Formula 1

[Day@theraces]

Was an enjoyable watch. Max doing the job and Mercedes putting in a better performance. Can see McLaren or Ferrari popping RB to the constructors if Perez keeps performing like he is.

[Bigsmak]

Actually a fun race that - did not know what way it was going to go

[Arse 'Friends' Dyslexic?]

Norris should have won that.

He had a massive lead before the first safety car and should have pitted immediately when it was issued.

Granted, he was close to the pit entry, but in a race like that, all teams should be poised to act immediately, as it was clear that a safety car / VSC could come at any moment.

 

Enjoyable and tricky race - I think everyone had an off at some point.

 

[hmfc_liam06]

One of the better races recently but it had a sense of inevitability once Norris relinquished the lead at the SC.

[Arse 'Friends' Dyslexic?]

Le Mans is on today/tomorrow.

If you've never watched before - or not for a while - then you might want to check it out.

The introduction of the new Hypercar rules produced one of the best races I can remember last year, and this year's could be even better, with 22 hypercars entered!

Plus it looks like there could be some dodgy weather...

 

 

[milky_26]

27 minutes ago, Arse 'Friends' Dyslexic? said:

Le Mans is on today/tomorrow.

If you've never watched before - or not for a while - then you might want to check it out.

The introduction of the new Hypercar rules produced one of the best races I can remember last year, and this year's could be even better, with 22 hypercars entered!

Plus it looks like there could be some dodgy weather...

 

 

further info, the race starts at 3PM today and is on eurosport if you want to watch it

[Tazio]

Looking a lot like Ferrari have lost Le Mans because a door wasn’t closed properly at a pit stop When they were in the lead. A decent time to go still and the rain is causing chaos with some of the circuit dry and some of it pissing down. 

[milky_26]

fire in the mclaren hospitality area. An individual was taken out in a stretcher and Craig Slater the sky sports presenter was live and he was trying to tell the cameraperson to not film the individual being put into the ambulance.

[Tazio]

Well this is showing all the signs of being a boring stinker of a race. 

[Seaside Dave]

10 hours ago, Tazio said:

Well this is showing all the signs of being a boring stinker of a race. 

Started outstanding with Russell going dro. Fourth to first in first corner. Lando breezing past everyone in the field. But whenever he got anything under 4 seconds close to max, max pitted so lando had to pit too. In the end he ran out of laps and max extends his lead at the top and hopefully a 4th world title on route. Off to Austria next for red bull before Silverstone 

[Tazio]

Hard racing is fine but there’s a line, and Verstappen crossed it today. 

[Taffin]

A Rosberg and Hamilton moment there. I wonder how their friendship will be?

 

Some wild driving from a few today.

[Sooperstar]

I like Verstappen but that's a poor show there. And effectively no punishment.

 

Finally get a good battle at the head of a race and he has to go and ruin it.

[hughesie27]

Even running him off the road afterwards 

[Mikey1874]

At least couple of years since Verstappen felt so much pressure he has to shunt another driver off.

 

Reassuring to many of his supporters.

[Taffin]

Lando is so naive and emotional. If/when he gets a handle on that he's going to have many, many wins.

[hmfc_liam06]

23 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

At least couple of years since Verstappen felt so much pressure he has to shunt another driver off.

 

Reassuring to many of his supporters.

He’s incapable of racing fairly in those situations.

[Seaside Dave]

Max gets a puncture from lando turning his car into max rear. Ruins his own race. Uk pundits with the torches out towards max as usual. Sets it up nicely for them to not give a shit about him getting booed at Silverstone.

[Tazio]

2 minutes ago, Seaside Dave said:

Max gets a puncture from lando turning his car into max rear. Ruins his own race. Uk pundits with the torches out towards max as usual. Sets it up nicely for them to not give a shit about him getting booed at Silverstone.

You really do watch F1 with absolutely no sense of reality. 

[Mikey1874]

Good to see there still Verstappen fanboys.

 

Curiously it's the people who don't like him who actually rate him highest. 

[milky_26]

20 minutes ago, Seaside Dave said:

Max gets a puncture from lando turning his car into max rear. Ruins his own race. Uk pundits with the torches out towards max as usual. Sets it up nicely for them to not give a shit about him getting booed at Silverstone.

max turned left into lando and caused the collision. 

 

[Taffin]

22 minutes ago, Seaside Dave said:

Max gets a puncture from lando turning his car into max rear. Ruins his own race. Uk pundits with the torches out towards max as usual. Sets it up nicely for them to not give a shit about him getting booed at Silverstone.

 

It was totally stupid from Max today. He had the win in the bag. Lando gets absolute gold fever when he has a chance to win and makes reckless moves and decisions. Max is a soon to be 4x world champion and should have kept his cool and just let Norris go by.

