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Came in, did a job, doesn’t want to move to Edinburgh and was reported a few months  ago to be training to be a gas fitter as he prepared for life after football. I’d say his best bet is a couple of years part time  at somewhere like Cove Rangers or Arbroath, (followed by a year or two more in the Highland League if he still has the enthusiasm for the game).

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21 minutes ago, Niemi’s gloves said:

Came in, did a job, doesn’t want to move to Edinburgh and was reported a few months  ago to be training to be a gas fitter as he prepared for life after football. I’d say his best bet is a couple of years part time  at somewhere like Cove Rangers or Arbroath, (followed by a year or two more in the Highland League if he still has the enthusiasm for the game).

Cove looking likely as he runs his new business. Reviews aren't great though  :lol:

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Thought he did a good job. 

 

Interesting that Smith will be at right back, seems to me they have Souttars partner in the bag or why say that? Unlike Neilson to come right out and say that. 

 

33 though, reasons why he wasn't playing for Aberdeen including a trigger to a new contract,  but he appeared to have gone off the boil.

 

Happy with Smith back in his old role if they have another decent player lined up for centre back 

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2 hours ago, sadj said:


We have 


Smith assuming he is staying

Brandon - not sure when he is due back

Logan - prob needs a loan again

 

If Smith stays and is back to full fitness then Brandon as cover is adequate imo. I think getting the right CBs in to compliment Souttar and Halkett behind Haring is a higher priority. 
 

Can Kingsley cover at RB as obvs Halliday can cover LB?

 

If you use Kingsley at right back you are pushing a square peg into a round hole. That's not something I ever want to see Hearts doing. I suppose he could do it in an emergency but ideally it's not where we want to be.

 

The jury among Hearts fans(on here at least) on Jamie Brandon seems to be well and truly out. Some think he's decent, others think he won't make it and we should get rid. He is twenty three now and has only made thirty first team appearances. It is beginning to look like time is against him and he won't break through at Hearts. He may need to go elsewhere to get his career going. I would probably be happier seeing us bring in another right back to compete with Michael Smith for that position.

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Sounds like he's been told by Savage or Budge that he needs to lower the age of the squad.

 

Logan did a job, showed Robbie that 3-5-2 works well for us and now leaves with our thanks. Maybe deserved a years deal but if its not suitable for all parties then we move on. 

 

Folk so blinded by hatred for Robbie than they fly off the handle at every word he says. Ffs, get a grip man.

 

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2 hours ago, No Idle Talk said:

 

If you use Kingsley at right back you are pushing a square peg into a round hole. That's not something I ever want to see Hearts doing. I suppose he could do it in an emergency but ideally it's not where we want to be.

 

The jury among Hearts fans(on here at least) on Jamie Brandon seems to be well and truly out. Some think he's decent, others think he won't make it and we should get rid. He is twenty three now and has only made thirty first team appearances. It is beginning to look like time is against him and he won't break through at Hearts. He may need to go elsewhere to get his career going. I would probably be happier seeing us bring in another right back to compete with Michael Smith for that position.

Yeah thats all probably fair , im not sure about Brandon either (not that this place is bar a few posters a good barometer of whats good or bad) , he lacks consistency but then hes had a lot of ins and outs of the team. I was asking about Kingsley as I didn’t know if he could cover RB or not. Ill take it from your reply its not a position hes played 👍🏻 In that case im 50/50 on bringing in someone , very much depends on Smiths health for me.

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5 hours ago, Mister T said:

Did a job for us, thought he looked good for another season but hey ho. He'll probably earn more as a plumber too. 

 

He's probably good enough for another season in the Championship.  With Dundee.

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Actually pretty happy with this decision tbh, he did a job and was better than i thought he would be, I  would not have been devastated if we gave him a 12 month deal, however i think the club is right to target younger players to develop and sell on for a transfer fee, that should be our policy going forward, targetting promising young guys that are in their early 20's or mid 20's who we can hopefully develop and sell on. Examples being kingsley and ginelly.

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I’m not too fussed about this to be honest. He came in and did a good job when we needed to steady the ship.

I think there’ll be better players available to us though.

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Personally, think he made a positive impact. It is fine to be looking to add youth to the squad as long as they are good enough and not just cheap enough. I hope Michael Smith can make a return to his previous form as he has looked poor recently. I would actually prefer Logan. I also feel the same about Kingsley who has not impressed after making a good early impression. Neither provide much going forward and the latter looks suspect when faced with a pacey opponent. 

We really need to get this window right as bringing in another bunch of misfits and injury prone punts could result in a swift return to the championship. 

I think finding a good centreback pairing will be vital. I worry about injury to Souttar and we definitely need a left sided player. Halkett should be considered a squad player if he stays.

