still buy their bullshit. Suppose I can look forward to my state pension doubling when we are independent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Got to love the magic money tree. In fairness we must have a magic money forest the way the tories are dishing out cash to their chums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Sid said: Why divert more money away from tackling drug/knife crime, cutting waiting lists, education gap for poorer pupils, getting SQA to grow a pair and do their job of examining pupils, getting the busy economy going again, caring about people in care homes. Instead Chuck money down the drain on Brechin Supporters Trust only for it to bomb within a Year. she might as well be at school gates offering sweets to 17 years olds to get them to vote SNP - and this has nothing to do with the Independence debate. This is a comment about priorities and futility of free money for lost causes. With all the promises including NHS funding a lot of other services will need to be cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 25 minutes ago, Mister Dee said: Loving the seethe from the SNP haters! Loving the magic money tree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 30 minutes ago, Mister Dee said: Loving the seethe from the SNP haters! Me too. Need to get a life. Scots vote for the SNP so get on with it! We don't vote for Tories in London but we have to get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 I like the idea. Fans are the lifeblood of Scottish football, getting representation on the boards of the various clubs might help push clubs to vote more with fans in mind than the short termism which has run rampant over the last 20 years. We'll see if its ever brought to fruition though, fans are treated with utter contempt by the government and much like the council tax pledge this does reek of a cynical ploy to buy votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Mister Dee said: Loving the seethe from the SNP haters! Perhaps if they confronted sectarianism within football head on they may get some respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said: Me too. Need to get a life. Scots vote for the SNP so get on with it! We don't vote for Tories in London but we have to get on with it. At least they can get a vaccine sorted and have a pint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, OTT said: I like the idea. Fans are the lifeblood of Scottish football, getting representation on the boards of the various clubs might help push clubs to vote more with fans in mind than the short termism which has run rampant over the last 20 years. We'll see if its ever brought to fruition though, fans are treated with utter contempt by the government and much like the council tax pledge this does reek of a cynical ploy to buy votes. I'm in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Thomaso said: Buying votes - offer them free this, and free that - then Nippy will say “See they want Indyref2!” They're politicians mate....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Mister Dee said: Loving the seethe from the SNP haters! Do you support the idea of money being diverted in this direction over other uses? It’s not a SNP hating question? Simple question. When you can’t directly disagre, deflect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Sid said: Do you support the idea of money being diverted in this direction over other uses? It’s not a SNP hating question? Simple question. When you can’t directly disagre, deflect. Its probably covered by Scottish Oil so we needn't worry. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Just now, frankblack said: Its probably covered by Scottish Oil so we needn't worry. 🤔 Yeah. Our money forest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitonastranger Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 3 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Got to love the magic money tree. She got it off Theresa May Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dee Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 37 minutes ago, Sid said: Do you support the idea of money being diverted in this direction over other uses? It’s not a SNP hating question? Simple question. When you can’t directly disagre, deflect. I didn’t say I did agree with this. I think it’s really funny the way certain posters will use any option to try and get a dig at the Scottish Government, without really knowing what they’re talking about -other than “SNP OOT”. This is a football forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Nookie Bear said: At least they can get a vaccine sorted and have a pint. I'm sure they'll be delighted of your support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Mister Dee said: I didn’t say I did agree with this. I think it’s really funny the way certain posters will use any option to try and get a dig at the Scottish Government, without really knowing what they’re talking about -other than “SNP OOT”. This is a football forum. I think people have been fairly specific on two counts : - 1. Questioning the merits of the Scheme in general. 2. Commenting on the timing of the announcement. Has need for Government supporting fan ownership changed in any way over the last 16 years? The Economy certainly has recently and not in a good way. People are, rightly, asking about the timing of diverting funds at this point in time. This is a football forum and there has been an announcement of, potentially, a positive move from the Government for a cause close to our Hearts (pun intended). It’s reasonable to debate this football initiative even if it crosses Political debate. No personal view on timing or merit of Scheme? Can’t answer, deflect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Very enjoyable reading. Anti snp posters get their backs up ridiculously easy, considering the state of the parties they support. Indy is happening. Might as well get on board and enjoy the ride! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Dee Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 The timing of any and all announcements are of course related to the May elections - all parties are releasing manifestos, it’s hardly some dastardly trick. I know little about the scheme -other than what was reported on that website, & there’s not enough detail to form a sensible opinion. By all means keep ending your posts with ‘deflect’, but this kind of subject will bring out the political allegiances quicker than a certain Goverment ministers PPE contracts. Noone wants this Football forum to descend into political bashing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 how DARE they offer things people want in their manifesto?