jambonian Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Just now, bistokid said: He is 33. Probably a better right back than Smith who is 32 so its either or for me. Preferably neither. I'd sign Logan. I'd also sign O'Donnell and let them fight it out between them. O'Donnell can also play right-midfield anyway so it's not a problem. Smith then becomes central in a back three. Brandon's been here too long and needs a new challenge somewhere else. That would be my choice right-backs, Logan and O'Donnell. Once Smith and Logan move on, O'Donnell is number one with young Logan as back-up a couple of years down the line. Plenty time for his development yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
May one-six Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 1 hour ago, GinRummy said: I wonder if Smith may be used at centre back a bit more That's where I'd play him. Smith has lots of good qualities, but the ability to cross the ball isn't one of them. He's good at getting up and down the line, but when he has the ball in the wide area up front he struggles to create opportunities for our strikers. On the other hand, he's a good communicator and organiser, so playing centrally he'd help us be more defensively sound. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JimmyCant Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 11 minutes ago, mitch41 said: Going by what we’ve witnessed in the past with Neilson, Cathro, Levein & Neilson again Logan will probably be offered a 4 year contract on £ 3,500 a week. Does anyone have any confidence in Ann and Neilson. Let’s hope Joe Savage & JJ have a big say on who goes and who stays. Better still Alex Neil decides with Joe Savage. Alex Neill is in the frame for the Celtic job. He won’t be going anywhere until that job is allocated to someone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jambonian Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Is he!? Wouldn't have thought Alex Neil would've been high profile enough for them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JamboAl Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 7 minutes ago, jambonian said: I'd sign Logan. I'd also sign O'Donnell and let them fight it out between them. O'Donnell can also play right-midfield anyway so it's not a problem. Smith then becomes central in a back three. Brandon's been here too long and needs a new challenge somewhere else. That would be my choice right-backs, Logan and O'Donnell. Once Smith and Logan move on, O'Donnell is number one with young Logan as back-up a couple of years down the line. Plenty time for his development yet. Has just signed extended contract with 'Well Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DH1986 Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 I’d rather we signed someone younger.....it would be nice to get a team who can grow and play together for more than one transfer window at a time. But if we really really can’t find anyone else.....I wouldn’t be against giving him a 12 month deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jambonian Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 (edited) 21 minutes ago, JamboAl said: Has just signed extended contract with 'Well Aw! Oh well....Logan it is. (wonder if they'd fancy a cash plus player (Roberts) deal?) Actually....probably not. Logan will do. Edited April 14 by jambonian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mitch41 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 12 hours ago, JimmyCant said: Alex Neill is in the frame for the Celtic job. He won’t be going anywhere until that job is allocated to someone. There’s no way Celtic will give Alex Neil the managers job. They’ll be looking for a big personality with European experience because that’s what it is all about for their international exposure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 With hindsight - having thought Robbie/the club had just gone mental signing him for 5 games - using the emergency loan system for a low risk player to see if he might improve the squad and get him to bed in to the squad before next season (if he joins) has been a pretty smart/clever move. 😳😒 Or a complete fluke 🤔 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hmfc_steve Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 4 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: With hindsight - having thought Robbie/the club had just gone mental signing him for 5 games - using the emergency loan system for a low risk player to see if he might improve the squad and get him to bed in to the squad before next season (if he joins) has been a pretty smart/clever move. 😳😒 Or a complete fluke 🤔 I'm going for the fluke option 😁 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Japan Jambo Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 7 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: With hindsight - having thought Robbie/the club had just gone mental signing him for 5 games - using the emergency loan system for a low risk player to see if he might improve the squad and get him to bed in to the squad before next season (if he joins) has been a pretty smart/clever move. 😳😒 Or a complete fluke 🤔 No question in my mind that this has worked out better than I expected. Interesting to note though that someone hungry for a contract and hasn't played for months immediately hits the ground running but others sitting on multi year contracts take weeks, if not months to get up to speed. Personally I don't think we should be loading up on more older players but if we do please, please stop doling out 3 and 4 year contracts; there is no sell on value to protect and let's face it we aren't signing someone who isn't pretty much fungible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jambo92 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Hes experienced Pro and still got the legs from what I've seen since hes come in. Would be the perfect foil in we had the likes of Paterson breaking onto the scene again but just feels a bit strange with Smith another ageing fullback in there too. Not against the signing but would prefer the wages spent on areas we need first. Also read yesterday he plans to continue living in Aberdeen..need a medical on the brain before giving him any more money for comments like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnthomas Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 4 minutes ago, Jambo92 said: Hes experienced Pro and still got the legs from what I've seen since hes come in. Would be the