TyphoonJambo Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Chaff. Showing your roots bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 11 hours ago, Newton51 said: ...A source told us: “It’s now really a question of how innovative football can be if we are to find a way of playing this year’s Scottish Cup to completion. Innovative?!... INNOVATIVE? ...definitely not a word you could use to describe the SFA/SPFL (at least, not in a good or positive way.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, John Findlay said: Chaff. Thanks mate! Could I remember it!!! One of the "advantages" of age - the curse of dropping down to the upper stratosphere of Doncaster's brain capacity - never as bad, unless I develop dementia of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsofgold Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Let's be honest, the SPFL/SFA are NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE AND NEED TO BE REPLACED!!! They are staffed and run by a bunch of 1960s/70s dinosaurs who either appreciate funny handshakes , wear bowler hats and white gloves on specific days/occasions OR they have an affiliation with another Glasgow based footballing culture. And I do not ****ing care if anybody is offended by the above comments. The truth hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 40 minutes ago, Heartsofgold said: Let's be honest, the SPFL/SFA are NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE AND NEED TO BE REPLACED!!! They are staffed and run by a bunch of 1960s/70s dinosaurs who either appreciate funny handshakes , wear bowler hats and white gloves on specific days/occasions OR they have an affiliation with another Glasgow based footballing culture. And I do not ****ing care if anybody is offended by the above comments. The truth hurts. No doubting that! I find it staggering that this behaviour has gone on for so long in a 'professional' institution such as Scottish Football. Two clubs run our game for the complete and total benefit of themselves... and (more unbelievably) it's being allowed to happen. Year after year after year. I really thought last years shenanigans was the catalyst to blow the spfl out of the water. It was our chance. Sadly, not to be... but, make no mistake, they're weak right now. I've said elsewhere in these threads, if there was to be a motion to have an independent investigation into the SFA/SPFL now, it would pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, colinmaroon said: Thanks mate! Could I remember it!!! One of the "advantages" of age - the curse of dropping down to the upper stratosphere of Doncaster's brain capacity - never as bad, unless I develop dementia of course. Lol, what are you like😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 28 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said: No doubting that! I find it staggering that this behaviour has gone on for so long in a 'professional' institution such as Scottish Football. Two clubs run our game for the complete and total benefit of themselves... and (more unbelievably) it's being allowed to happen. Year after year after year. I really thought last years shenanigans was the catalyst to blow the spfl out of the water. It was our chance. Sadly, not to be... but, make no mistake, they're weak right now. I've said elsewhere in these threads, if there was to be a motion to have an independent investigation into the SFA/SPFL now, it would pass. 😏 Yeah, last year could have been a catalyst, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niemi’s gloves Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 14 hours ago, Mikey1874 said: Don't see the problem. The precedent has been set with the Scottish Cup. For us, the issue with playing the Scottish Cup at the start of next season is that it kills any hope of European football next season. And as I have suggested on another thread winning the Scottish Cup this year - if it is finished on time - is potentially much better than finishing third in the premier league. Scottish Cup winners this year get an entry to the play off round of the Europa League. Win that tie and you are in the 32 club league stage of the Europa League next season. Even if you lose, you are in the league stage of the new European Conference. No Scottish Cup (or to be fair, a Celtic or Rangers win) and that prospect presumably reverts to whoever finishes third in the premier league, most probably Aberdeen or Hibs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 SCOTLAND’S lower league clubs are confident they will be given the go ahead to resume their season next week. SunSport understands League One and League Two outfits are expecting the green light ahead of a meeting with the SPFL on February 10. 1 Hampden The campaign will restart in early March and will be extended to mid-May with the possibility of playing into June if required. All 20 clubs involved have already sent a detailed proposal to SFA chief Ian Maxwell outlining their plans and urging his backing on the matter. The SPFL are expected to give their blessing to the blueprint which will see every player in League One and Two tested at least once-a-week. The clubs have made it clear they are willing to cover the cost of all Covid-19 testing in a determined bid to avoid a repeat of last season’s carnage. 1 / 3 They are desperate to make sure the campaign is played to a close and that all play-offs games will take place. The intention is to play every Tuesday and Saturday to squeeze in the remaining matches with more than half of the shortened 27-game programme still to be completed. And with the possibility of the Scotish Cup being shelved additional dates could also be made available. The bottom two divisions were placed into cold storage at the start of January due to the increased number of coronavirus cases. But it is now looking increasingly likely another disastrous abandonment will be avoided. Keep up to date with ALL the latest news and transfers at the Scottish Sun football page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Newton51 said: SCOTLAND’S lower league clubs are confident they will be given the go ahead to resume their season next week. SunSport understands League One and League Two outfits are expecting the green light ahead of a meeting with the SPFL on February 10. 