ri Alban Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 I used to be all for a top division of 16/18 and a 2nd division 24, but they've had their chance. Now... I'd relegate 3 with us going up. 10 team no split league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 6 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: It needs an 11-1 vote to get rid of it 🤔🤷🏾♂️🙈?!?! This is the absolute root of all the problems, get this voting structure too feck! It should be 8-4 at worst. Until this is sorted, nothing will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 4 hours ago, gregzy2k7 said: This is the absolute root of all the problems, get this voting structure too feck! It should be 8-4 at worst. Until this is sorted, nothing will change. Indeed, but it won’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 No relegation for Alloa or Brechin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mysterion Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Newton51 said: Just a rehash of the story from the other week. Should be a non starter given the clubs who are unhappy with the proposal including at least one who said they were disappointed to learn of it via the press. As usual under Doncaster's leadership the league is a shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 SCOTLAND NEEDS LESS CLUBS IN THE PROFESSIONAL LEAGUE SET UP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Anything that stops Brechin being demoted needs to be opposed , they must go down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 21 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: Indeed, but it won’t. Everything these clowns that run our game do is a farce, the chief on 400,000 a year , what a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 how about top league of 20 with a twist; Top two play a best of three, one home, one away, decider at Hampden. Bottom four, have a mini league at neutral venues, bottom two go down. 38 games for most If the ugly sisters are indeed the best Sky get 5 OF games 2 worst teams go down alternatively we could just let Rangers and Celtic play against each other every week and the rest of us can get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skivingatwork Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Should be two top leagues comprising of full time clubs. That’s the minimum standard for being part of a ‘professional’ league. Below that a pyramid system of regional leagues. (last Tuesday Stranraer traveled to Elgin FFS) TV deals for the top 2 leagues. It’s not rocket science but the teams in the lower leagues won’t vote for it, neither will the tin pot clubs in the bottom six of the premiership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mundaydog Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Minimum of 16 top league. Play each other twice - 1 home, 1 away 2 up - 2 down One full time league below that of 10-14 teams. Number dependant on those who are willing to commit to full time football All below that (including highland league) into regional part time leagues (North / South) Ditch the league cup mini pre-season 'league', make those games over 2 legs. Give the smaller part time teams opportunity of getting a bit of money from the visit of a bigger team. Over the period of 3 or 4 seasons gradually move the season start earlier through July - June - May and so on until we are playing through the summer properly. No English premiership on TV from mid May to start of August. Scottish football can then sell itself on games available on Friday 7.45 ko Saturday 12.30 & 5.30 Sunday 12.30, 3.00 & 5.30 Monday 7.45 Wednesday 7.45 Also means those teams in the European early stages are effectively mid season when those games kick off in July Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo Drifter Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 On 10/04/2021 at 23:23, LarrysRightFoot said: First off I’m 100% for reconstruction, we need bigger leagues. I wasn’t swayed into this thinking due to the situation we were in last season, it’s been my opinion for as long as I can remember. However, if the idea was floated again now. What would everyone else’s thoughts be? F?ck everyone else, they shafted us? or Its still the right thing for the game in Scotland? Let's not be churlish, we're bigger than that. If it's the best thing for the game, we vote for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, Mundaydog said: Minimum of 16 top league. Play each other twice - 1 home, 1 away 2 up - 2 down One full time league below that of 10-14 teams. Number dependant on those who are willing to commit to full time football All below that (including highland league) into regional part time leagues (North / South) Ditch the league cup mini pre-season 'league', make those games over 2 legs. Give the smaller part time teams opportunity of getting a bit of money from the visit of a bigger team. Over the period of 3 or 4 seasons gradually move the season start earlier through July - June - May and so on until we are playing through the summer properly. No English premiership on TV from mid May to start of August. Scottish football can then sell itself on games available on Friday 7.45 ko Saturday 12.30 & 5.30 Sunday 12.30, 3.00 & 5.30 Monday 7.45 Wednesday 7.45 Also means those teams in the European early stages are effectively mid season when those games kick off in July ☝ ... If Doncaster was doing his job and not merely a puppet for whichever Glasgow 'institution' was currently holding sway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 On 12/04/2021 at 07:21, gregzy2k7 said: This is the absolute root of all the problems, get this voting structure too feck! It should be 8-4 at worst. Until this is sorted, nothing will change. It’ll never happen now, sadly. The chance was there when Sevco were out of the SPL, but now they are back, there is zero chance the arse cheeks will ever give up their ability to hold Scottish football to ransom with their effective veto. Think we have Aberdeen to thank for voting the motion down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 4 hours ago, DETTY29 said: SCOTLAND NEEDS LESS CLUBS IN THE PROFESSIONAL LEAGUE SET UP. This all day long. As I posted earlier, Scotland has a smaller population than London but tries to have 4 senior leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo1874 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 We need to learn from all the club statements regarding reconstruction last year, so I think that Hearts should release a statement that reads; "Hearts are in favour of reconstruction, but feel the time is not right to discuss reconstruction" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montgomery Brewster Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 5 hours ago, 3fingersreid said: Anything that stops Brechin being demoted needs to be opposed , they must go down Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Montgomery Brewster said: Correct Brechin have been awful for so many seasons in a row it’s almost unfeasible. All clubs have a bad season now and again, apart from the obvious cash loaded ones up here, but they just keep on being awful. Different players, still awful. New manager, still awful. It’s time to Chuck them and their hedge out the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 8 hours ago, Newton51 said: Who'd have thunk it, eh ? Doncaster & his partners in crime come up with a win-win all round. Mulraney and Ferguson get saved, and the Bigot Colts get a foothold in the setup in case their big brothers emigrate to a Euro league. There's plenty aspects of Hearts that we can moan about - but this will go straight to number 1 in my eyes, if we vote for this absurd nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) Not sure if we still vote as a Championship club. Article continues to say the key again is the Premiership clubs. Because of their 11-1 vote. Also the original 16 team League 2 Colts proposal which came from a working group that went on for a few months is abandoned. Edited April 13, 2021 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Not sure if we still vote as a Championship club. Article continues to say the key again is the Premiership clubs. Because of their 11-1 vote. Also the original 16 team League 2 Colts proposal which came from a working group that went on for a few months is abandoned. How did dundee hibs get to vote last year when we were expelled, was it as a championship team or premier league team ? There’s a precedence been set so we should be the same as what they were in terms of voting . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, 3fingersreid said: How did dundee hibs get to vote last year when we were expelled, was it as a championship team or premier league team ? There’s a precedence been set so we should be the same as what they were in terms of voting . I think they voted as a top league club as they were up whether or not reconstruction happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: How did dundee hibs get to vote last year when we were expelled, was it as a championship team or premier league team ? There’s a precedence been set so we should be the same as what they were in terms of voting . Dundee voted as Championship club initially. At some point we became a Championship club. I think after the vote was confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Tazio said: Brechin have been awful for so many seasons in a row it’s almost unfeasible. All clubs have a bad season now and again, apart from the obvious cash loaded ones up here, but they just keep on being awful. Different players, still awful. New manager, still awful. It’s time to Chuck them and their hedge out the league. Oi , I Like the Hedge , I had a wee affinity for the Angus clubs as their grounds were all ones I played at regularly as I was learning the game. However as much as I like Glebe Park , I can not stand Brechin now and agree they need to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 33 minutes ago, 3fingersreid said: How did dundee hibs get to vote last year when we were expelled, was it as a championship team or premier league team ? There’s a precedence been set so we should be the same as what they were in terms of voting . Championship club to end season on PPG. Premiership team for reconstruction as leagues considered concluded and season finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weonly151 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Mundaydog said: Minimum of 16 top league. Play each other twice - 1 home, 1 away 2 up - 2 down One full time league below that of 10-14 teams. Number dependant on those who are willing to commit to full time football All below that (including highland league) into regional part time leagues (North / South) Ditch the league cup mini pre-season 'league', make those games over 2 legs. Give the smaller part time teams opportunity of getting a bit of money from the visit of a bigger team. Over the period of 3 or 4 seasons gradually move the season start earlier through July - June - May and so on until we are playing through the summer properly. No English premiership on TV from mid May to start of August. Scottish football can then sell itself on games available on Friday 7.45 ko Saturday 12.30 & 5.30 Sunday 12.30, 3.00 & 5.30 Monday 7.45 Wednesday 7.45 Also means those teams in the European early stages are effectively mid season when those games kick off in July This is the most sensible proposal for reconstruction I have seen. Every part of it makes sense and would benefit Scottish football. One other thing I'd maybe add would be having colt teams if clubs wanted to in the regional leagues. I'd imagine ourselves, Hibs, Aberdeen and the Uglies could provide colt teams which would again only be good for Scottish football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 44 minutes ago, Tazio said: I think they voted as a top league club as they were up whether or not reconstruction happened. 