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2 hours ago, gregzy2k7 said:

Actually pretty happy with this decision tbh, he did a job and was better than i thought he would be, I  would not have been devastated if we gave him a 12 month deal, however i think the club is right to target younger players to develop and sell on for a transfer fee, that should be our policy going forward, targetting promising young guys that are in their early 20's or mid 20's who we can hopefully develop and sell on. Examples being kingsley and ginelly.


Surely our policy should be to win matches and if that means the best option is playing Shay at wing back whilst we develop a young wing back then that’s got to be preferable. 
 

Should we drop Gordon in favour of Harry Stone?
 

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14 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:


Surely our policy should be to win matches and if that means the best option is playing Shay at wing back whilst we develop a young wing back then that’s got to be preferable. 
 

Should we drop Gordon in favour of Harry Stone?
 

Again, as fans we can only put our trust/faith in the judgement and organisation of the management. 
 

I said before, if they have an RB of similar standard lined up to our LB position, most will be happy. If we haven’t, we’ve let go of arguably our best experienced option. 
 

Or, if a young player is getting an opportunity in that area, you hope we are getting the balance correct across the rest of the team so we are as competitive as we need to be in

the SPL and not hindered. 

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I thought Logan did reasonably well and looked what he was: a footballer who hadn't been Neilsonised.

 

Sort of made him stand out from the rest at times.

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Debut 4 said:

Again, as fans we can only put our trust/faith in the judgement and organisation of the management. 
 

I said before, if they have an RB of similar standard lined up to our LB position, most will be happy. If we haven’t, we’ve let go of arguably our best experienced option. 
 

Or, if a young player is getting an opportunity in that area, you hope we are getting the balance correct across the rest of the team so we are as competitive as we need to be in

the SPL and not hindered. 


Yep. 
 

We don’t have a young player at the club ready to fill the right back spot and we cannot go into the SPL season with a signed rookie player to develop with a view to selling on. 

Is Smith good enough for next season? Not sure and I think we need to buy over the summer, and I mean a ready made right back, not an inexperienced player. 

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16 minutes ago, Debut 4 said:

Again, as fans we can only put our trust/faith in the judgement and organisation of the management. 
 

I said before, if they have an RB of similar standard lined up to our LB position, most will be happy. If we haven’t, we’ve let go of arguably our best experienced option. 
 

Or, if a young player is getting an opportunity in that area, you hope we are getting the balance correct across the rest of the team so we are as competitive as we need to be in

the SPL and not hindered. 


Do you trust them? 

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1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said:


Do you trust them? 


When you remove all the seethe and noise it’s a tough one. Last time in this league he proved he could be trusted imo. The past season has undone a lot of that trust. It was a weird season though so I’m not sure it is as simple to judge as it should be. Hopefully with Savage part of the team we can bring in the correct quality required. 

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On 04/05/2021 at 07:35, Nookie Bear said:

Hmmm I appreciate I’ve been banging on about the average age of the squad but Logan has been excellent and we will struggle to find better to fill that right wing back role. 
 

He still looks very fit as well. 
 

Maybe someone else in mind or going back to a 4 man defence, so will see. 

 

I agree with your sentiment but it looks like you are just lining up all your ducks to have a go at Neilson whatever happens. 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

I agree with your sentiment but it looks like you are just lining up all your ducks to have a go at Neilson whatever happens. 

 

 

 

I've made my feelings on Neilson crystal clear and they are unlikely to change. However, the recent change in formation seemed to have a positive effect and even i was wondering if Robbie had found a way of playing that works for our squad.

 

But by the sounds of it, we are moving Smith to right back which suggests reverting to a back 4 - i find that disappointing but will see how it pans out. We may get a better right back (needed now imo) or it may not even happen as Robbie has said himself he will be experimenting with formations.

 

Trust me, considering how i feel about his management, saying "we will see" should be consdiered a massive vote of confidence in Robbie!

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15 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

The age thing does sound like an excuse tbh. I'm sure that wasn't the reason. 

 

I'd guess it was more to do with the Aberdeen - Edinburgh thing, was his family going to move for 1 or 2 years, would he commute daily  and Ofc his plumbing business/ plans  as well. 

 

Glass might even want to look at him and he might Ervan extension at Aberdeen which would suit him far more. 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

The age thing does sound like an excuse tbh. I'm sure that wasn't the reason. 

maybe logan refused to guve neilson a discount on servicing his boiler

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14 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

I'd guess it was more to do with the Aberdeen - Edinburgh thing, was his family going to move for 1 or 2 years, would he commute daily  and Ofc his plumbing business/ plans  as well. 

 

Glass might even want to look at him and he might Ervan extension at Aberdeen which would suit him far more. 