1 Hampden The campaign will restart in early March and will be extended to mid-May with the possibility of playing into June if required. All 20 clubs involved have already sent a detailed proposal to SFA chief Ian Maxwell outlining their plans and urging his backing on the matter. The SPFL are expected to give their blessing to the blueprint which will see every player in League One and Two tested at least once-a-week. The clubs have made it clear they are willing to cover the cost of all Covid-19 testing in a determined bid to avoid a repeat of last season’s carnage. 1 / 3 They are desperate to make sure the campaign is played to a close and that all play-offs games will take place. The intention is to play every Tuesday and Saturday to squeeze in the remaining matches with more than half of the shortened 27-game programme still to be completed. And with the possibility of the Scotish Cup being shelved additional dates could also be made available. The bottom two divisions were placed into cold storage at the start of January due to the increased number of coronavirus cases. But it is now looking increasingly likely another disastrous abandonment will be avoided. Keep up to date with ALL the latest news and transfers at the Scottish Sun football page The clubs have made it clear they are willing to bear the cost of testing ? Didn't they get £500K from the SG for that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said: The clubs have made it clear they are willing to bear the cost of testing ? Didn't they get £500K from the SG for that ? nope the 500k was championship clubs, it was lower for L1 and L2 but should still be enough for the testing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NANOJAMBO Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Just now, milky_26 said: nope the 500k was championship clubs, it was lower for L1 and L2 but should still be enough for the testing OK, so we're agreed - they were given money by the SG to cover this. My point being, the Record doesn't acknowledge this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 4 hours ago, milky_26 said: nope the 500k was championship clubs, it was lower for L1 and L2 but should still be enough for the testing Yeah it was 150k for league 1 and 50k for league 2. I could see them either reducing the games to 18 games or making it mandatory for clubs to Covid test in the cup including highland and lowland league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadKiller Dog Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) Livingston being investigated by the police supposed were in tony macaroni before Aberdeen game . Edited February 5, 2021 by ToadKiller Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 8 hours ago, Newton51 said: SCOTLAND’S lower league clubs are confident they will be given the go ahead to resume their season next week. SunSport understands League One and League Two outfits are expecting the green light ahead of a meeting with the SPFL on February 10. 1 Hampden The campaign will restart in early March and will be extended to mid-May with the possibility of playing into June if required. All 20 clubs involved have already sent a detailed proposal to SFA chief Ian Maxwell outlining their plans and urging his backing on the matter. The SPFL are expected to give their blessing to the blueprint which will see every player in League One and Two tested at least once-a-week. The clubs have made it clear they are willing to cover the cost of all Covid-19 testing in a determined bid to avoid a repeat of last season’s carnage. 1 / 3 They are desperate to make sure the campaign is played to a close and that all play-offs games will take place. The intention is to play every Tuesday and Saturday to squeeze in the remaining matches with more than half of the shortened 27-game programme still to be completed. And with the possibility of the Scotish Cup being shelved additional dates could also be made available. The bottom two divisions were placed into cold storage at the start of January due to the increased number of coronavirus cases. But it is now looking increasingly likely another disastrous abandonment will be avoided. Keep up to date with ALL the latest news and transfers at the Scottish Sun football page One problem with this is the playoffs if the lower leagues don't finish until June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 43 minutes ago, ToadKiller Dog said: Livingston being investigated by the police supposed were in tony macaroni before Aberdeen game . whats that all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, **** the SPFL said: whats that all about. It would appear the good old SFA have been at it again !! https://livingstonfc.co.uk/club-statement-alleged-covid-19-breach/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fxxx the SPFL Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, steve123 said: It would appear the good old SFA have been at it again !! https://livingstonfc.co.uk/club-statement-alleged-covid-19-breach/ Celtic's hand all over this get their results against Livvy overturned or just the usual SFA SPFL incompetence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 22 minutes ago, steve123 said: It would appear the good old SFA have been at it again !! https://livingstonfc.co.uk/club-statement-alleged-covid-19-breach/ It appears the sfa/spfl/jrg have been moving the goalposts recently. Even Graeme Alexander, Motherwells manager, complained a couple of days ago that there had been changes made that the club hadn’t been made aware of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 6 hours ago, Newton51 said: Yeah it was 150k for league 1 and 50k for league 2. I could see them