perfect foil in we had the likes of Paterson breaking onto the scene again but just feels a bit strange with Smith another ageing fullback in there too. Not against the signing but would prefer the wages spent on areas we need first. Also read yesterday he plans to continue living in Aberdeen..need a medical on the brain before giving him any more money for comments like that. With Smith more than capable of playing CH it makes a lot of sense . Obviously not long term but good transitional signing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fancy a brew Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 minute ago, Jambo92 said: Also read yesterday he plans to continue living in Aberdeen..need a medical on the brain before giving him any more money for comments like that That was something that set alarm bells ringing when I read it. The experience with Whelan and Naismith being allowed to do recovery sessions at home didn't work out well. I'd say no exceptions, every player has to attend every session, including post match recovery sessions, for the benefit of the player and the team. At 33 I'd offer him a 1 year deal with a large portion of his potential wages being made up of appearance fees. If his level drop or he gets injured, then the club isn't left paying another expensive flop for several years. The days of Tyncastle being the final resting place for aging players looking to top-up their pension has to stop. If he doesn't like the look of these terms he can go to Inverness or one of the Dundee teams for lower wages. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JamboAl Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 40 minutes ago, Jambo92 said: Hes experienced Pro and still got the legs from what I've seen since hes come in. Would be the perfect foil in we had the likes of Paterson breaking onto the scene again but just feels a bit strange with Smith another ageing fullback in there too. Not against the signing but would prefer the wages spent on areas we need first. Also read yesterday he plans to continue living in Aberdeen..need a medical on the brain before giving him any more money for comments like that. If that's the case, the answer's NO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hungry hippo Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 10 minutes ago, JamboAl said: If that's the case, the answer's NO As long as he's prepared to travel for every training session it is his issue and not a problem for the club. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy Brown Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 On 14/04/2021 at 12:54, jambonian said: Is he!? Wouldn't have thought Alex Neil would've been high profile enough for them. Is Eddie Howe? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tommy Brown Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 7 hours ago, fancy a brew said: That was something that set alarm bells ringing when I read it. The experience with Whelan and Naismith being allowed to do recovery sessions at home didn't work out well. I'd say no exceptions, every player has to attend every session, including post match recovery sessions, for the benefit of the player and the team. At 33 I'd offer him a 1 year deal with a large portion of his potential wages being made up of appearance fees. If his level drop or he gets injured, then the club isn't left paying another expensive flop for several years. The days of Tyncastle being the final resting place for aging players looking to top-up their pension has to stop. If he doesn't like the look of these terms he can go to Inverness or one of the Dundee teams for lower wages. Every player believes they should be playing. Why is he going to risk his wage on Neilson’s (or whoever) selection. Seen it plenty times, a player due a bonus after x amount of appearances, stops getting played. Like Smith, Logan has looked after his career. He probably has another two years at decent level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Carl Fredrickson Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Could be a similar signing to Stephane Mahe. Close to the end if his career but a very good player for us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jr ewing Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 7 minutes ago, Carl Fredrickson said: Could be a similar signing to Stephane Mahe. Close to the end if his career but a very good player for us. Great player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rods Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Impressed by Logan so far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
underwaterwoodwelder Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Well done Robbie great solid signing on loan and if we get him on a 2 year contract. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BEDNAR BOY Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 He’s a player alright... according to the chat in Aberdeen he’s been servicing more than the boilers on his plumbing jobs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fancy a brew Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 4 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: Every player believes they should be playing. Why is he going to risk his wage on Neilson’s (or whoever) selection. Seen it plenty times, a player due a bonus after x amount of appearances, stops getting played. Like Smith, Logan has looked after his career. He probably has another two years at decent level. I think the resident Sheep on here said earlier in the thread that he's not getting a game at Aberdeen because he has an extension clause in his contract which would be triggered after he played a certain number of games, so Logan will know all about that. But we've seen others like Hughes and Whelan signing at the twilight of their careers and not being arsed about playing for Hearts, so I think it's right to be cautious about handing out contracts to ageing players who will never play at a higher level. Added to that, he intends to stay in Aberdeen where he also has his own plumbing business, and I worry that after a while his commitment might wane. If he's mad keen to carry on playing in the premiership he'll take a low basic/high bonus wage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregzy2k7 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 On 15/04/2021 at 00:07, DH1986 said: I’d rather we signed someone younger.....it would be nice to get a team who can grow and play together for more than one transfer window at a time. But if we really really can’t find anyone else.....I wouldn’t be against giving him a 12 month deal. This^ hopefully get Callum paterson back ( Ik wishful thinking, but not impossible) and cammy logan as back up at rwb, michael smith to play rcb. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tartofmidlothian Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Strolled through the game today. I'd sign him for next season, he'll walk into any team outside the top five and be one of their best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