👍🏻 42 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Dundee voted as Championship club initially. At some point we became a Championship club. I think after the vote was confirmed. It was Utd I was wondering about bud 12 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: Championship club to end season on PPG. Premiership team for reconstruction as leagues considered concluded and season finished. so a bit of both then 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussexscot Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 On 11/04/2021 at 09:58, martoon said: My thoughts exactly, Tosh. Annoyed me 20+ years ago when the English termed Scottish football as Mickey Mouse but how right they were and are. A league must be absolutely equal. The same teams, randomly playing each other the same amount of times, home and away. A set programme of fixtures from first day to last. That's why the league winners are declared "champions" and not knockout cup winners. Anything else is a farce. The initial, unequal, 33 games, the end of season fixtures compiled, deliberately, to suit the OF and other clubs often having an 18-20 home and away split to make sure the OF never do is what makes Scottish football what it is: A sick joke. Sir I think you are absolutely on the money there. The current status quo is an absolute disgrace and no wonder we are referred to as a 'Mickey Mouse' or 'Monkey Tennis League' Last seasons debacle highlighted firstly the shambles that is our current football governing body(ies) and secondly the system which, over the years, they have imposed upon Scottish football. Reconstruction is absolutely essential, the split must be unconditionally abandoned and the determination of the future should subsequently be based on the basic realities which are ; 1. Club Status - Full Time professional or otherwise. (without this lesser clubs will never aspire to greater things ) 2. Facilities (eg. artificial pitch should be a no no , other facilities should be as one would reasonably expect whilst making allowances etc. I recognise and accept that there are massive inequalities in football in Scotland, the Ugly Sisters have huge fan support and access to local sponsorship but that is no different perhaps to our situation albeit to a lesser degree in Edinburgh or extrapolated to Aberdeen or Dundee whilst the provincial clubs have no such recourse. Population accounts for much of the aforesaid inequality ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 I am all for reconstruction but NOT this season! No get out of jail card for the backstabbers of last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sussexscot said: Sir I think you are absolutely on the money there. The current status quo is an absolute disgrace and no wonder we are referred to as a 'Mickey Mouse' or 'Monkey Tennis League' Last seasons debacle highlighted firstly the shambles that is our current football governing body(ies) and secondly the system which, over the years, they have imposed upon Scottish football. Reconstruction is absolutely essential, the split must be unconditionally abandoned and the determination of the future should subsequently be based on the basic realities which are ; 1. Club Status - Full Time professional or otherwise. (without this lesser clubs will never aspire to greater things ) 2. Facilities (eg. artificial pitch should be a no no , other facilities should be as one would reasonably expect whilst making allowances etc. I recognise and accept that there are massive inequalities in football in Scotland, the Ugly Sisters have huge fan support and access to local sponsorship but that is no different perhaps to our situation albeit to a lesser degree in Edinburgh or extrapolated to Aberdeen or Dundee whilst the provincial clubs have no such recourse. Population accounts for much of the aforesaid inequality ! 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, colinmaroon said: I am all for reconstruction but NOT this season! No get out of jail card for the backstabbers of last season. Correct. Reconstruction, a good one, is long overdue but only with a full season's notice. Last season was a completely different story, of course. Exceptional circumstances when, first do no harm, should have been the starting point. But no, It was all about Celtic's tainted 9iar, Doncaster and other clubs self interest and petty hatred (FTH). Other nations scrapped relegations/demotions in this spirit but not our sham of a league. No way should any club dodge the fate they deserve in May. Especially as we were punished when we shouldn't have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) I hope we vote against this no matter what. No way should we be helping the Old Firm broaden their footprint in this league. All for reconstruction, but reconstruction that actually pushes the game here forward. We need to get rid of the dead wood. Two leagues of 16 - no promotion into the top league unless full time professional. Edited April 13, 2021 by Deevers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 League reconstruction will happen and it will be forced due to OF, us, Hibs and Aberdeen leaving the league. Until then the SPFL/Smaller team OF perceived reliance will keep the status qou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 32 minutes ago, Rods said: League reconstruction will happen and it will be forced due to OF, us, Hibs and Aberdeen leaving the league. Until then the SPFL/Smaller team OF perceived reliance will keep the status qou. Any idea when are where we're going, Rods? 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 I am against any introduction of colts teams into the setup anywhere. But what I am especially against is for this opportunity to be offered to the arse cheeks and nobody else. What possible justification could there be for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 51 minutes ago, martoon said: Any idea when are where we're going, Rods? 