either reducing the games to 18 games or making it mandatory for clubs to Covid test in the cup including highland and lowland league I agree reducing to 18 games would be the best idea. Means all teams play home and away and the money they got should easily cover testing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 7 hours ago, Newton51 said: Yeah it was 150k for league 1 and 50k for league 2. I could see them either reducing the games to 18 games or making it mandatory for clubs to Covid test in the cup including highland and lowland league I think that is a sensible and realistic approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 The TV money that was held back due to some investigation, has that been released to the clubs yet? Never seen anymore about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 12 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said: The clubs have made it clear they are willing to bear the cost of testing ? Didn't they get £500K from the SG for that ? As others have said, it wasn't £500k in L1 and L2. It also wasn't for testing. It was to cover loss of earning from not having spectators in the ground. It was general income rather than being ring-fenced so could be spent on anything (possibly with restrictions around player transfers, that has never been fully clarified as far as I know). Given that most of the teams have almost the same cost base as in a normal year (they'll save on some match day costs but also have some additional costs related to the existing covid requirements), the the SG money may already have been committed to other things. There might be some clubs for which they grant has put them in a good position, but others like Partick and Falkirk for who the grant won't come close to covering their lost income. When the SG funding was announced there was no indication at that time that L1 and L2 clubs would need to test. So I think it is fair to say clubs are willing to bear the costs of testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, David Black said: The TV money that was held back due to some investigation, has that been released to the clubs yet? Never seen anymore about it. Some of it will be going to a leaving gift for Peter Lawell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said: As others have said, it wasn't £500k in L1 and L2. It also wasn't for testing. It was to cover loss of earning from not having spectators in the ground. It was general income rather than being ring-fenced so could be spent on anything (possibly with restrictions around player transfers, that has never been fully clarified as far as I know). Given that most of the teams have almost the same cost base as in a normal year (they'll save on some match day costs but also have some additional costs related to the existing covid requirements), the the SG money may already have been committed to other things. There might be some clubs for which they grant has put them in a good position, but others like Partick and Falkirk for who the grant won't come close to covering their lost income. When the SG funding was announced there was no indication at that time that L1 and L2 clubs would need to test. So I think it is fair to say clubs are willing to bear the costs of testing. My back-of-a-fag-packet calculation sees quite a few League 2 clubs actually making money out of this. Albion Rovers average 300. Allowing for an average of £15 per attendee, over 18 home games that's £81k. I assume they would have saved money elsewhere (stewarding, electricity etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Some of it will be going to a leaving gift for Peter Lawell ...the rest is going towards 'private surgery' to have dungcaster removed from his arse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 27 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said: My back-of-a-fag-packet calculation sees quite a few League 2 clubs actually making money out of this. Albion Rovers average 300. Allowing for an average of £15 per attendee, over 18 home games that's £81k. I assume they would have saved money elsewhere (stewarding, electricity etc) I think its possible but fairly unlikely. In addition to ticket sales there will be other matchday related income streams that have been affected - catering, advertising, etc. There are also the cup games that income has been lost from. I think the only way to know for sure would be to have detailed access to a club accounts. A while back I looked for lower league club accounts, but they all seem to make use of the small business exemptions which mean they aren't required to publish much detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Lambretta Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 39 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said: Some of it will be going to a leaving gift for Peter Lawell An extraction kit to remove Dungcaster from his back passage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarmerTweedy Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 17 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said: OK, so we're agreed - they were given money by the SG to cover this. My point being, the Record doesn't acknowledge this. They weren't given money specifically to cover testing, simply to help keep them going generally. Whether they were given enough to keep them going with the added cost of regular testing may be debatable, although I suspect for the part time clubs at least, they probably were. Maybe more doubtful for the likes of Falkirk and Partick with full time squads to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_T Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Could the Scottish Cup potentially work as an end of season tournament? The vast majority of teams will only need to play 1 or 2 games, so it could potentially be played over 3 or 4 weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, Martin_T said: Could the Scottish Cup potentially work as an end of season