 

You're right about the punditry though...however I was surprised to actually find Naomi was pretty measured and fair in her assessment imo.

Edited June 30 by Taffin

[Seaside Dave]

7 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

max turned left into lando and caused the collision. 

 

Then lando double turned right and hit the rear tyre again of max. 

 

Good race. We extend lead at the top. With the boo army ready to go. After all 3 year ago they cheered their driver slamming his title rival into a wall and sending him to hospital 

[Sooperstar]

2 minutes ago, Seaside Dave said:

Then lando double turned right and hit the rear tyre again of max. 

 

Good race. We extend lead at the top. With the boo army ready to go. After all 3 year ago they cheered their driver slamming his title rival into a wall and sending him to hospital 

'We'. I will never understand supporting a certain manufacturer in motorsport. I just find it totally bizarre.

[Seaside Dave]

2 minutes ago, Sooperstar said:

'We'. I will never understand supporting a certain manufacturer in motorsport. I just find it totally bizarre.

Max fan. Me and Max are we 😳😂😂😂 you know it 

[Tazio]

6 minutes ago, Seaside Dave said:

Then lando double turned right and hit the rear tyre again of max. 

 

Good race. We extend lead at the top. With the boo army ready to go. After all 3 year ago they cheered their driver slamming his title rival into a wall and sending him to hospital 

How dare he try to get back onto the track after being forced off and his car being put out of control. Bad Lando. 

[milky_26]

12 minutes ago, Tazio said:

How dare he try to get back onto the track after being forced off and his car being put out of control. Bad Lando. 

i will say though a lap or two earlier lando did run max off the track, but there was not any contact. they both were at it 

[Tazio]

4 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

i will say though a lap or two earlier lando did run max off the track, but there was not any contact. they both were at it 

They were and we can both acknowledge that. Not everyone can. 

[milky_26]

1 minute ago, Tazio said:

They were and we can both acknowledge that. Not everyone can. 

exactly, i am a big max fan and want him to win the title but he was over aggressive and at fault

[Tazio]

This camera angle makes things quite clear

https://x.com/jpappone/status/1807442876651000261?s=61&t=1VODt4ofNc2rX-OOq_OUFw

[Taffin]

4 minutes ago, Tazio said:

This camera angle makes things quite clear

https://x.com/jpappone/status/1807442876651000261?s=61&t=1VODt4ofNc2rX-OOq_OUFw

 

He moves to the left, but equally Norris still has loads of room to avoid contact (not that he should have to) without going off track.

[Tazio]

4 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

He moves to the left, but equally Norris still has loads of room to avoid contact (not that he should have to) without going off track.

Verstappen’s movement is reacting to a move he sees happening and physically blocking the other car. Which you can’t do so Norris would legitimately not expect the move across to continue. Does this mean you aren’t allowed to overtake Verstappen as he will always pull that tactic? I don’t mind Verstappen but that isn’t the driving you expect from a multiple champion it more back end of the grid type stuff. 

[Taffin]

6 minutes ago, Tazio said:

Verstappen’s movement is reacting to a move he sees happening and physically blocking the other car. Which you can’t do so Norris would legitimately not expect the move across to continue. Does this mean you aren’t allowed to overtake Verstappen as he will always pull that tactic? I don’t mind Verstappen but that isn’t the driving you expect from a multiple champion it more back end of the grid type stuff. 

 

Equally he may just have been moving back to the racing line of the corner, given he had nothing to gain by that point in fighting as hard, still not okay though I agree. 

 

As I said, I'm just pointing out that Norris has plenty of space to avoid contact had he wanted to without going off the track. 

 

There were a few drivers today who were over the limit at times. Max being one of them.

Edited June 30 by Taffin

[Tazio]

1 minute ago, Taffin said:

 

Equally he may just have been moving back to the racing line of the corner, given he had nothing to gain by that point in fighting as hard, still not okay though I agree. 

 

As I said, I'm just pointing out that Norris has plenty of space to avoid contact had he wanted to without going off the track. 

 

Plenty room to avoid by slamming the anchors on I suppose but that just further encourages that defensive tactic. 

[Taffin]

Just now, Tazio said:

Plenty room to avoid by slamming the anchors on I suppose but that just further encourages that defensive tactic. 

 

Or by driving round him. There was plenty of space.

[Tazio]

Just now, Taffin said:

 

Or by driving round him. There was plenty of space.

If you look at the distance markers he had about 20m to make that choice at high speed, a split second. 

[Taffin]

3 minutes ago, Tazio said:

If you look at the distance markers he had about 20m to make that choice at high speed, a split second. 

 

That's the sport. He's got about 1.5m to play with on his left.

 

Edit: I just don't see what Max has to gain from it?  He was stupid to get all caught up in it at all imo.