😊 You would hope sooner rather than later. Scotttish football is broken beyond repair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Rods said: You would hope sooner rather than later. Scotttish football is broken beyond repair. Where do you think we are going though, Rods ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ93 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 16 teams in the top league; play each team twice - once at home, once away. No split. This will create more competition, more rivalry and a proper race for the title outside of the OF. As for second league, unsure. Edited April 13, 2021 by JJ93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, JJ93 said: 16 teams in the top league; play each team twice - once at home, once away. No split. This will create more competition, more rivalry and a proper race for the title outside of the OF. As for second league, unsure. A 30 game competition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 31 minutes ago, Doc Rob said: I am against any introduction of colts teams into the setup anywhere. But what I am especially against is for this opportunity to be offered to the arse cheeks and nobody else. What possible justification could there be for this? Its the SPFL ....... no justification required. 😠 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Where do you think we are going though, Rods ? There has been an atlantic league being mooted. I reckon when the Belgian/Holland thing advances and the OF dont get their invite to the top English table then something will happen. The colts thing is just the beggining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Rods said: There has been an atlantic league being mooted. I reckon when the Belgian/Holland thing advances and the OF dont get their invite to the top English table then something will happen. The colts thing is just the beggining. Are the Dutch into it? I know in the past they've not been too interested in the concept but I haven't been keeping up with Dutch football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Smithee said: Are the Dutch into it? I know in the past they've not been too interested in the concept but I haven't been keeping up with Dutch football Not seen much about it since mid march when the Belgian teams agreed it would be possible. There will never be change in Scotland unless its a seismic change ie teams moving leagues. The SPFL think they need the OF games 4 times to appease Sky and clubs like St Johnstone etc require the OF fans through the door. We as a club have seen the self interest of scottish football chairman first hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Rods said: Not seen much about it since mid march when the Belgian teams agreed it would be possible. There will never be change in Scotland unless its a seismic change ie teams moving leagues. The SPFL think they need the OF games 4 times to appease Sky and clubs like St Johnstone etc require the OF fans through the door. We as a club have seen the self interest of scottish football chairman first hand. It's always been something the Belgians were more into, they're the smaller country, but Holland have lost a few teams in recent years so I could see how they'd be more receptive these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, Rods said: There has been an atlantic league being mooted. I reckon when the Belgian/Holland thing advances and the OF dont get their invite to the top English table then something will happen. The colts thing is just the beggining. You may be overplaying that exercise in kite-flying. As the climate emergency takes increasing hold of people's attention, I very much doubt popular opinion will tolerate the regular air travel required for such a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Hans Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 We're constantly told gate money is worth about 50% in revenue streams to most clubs. A 16 team league with only 15 home games is a complete non-starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, JJ93 said: 16 teams in the top league; play each team twice - once at home, once away. No split. This will create more competition, more rivalry and a proper race for the title outside of the OF. As for second league, unsure. 30 games are not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingAboutObua Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 If teams were willing to drop to 15 home games and only 2 OF home games then 16 team top flight would be ideal, absolutely no chance of teams dropping home games AND Old Firm games though unless we brought in some sort of top 6 title playoff or massively improved our TV deal. Ideal league for me now though is the 16 top flight, all teams must be full time professionals, min. capacity 5,000 etc. 2 up 2 down, maybe a playoff place as well 10 team second tier, with some sort of minimum that 75% of your players should be full time professionals within the club, in higher education or under 23. Put in a single relegation playoff spot to the league below. Bit controversial, but the league should be open to applications from teams below to join if they are able to become full time professional outfits without winning the 3rd tier. If anyone is forcibly relegated from the top flight, they join the second tier but are banned from promotion for X years. THATS IT FOR THE NEW SPFL PROFESSIONAL LEAGUES. NO PART TIMER 3RD TIER. 20 Team SEPARATE national league below that Regionalised and re-regionalised tiers below that Teams in all leagues can reject promotion f they win the league and feel stepping up doesn't benefit them. I always think Auchinleck Talbot wouldn't be so locally popular if they were sitting about as a midtable League 2 side instead of repeatedly winning regional trophies. Teams 2 tiers below get home advantage over their opposition until the quarter finals. League Cup replaced with a League Cup for each set up, ie top 2 tiers and the lower tiers are separated. Winners can play each other in a pre-season opener maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 St Johnstone give most of their ground to the OF Kilmarnock give most of their ground to the OF Motherwell built a big fancy new stand at their ground to increase capacity. It’s where the OF sit. Smaller teams in the cup give most of their grounds to the OF. A bit of theme here. These teams won’t vote to lose their golden goose of a few close to sell outs a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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