heartsfc_fan Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Worth a contract next season. He's been decent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Glamorgan Jambo Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 He’s the one player we’ve signed that has stuck to the touchline. Which gives us width and space. Just wish we’d got the ball out to him more today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hmfc_liam06 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Would be more than happy giving him a years contract. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruyff Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Defo keep. Better RB than Smith, far more attacking with a better delivery. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BelgeJambo Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, Cruyff said: Defo keep. Better RB than Smith, far more attacking with a better delivery. Agree Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GinRummy Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 27 minutes ago, jr ewing said: Tap player. 🤗 Probably a pipe dream to keep him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SuperPippo Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 If he’s available on sensible wage, then no brainier to have a competent SPL experienced player like him in the squad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackLadd Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 has defo made a difference Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Loblaw Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 I like him, he's got a good attitude and has done well. But if Smith is here next year, which he should be, I'd rather Cammy Logan was backup. However if we seen Smith as someone who could play centre half, midfield and left back as cover you could have the Logan's at right back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 We did get this one wrong didn’t we...😬🙄 😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tian447 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 9 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: We did get this one wrong didn’t we...😬🙄 😂 The outrage was I was always keen to give him a chance. Funny what happens when we actually do that! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Just now, tian447 said: The outrage was I was always keen to give him a chance. Funny what happens when we actually do that! The outrage was kind of understandable but it would churlish now - if we get him for next season - to accept it was a fairly clever move to get him in, low risk, try him out and see how he fitted in. If we don’t sign him it will have been completely pointless IMO and we are entitled to be outraged again... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonnothejambo Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 22 minutes ago, Bob Loblaw said: I like him, he's got a good attitude and has done well. But if Smith is here next year, which he should be, I'd rather Cammy Logan was backup. However if we seen Smith as someone who could play centre half, midfield and left back as cover you could have the Logan's at right back. I'm not so sure Smith will be here next season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GinRummy Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 25 minutes ago, Bob Loblaw said: I like him, he's got a good attitude and has done well. But if Smith is here next year, which he should be, I'd rather Cammy Logan was backup. However if we seen Smith as someone who could play centre half, midfield and left back as cover you could have the Logan's at right back. Logan has been better than Smith recently. Smith’s performances have taken a dip this season imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
colinmaroon Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Just now, GinRummy said: Logan has been better than Smith recently. Smith’s performances have taken a dip this season imo. Better today, including one crucial block. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GinRummy Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 minute ago, colinmaroon said: Better today, including one crucial block. He was decent today, I agree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregzy2k7 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 He seems to have done well, i wasn't keen on this signing, but would not be against a 12 month deal, nothing more than that though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stranraer-jambo Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Would be a wrench if he left without us offering him a 12 month deal. Don't think his wages would be a big drain on us. Could be a pipe dream though. Perhaps our ITK guys could leak us some info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jonnothejambo Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Logan has previously stated he would be interested in staying at Hearts so let's hope a deal can be struck. He is a very good player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Libertonian_II Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 5 hours ago, Cruyff said: Defo keep. Better RB than Smith, far more attacking with a better delivery. Disagree. Smith far better Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cruyff Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 minute ago, Libertonian_II said: Disagree. Smith far better Nah. Smith's a better defender, that's why he's playing CB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
heartsfc_fan Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, stranraer-jambo said: Would be a wrench if he left without us offering him a 12 month deal. Don't think his wages would be a big drain on us. Could be a pipe dream though. Perhaps our ITK guys could leak us some info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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