tournament? The vast majority of teams will only need to play 1 or 2 games, so it could potentially be played over 3 or 4 weeks? Not sure if international competitions could put paid to that but reorganising the season to have a league cup competition after all the leagues end would be a fantastic idea to revive a pishy competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertDawg Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 6 hours ago, manaliveits105 said: 7 hours ago, David Black said: The TV money that was held back due to some investigation, has that been released to the clubs yet? Never seen anymore about it. Last I heard from my local Raith Rovers fan here a couple of weeks ago was........no, and for some reason, nobody wants to talk about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Rogue Daddy said: It appears the sfa/spfl/jrg have been moving the goalposts recently. Even Graeme Alexander, Motherwells manager, complained a couple of days ago that there had been changes made that the club hadn’t been made aware of. SFA and SPFL - Dumb and Dumber! You'd think that Doncaster, with his extortionate £480, 000 Bribe, would be able at least to administrate. We all know he's worse than useless in any role other than a glove puppet elsewise. Maybe the fact that his "boss" is retiring and being replaced by a man SO FAR who seems an efficient, honest guy has got him in a panic? Edited February 5, 2021 by colinmaroon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tommy Brown Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Must have been put forward by Brechin City. We need less teams in the SPFL, not more. Plus I am anti OF colt sides. (Anti-OF altogether, actually) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said: Must have been put forward by Brechin City. We need less teams in the SPFL, not more. Plus I am anti OF colt sides. (Anti-OF altogether, actually) :Agree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 They knocked this back last year to spite us, they can now gtf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, graygo said: They knocked this back last year to spite us, they can now gtf. Year without gate receipts with this offer on the table is a no brainer. Could save Brechin for another year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section s heart Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Interesting to see if the position of Alloa and Brechin, bottom of their divisions and with representation on spfl boards, has any potential impact on the decision to be made about restarting League 1 and League 2. If L1 was to be null and void, do Alloa stay in the Championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, section s heart said: Interesting to see if the position of Alloa and Brechin, bottom of their divisions and with representation on spfl boards, has any potential impact on the decision to be made about restarting League 1 and League 2. If L1 was to be null and void, do Alloa stay in the Championship? It's hard to see how they could justify ending the leagues now. They weren't ordered to stop the league by Scottish Government. Scottish Government now talking about some easing of restriction hopefully being possible from early March. Doesn't really seem justifiable to keep the league suspended beyond mid-March unless things get worse rather than better. The SPFL still have the option of reducing L1 and L2 to 18 games before the need to void the leagues. In L1 at least 6 if 10 teams have a very realistic chance of making the play-offs, so unlikely to vote to void the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true-jambo Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 13 hours ago, Newton51 said: Year without gate receipts with this offer on the table is a no brainer. Could save Brechin for another year Wouldn't Brechin be saved if the Lowland/Highland leagues don't restart, cancelling the playoff for league status Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 The condition will be you can restart, but you must approve the gruesome twosome's colt teams being admitted to League 2. Once this is approved then the gruesome twosome will really crank up the pressure to leave Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 So no lower league or Scottish cup football till at least March. No way will League 1 and 2 be able to play a 27 game season. Surely the Scottish cup cant be played this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) Hate to think what this means for lowland, highland and east of Scotland leagues where no testing will be going on. Edited February 9, 2021 by Dazo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: So no lower league or Scottish cup football till at least March. No way will League 1 and 2 be able to play a 27 game season. Surely the Scottish cup cant be played this season. Very confused by what is going on as I thought it was purely the football authorities decision to suspend the leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_Mywords Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Hmmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jamboinglasgow Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hungry hippo said: Very confused by what is going on as I thought it was purely the football authorities decision to suspend the leagues. Or at least it was decision made with both sides. The statement very much makes it out that the football leagues came forward with plans but the government decided it should still be shut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackshades Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 (edited) The government didn't stop the lower leagues .the SFA and SPFL did that themselves the dispensation for sport still stands so why do they need government approval .strange underhand tactics on the go again Edited February 9, 2021 by Blackshades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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