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIO Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Mister Dee said: Loving the seethe from the SNP haters! Me too, peak rule brittania from the forelock tuggers. Probably more of a shed topic though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfcbilly Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Mister Dee said: Loving the seethe from the SNP haters! I'm not sure folk in disagreement with this can all be branded as SNP haters. I prefer the description of realistic people who are quite right to question how the SNP propose to pay for all their massive financial election promises?? I personally think some folk are so focused in their hatred for all things Westminster that they have blinkers on when it comes to how our own Scottish Government have handled the various policies they have presided over (and failed at) these past 14 years. Sorry for digressing off topic. I dont think politics and football should mix. Football (and sport) is one of the few things in life that can unite folk from all walks of life. Personally I'd rather the politicians kept their neb oot and offered any money available for this to hiring extra doctors and nurses instead so that they are better equipped for the next pandemic thst threatens to overrun the crippled NHS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Des Lynam said: In fairness we must have a magic money forest the way the tories are dishing out cash to their chums. It's all added to our debt. No trees necessary......👍 Edited April 16, 2021 by Section Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, hmfcbilly said: I'm not sure folk in disagreement with this can all be branded as SNP haters. I prefer the description of realistic people who are quite right to question how the SNP propose to pay for all their massive financial election promises?? I personally think some folk are so focused in their hatred for all things Westminster that they have blinkers on when it comes to how our own Scottish Government have handled the various policies they have presided over (and failed at) these past 14 years. Sorry for digressing off topic. I dont think politics and football should mix. Football (and sport) is one of the few things in life that can unite folk from all walks of life. Personally I'd rather the politicians kept their neb oot and offered any money available for this to hiring extra doctors and nurses instead so that they are better equipped for the next pandemic thst threatens to overrun the crippled NHS. Doesnt seem to unite us on here.......😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryheart Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, hmfcbilly said: I'm not sure folk in disagreement with this can all be branded as SNP haters. I prefer the description of realistic people who are quite right to question how the SNP propose to pay for all their massive financial election promises?? I personally think some folk are so focused in their hatred for all things Westminster that they have blinkers on when it comes to how our own Scottish Government have handled the various policies they have presided over (and failed at) these past 14 years. Sorry for digressing off topic. I dont think politics and football should mix. Football (and sport) is one of the few things in life that can unite folk from all walks of life. Personally I'd rather the politicians kept their neb oot and offered any money available for this to hiring extra doctors and nurses instead so that they are better equipped for the next pandemic thst threatens to overrun the crippled NHS. But they are unfortunately. It is quite worrying, but that is the way things are in Scotland at the moment and are likely to be for quite a long time to come. Anyway, back on topic, no matter who had come up with this idea, I would be saying that it is half baked and poorly thought out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfcbilly Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Just now, henryheart said: But they are unfortunately. It is quite worrying, but that is the way things are in Scotland at the moment and are likely to be for quite a long time to come. Anyway, back on topic, no matter who had come up with this idea, I would be saying that it is half baked and poorly thought out. I'm not an SNP hater but I don't agree with a lot of their policies. Agree with you 100% with regards to the policy being half-baked and poorly thought out. At a time when public money will be tighter and more scrutinised than ever I really can't think of any sensible reason to create and a fund a policy like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scallywag Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 This seems in line with other SNP policies trying to encourage community involvement. Better than stockpiling nuclear missiles or handing out billions of public money to their pals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scallywag Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, hmfcbilly said: I'm not an SNP hater but I don't agree with a lot of their policies. Agree with you 100% with regards to the policy being half-baked and poorly thought out. At a time when public money will be tighter and more scrutinised than ever I really can't think of any sensible reason to create and a fund a policy like this Well the SPFL have been shouting that clubs won't survive covid. Seems like this policy is intended help fans rescue their clubs if that is the case, a bit like we did a few years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wrinkly Ninja Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, Sid said: I think people have been fairly specific on two counts : - 1. Questioning the merits of the Scheme in general. 2. Commenting on the timing of the announcement. Has need for Government supporting fan ownership changed in any way over the last 16 years? The Economy certainly has recently and not in a good way. People are, rightly, asking about the timing of diverting funds at this point in time. This is a football forum and there has been an announcement of, potentially, a positive move from the Government for a cause close to our Hearts (pun intended). It’s reasonable to debate this football initiative even if it crosses Political debate. No personal view on timing or merit of Scheme? Can’t answer, deflect. I don’t have a problem with the funding or the timing. I am not sure why there would be any objection to the timing. It’s an announcement in an election manifesto. The election is in May. Has there really been a need for the last 16 years? No there hasn’t. No clubs have gone to the wall because supporters have not been able to raise funds. Is it more likely to be needed now? Maybe? And it will only be accessed by those who need it. The current economic situation could result in less private funding into football clubs and a lessened ability for supporters organisations to raise emergency capital to save their clubs. If it is used correctly and only correctly I don’t see the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfcbilly Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Scallywag said: Well the SPFL have been shouting that clubs won't survive covid. Seems like this policy is intended help fans rescue their clubs if that is the case, a bit like we did a few years back. Don't remember us getting much support from the government to stop us going into admin. Not nice for any club to go to the wall (if it happens) but I'd much rather my tax money went on essential services like trying to improve the NHS so folk can see their dentist again or not have to wait over a year for other health services/treatment. Saving a football team wouldn't be high on my list of priorities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scallywag Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Perhaps if there had been a government policy we might have got some help to save our club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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