merrymac Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 33 minutes ago, rory78 said: If that happened Levein should've named the official Surprised if he came out with that on national radio if there was no substance to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymac Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said: Biased is a difficult one to prove, but certainly badly incompetent. Incompetent means everyone would get a fair share of bad decisions. Do you really think that is the case in Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rory78 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, merrymac said: Surprised if he came out with that on national radio if there was no substance to it Agreed but why protect the official name and shame and see what the ref had to say about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymac Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, rory78 said: Agreed but why protect the official name and shame and see what the ref had to say about it Probably would end up in court or SFA involvement. No witnesses to the utterance unfortunately,so ref would undoubtedly deny it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Biased? Its blatant cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 I've always thought of them more as very incompetent and also unwilling to give major or controversial decisions against the Old Firm because of the potential repercussions (which has been reinforced over the years by the post-match reactions of fans from either side and from the OF clubs themselves when they disagree with decisions that have gone against them in important games). I suppose that the latter does mean that effectively decisions will have bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo61 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, redjambo said: I've always thought of them more as very incompetent and also unwilling to give major or controversial decisions against the Old Firm because of the potential repercussions (which has been reinforced over the years by the post-match reactions of fans from either side and from the OF clubs themselves when they disagree with decisions that have gone against them in important games). I suppose that the latter does mean that effectively decisions will have bias. Saves on the cost of new windows too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitonastranger Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 ARAB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Very! Unfortunately not in our favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Idle Talk Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 12 hours ago, Section Q said: John Hughes says Brian Rice was right to call out referees for old firm favouritism. If it's that blatant though, it might be time for foreign referees. I always thought if we were in an Atlantic type league we'd at least have neutral refs........................Anyone........? """Hughes: Half the refs support Old Firm""" """Ross County boss John Hughes has backed up his old friend Brian Rice, manager of Hamilton Accies, after his outburst against referees, claiming that at least half of officials in Scotland are Celtic and Rangers fans who don’t care about the smaller clubs.""" Just half the officials? I'd imagine that's a conservative estimate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 13 hours ago, Section Q said: John Hughes says Brian Rice was right to call out referees for old firm favouritism. If it's that blatant though, it might be time for foreign referees. I always thought if we were in an Atlantic type league we'd at least have neutral refs........................Anyone........? """Hughes: Half the refs support Old Firm""" """Ross County boss John Hughes has backed up his old friend Brian Rice, manager of Hamilton Accies, after his outburst against referees, claiming that at least half of officials in Scotland are Celtic and Rangers fans who don’t care about the smaller clubs.""" Except Rice never called out referees for old firm favouritism, he sounded off about a referee's decisions he feels cost his team in a match against St Mirren. Hughes then backs Rice by himself bringing up complaints about Beaton in his team's match against Hibs. No mention of OF favouritism there. Only later in the same rant does Hughes go on to talk about refs supporting the OF. (Presumably when he played for Celtc the big tadger never had any concerns with perceived referee bias.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscjambo Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 I think nowadays they are at times incompetent and unacceptable for their mistakes. The likes of Andrew Dallas is officiating above his abilities because of his father. The sfa old boys club. They won't promote better older refs and throw poorer guys up the ladder. I have a mate who's cat 3....its a common opinion. Scared of giving things against the old firm but for years Peter lawell etc has pulled the strings in Scotland so yeah inevitable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Referee's have clearly been into football and support teams before climbing the ladder and unfortunately those alliances don't just disappear and subconscious bias can appear as they get higher up the ladder. In England everything is professional and officials have to declare all football history and are allocated games accordingly. would never happen here though. Too much common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveofthegame Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 I mean it isn't rocket science. We live in a country where unfortunately the overriding majority of football fans are OF fans, referees are all football fans, therefore ergo most referees will be OF fans (whether the SFA and said referees are willing to admit it or not). That'll never change in Scotland. We are a small country dominated by two teams. The only way to change it would be to bring in English/overseas refs and even then they would be swayed when refereeing the OF due to the huge support of such clubs and the pressure they can apply. That happens in every league in the world I'd imagine (e.g. Man Utd getting more penalties than other teams down south, etc.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull's-eye Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Prince Buaben said: Referee's have clearly been into football and support teams before climbing the ladder and unfortunately those alliances don't just disappear and subconscious bias can appear as they get higher up the ladder. In England everything is professional and officials have to declare all football history and are allocated games accordingly. would never happen here though. Too much common sense. That's the sticking point, that's what insults us all. Things remain the same because they want it to remain the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted April 8, 2021 Author Share Posted April 8, 2021 29 minutes ago, loveofthegame said: I mean it isn't rocket science. We live in a country where unfortunately the overriding majority of football fans are OF fans, referees are all football fans, therefore ergo most referees will be OF fans (whether the SFA and said referees are willing to admit it or not). That'll never change in Scotland. We are a small country dominated by two teams. The only way to change it would be to bring in English/overseas refs and even then they would be swayed when refereeing the OF due to the huge support of such clubs and the pressure they can apply. That happens in every league in the world I'd imagine (e.g. Man Utd getting more penalties than other teams down south, etc.). The idea of non Scottish refs for a trial season would be interesting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 19 hours ago, rory78 said: If that happened Levein should've named the official Bobby madden against Hamilton at Tynecastle iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Prince Buaben said: Referee's have clearly been into football and support teams before climbing the ladder and unfortunately those alliances don't just disappear and subconscious bias can appear as they get higher up the ladder. In England everything is professional and officials have to declare all football history and are allocated games accordingly. would never happen here though. Too much common sense. Near impossible if they only have weegies refs up here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Buaben Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said: Near impossible if they only have weegies refs up here! True mate. Surely refs all over Scotland thought that don't support those 2 that deserve a chance. Not just the ones that live in Strathclyde and Lanarkshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Prince Buaben said: True mate. Surely refs all over Scotland thought that don't support those 2 that deserve a chance. Not just the ones that live in Strathclyde and Lanarkshire I think it would dilute the problem but fife for example Is chock full of the of fans aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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