 

 

I think we were going to sign him but we have another option. We're definitely going to sign a RB. He's been after one for ages and has turned down Logan who was decent. 

 

5 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

maybe logan refused to guve neilson a discount on servicing his boiler

Perhaps. 

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18 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

I'd guess it was more to do with the Aberdeen - Edinburgh thing, was his family going to move for 1 or 2 years, would he commute daily  and Ofc his plumbing business/ plans  as well. 

 

Glass might even want to look at him and he might Ervan extension at Aberdeen which would suit him far more. 

 

 

Messed about with his ballcock is the story I heard.

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59 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

The age thing does sound like an excuse tbh. I'm sure that wasn't the reason. 

 

It is a fact though that we do have a much older team than most in any league.

 

Gordon 38, Smith 32, Naismith 34, Boyce 30, GMS 30, and Halliday 29.

 

There is nothing wrong with having a few experienced players in the team/squad but realistically we need to be bringing the average age of our team down so that we are not constantly having to be re-building all the time.

 

The core of our team should be in their mid twenties with a scattering of older experienced players.

 

Logan at 33 looks a very fit guy but I would much rather we signed someone 10 years younger and develope them.

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31 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

I think we were going to sign him but we have another option. We're definitely going to sign a RB. He's been after one for ages and has turned down Logan who was decent. 

 

Perhaps. 

 

 

If this is the case then we would hope that the other option is a better player than Logan then.

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3 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

It is a fact though that we do have a much older team than most in any league.

 

Gordon 38, Smith 32, Naismith 34, Boyce 30, GMS 30, and Halliday 29.

 

There is nothing wrong with having a few experienced players in the team/squad but realistically we need to be bringing the average age of our team down so that we are not constantly having to be re-building all the time.

 

The core of our team should be in their mid twenties with a scattering of older experienced players.

 

Logan at 33 looks a very fit guy but I would much rather we signed someone 10 years younger and develope them.

 

Bit harsh :o

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35 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Messed about with his ballcock is the story I heard.

 

It was a concern that he might not be 100 percent focused on Hearts with a plumbing business in Aberdeen. But he had a lot of experience to tap into, and we can't afford to leak goals next season.

We're not flush with options in defence, but he's not coming back an we just need to let that sink in. 

If Robbie had taken the plunge and signed him we could have had a reliable number two.

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1 minute ago, fancy a brew said:

 

It was a concern that he might not be 100 percent focused on Hearts with a plumbing business in Aberdeen. But he had a lot of experience to tap into, and we can't afford to leak goals next season.

We're not flush with options in defence, but he's not coming back an we just need to let that sink in. 

If Robbie had taken the plunge and signed him we could have had a reliable number two.

 😀 heard his wage demands were quite high. Though I'd have thought Ann could have gone to James Anderson for a tap.

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4 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Bit harsh :o

 

Maybe. I am just pointing out that if we continue to sign players in the age bracket of Logan then we are only going to increase the average age of our team.

 

I know 30 is not old especially if the players look after themselves however we just need to have a look at Naismith and Berra to see what happens when you get to that age bracket.

 

It is only my thoughts but I would like to see us signings players in their early to mid twenties going forward.

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2 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Maybe. I am just pointing out that if we continue to sign players in the age bracket of Logan then we are only going to increase the average age of our team.

 

I know 30 is not old especially if the players look after themselves however we just need to have a look at Naismith and Berra to see what happens when you get to that age bracket.

 

It is only my thoughts but I would like to see us signings players in their early to mid twenties going forward.

 

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15 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

It is a fact though that we do have a much older team than most in any league.

 

Gordon 38, Smith 32, Naismith 34, Boyce 30, GMS 30, and Halliday 29.

 

There is nothing wrong with having a few experienced players in the team/squad but realistically we need to be bringing the average age of our team down so that we are not constantly having to be re-building all the time.

 

The core of our team should be in their mid twenties with a scattering of older experienced players.

 

Logan at 33 looks a very fit guy but I would much rather we signed someone 10 years younger and develope them.

Yeah,  I don't see age as an issue if they are in good shape. Logan looked fit as a fiddle and quick so I can only think the age thing was an excuse. 

 

14 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

 

If this is the case then we would hope that the other option is a better player than Logan then.

Yep. I'd like to think that is the case. We were probably going to sign him but someone else is available and interested in coming here. 

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7 hours ago, fancy a brew said:

 

It was a concern that he might not be 100 percent focused on Hearts with a plumbing business in Aberdeen. But he had a lot of experience to tap into, and we can't afford to leak goals next season.

We're not flush with options in defence, but he's not coming back an we just need to let that sink in. 

If Robbie had taken the plunge and signed him we could have had a reliable number two.

 

We'll just have to solder on without him.

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