 

Edited June 30 by Taffin

[hmfc_liam06]

The lengths some will go to to defend Verstappen is incredible.

 

[Taffin]

1 minute ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

The lengths some will go to to defend Verstappen is incredible.

 

 

I'm not defending him. If you bothered to read the thread you'd see I've said it was extremely stupid of him, he had nothing to gain from it all.

 

I'm just saying the idea that Norris was pushed off the track isn't true.

 

[redjambo]

6 hours ago, Tazio said:

Hard racing is fine but there’s a line, and Verstappen crossed it today. 

 

It's not the first time either, by a long shot.

[Seaside Dave]

1 hour ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

The lengths some will go to to defend Verstappen is incredible.

 

Correct ❤️

[Day@theraces]

Lando exceeding track limits leading to a 5 second penalty, may have avoided all this if Max had known before, he'd have been less aggressive and if overtaken stayed within the 5 seconds. The seethe from Sky did make me chuckle as if they forgot Silverstone 21. 

[Mikey1874]

Pretty straightforward to train Max on this. Nervous tick maybe of course. 

 

But a sign he won't lose

 

 

[hughesie27]

13 hours ago, Day@theraces said:

Lando exceeding track limits leading to a 5 second penalty, may have avoided all this if Max had known before, he'd have been less aggressive and if overtaken stayed within the 5 seconds. The seethe from Sky did make me chuckle as if they forgot Silverstone 21. 

Yeah, if only he knew about the 5 second delay he would't have had to drive into Lando. It's the FIAs fault.

[Taffin]

16 hours ago, Day@theraces said:

Lando exceeding track limits leading to a 5 second penalty, may have avoided all this if Max had known before, he'd have been less aggressive and if overtaken stayed within the 5 seconds. The seethe from Sky did make me chuckle as if they forgot Silverstone 21. 

 

I haven't listened to all of the radio but I was surprised GP wasn't calming him down more with this. I thought he be messaging something like "don't fight him Max, he's been referred for track limits so will be facing a 5 second penalty; don't get involved".

 

It was all really unnecessary. Lando has no composure in those situations, like Max used to be. Max lowered himself back to that level which was really disappointing.

Edited July 1 by Taffin

[milky_26]

13 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I haven't listened to all of the radio but I was surprised GP wasn't calming him down more with this. I thought he be messaging something like "don't fight him Max, he's been referred for track limits so will be facing a 5 second penalty; don't get involved".

 

It was all really unnecessary. Lando has no composure in those situations, like Max used to be. Max lowered himself back to that level which was really disappointing.

surely max would have been told about landos 5 second penalty. it seemed like max thought lando was overstepping the line in the previous few laps and wanted to show that he would not stand for it/be bullied and ended up overstepping himself in his defending

[Seaside Dave]

Love when they bring out the old clips of the same corner. Using max vs lando. Max vs charles. Vettel vs Hamilton. All 3 leading cars squeeze the driver to the left. Max left lando the most room out of the 3 clips. Max goes left against Charles undercuts him after corner with Drs and passes. Lewis goes left against vettel and undercuts him too. One out the 3 didn't go left and that was lando. Lando out of race max with puncture and sky pundits are after max blood for Silverstone incoming. 

[Seaside Dave]

2 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

surely max would have been told about landos 5 second penalty. it seemed like max thought lando was overstepping the line in the previous few laps and wanted to show that he would not stand for it/be bullied and ended up overstepping himself in his defending

Red bull weren't told he got it. Only McLaren knew he received it before it appeared on the TV screens. Was the same as when your man Bradley said lewis received a 5 second penalty. Boys on sky where like we haven't heard anything. 20 seconds later it appeared on TV screen. So I would say red bull weren't aware of lando pen literally until the puncture happened 

[Taffin]

3 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

surely max would have been told about landos 5 second penalty. it seemed like max thought lando was overstepping the line in the previous few laps and wanted to show that he would not stand for it/be bullied and ended up overstepping himself in his defending

 

He may well have been, as I say I haven't listened to all of the radio. He wasn't told about it or advised to let him go on the TV coverage from memory.

 

It's a shame, it was a fun battle but ended up with some pretty shit driving from the pair of them and max throwing his toys out the pram.

 

Has anyone had a look into the telemetry yet to see how often Max was actually moving under braking?

[hughesie27]

23 minutes ago, Seaside Dave said:

Love when they bring out the old clips of the same corner. Using max vs lando. Max vs charles. Vettel vs Hamilton. All 3 leading cars squeeze the driver to the left. Max left lando the most room out of the 3 clips. Max goes left against Charles undercuts him after corner with Drs and passes. Lewis goes left against vettel and undercuts him too. One out the 3 didn't go left and that was lando. Lando out of race max with puncture and sky pundits are after max blood for Silverstone incoming. 

You described it as though it's not turning under breaking. Strange.