steve123 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Moore and Irving called up well done to them, a bit surprised no place for Hickey !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HoGwash Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, steve123 said: Moore and Irving called up well done to them, a bit surprised no place for Hickey !! I think they might be trying to protect Hickey a little given how many games he's being asked to play as a 17 year old. Otherwise it's madness as he's easily good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, HoGwash said: I think they might be trying to protect Hickey a little given how many games he's being asked to play as a 17 year old. Otherwise it's madness as he's easily good enough. Yea got to agree seems a strange one if that is not the case !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Unfamiliar with a lot if these names, who is keeping Hickey out the team/squad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambocub Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gambo said: Unfamiliar with a lot if these names, who is keeping Hickey out the team/squad? One from ayr I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher75 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Delighted for Irving and Moore who both deserve a call up. Equally delighted Hickey hasn't been called up as we need to wrap him in cotton wool if we are relying on him to play every game til the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Hickey is 100% being monitored. Miles ahead of anyone in that squad bar Gilmour. Excellent for Moore and Irving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Good news for both the lads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Gilmour should be starting for the first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dayman said: Gilmour should be starting for the first team. I don't know about starting yet. Yes he has done well for Chelsea in the last few games but international football is different. I would however bring him into the senior squad at least for the experience and depending upon how he trains maybe play him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Dayman said: Gilmour should be starting for the first team. I agree, England throw in the likes of Loftus Cheek, Odoi, and Mount, and don't think anything of it, maybe Gilmour is "too wee" to play for Scotland yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Newco finally showing the positives from their new youth system. Can only be good for the future of Scottish football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Be amazed if these games go ahead to be honest. Europe steadily heading into lockdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 34 minutes ago, milky_26 said: I don't know about starting yet. Yes he has done well for Chelsea in the last few games but international football is different. I would however bring him into the senior squad at least for the experience and depending upon how he trains maybe play him It's different from Scottish football as the possession doesn't change hands as much but not so different from the Premier league. You could argue he'll be playing inferior opposition than he would at Chelsea (obviously works the other way in that his team mates aren't as good). For me it's a no brainer and if he's good enough for Chelsea he's good enough for Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexton Hardcastle Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Thought half this forum hated Scotland and the ‘tartan trannies’ so why get so worked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Gambo said: Unfamiliar with a lot if these names, who is keeping Hickey out the team/squad? Patrick Reading, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, alwaysthereinspirit said: Newco finally showing the positives from their new youth system. Can only be good for the future of Scottish football. Indeed they are fairly showing that investment in youth is the way forward 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, milky_26 said: I don't know about starting yet. Yes he has done well for Chelsea in the last few games but international football is different. I would however bring him into the senior squad at least for the experience and depending upon how he trains maybe play him You’re probably right. The fact he’s not had a call up yet is incredible though. 2 hours ago, The Old Tolbooth said: I agree, England throw in the likes of Loftus Cheek, Odoi, and Mount, and don't think anything of it, maybe Gilmour is "too wee" to play for Scotland yet That old chestnut! Probably bang on though 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 The club used to sell tickets cheap as chips to local boys clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulus Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Hickey not in 19s team either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midloth_Iain Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Hickey might be back up for Robertson in the 1st team squad ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baxterd1974 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Gambo said: Unfamiliar with a lot if these names, who is keeping Hickey out the team/squad? Patrick Reading - yet to make a first team appearance for Stevenage (according to EEN) Danial Harvie - Plays for Ayr Strikes me a classic Scotland decision based on no more than his age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Brick Tamland said: Indeed they are fairly showing that investment in youth is the way forward 😏 Investing in players with next to zero chance of playing for Rangers first team. Kennedy and Patterson were on bench on Sunday. But Ryan Kent was signed instead of giving youngsters a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Magic ball time again Mikey, rangers youth are outstanding in comparison with Hearts equivalents from what I have seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I honestly think Hickey should be in the senior squad just to mix and train with Andy Robertson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Brightside Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Brick Tamland said: Indeed they are fairly showing that investment in youth is the way forward 😏 5 hours ago, alwaysthereinspirit said: Newco finally showing the positives from their new youth system. Can only be good for the future of Scottish football. There are 6 players contracted to Rangers in the U21s which is a pretty good return. Gilmour was also in their youth system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mr Brightside said: There are 6 players contracted to Rangers in the U21s which is a pretty good return. Gilmour was also in their youth system. Name and shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr Brightside said: There are 6 players contracted to Rangers in the U21s which is a pretty good return. Gilmour was also in their youth system. We had a spell with multiple players in the U21s not that long ago - Nicolson, Walker, Hamilton, King, Souttar, McGhee... It's noticeable that OF players not playing for the first team often get in while Hearts players usually need to be paying for the first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 40 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: We had a spell with multiple players in the U21s not that long ago - Nicolson, Walker, Hamilton, King, Souttar, McGhee... It's noticeable that OF players not playing for the first team often get in while Hearts players usually need to be paying for the first team. OF kids are much better than the other teams dross. Or why else would Celtic/Newco sign them. Most if not all will be world class one day. At the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jambo Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 6 hours ago, The Old Tolbooth said: I agree, England throw in the likes of Loftus Cheek, Odoi, and Mount, and don't think anything of it, maybe Gilmour is "too wee" to play for Scotland yet Had a quick look at Transfermarkt. Hudson-Odoi is the only one of those three that is similar to Gilmour. - Loftus-Cheek was 22 when he started his first competitive game for England at the World Cup in 2018 (and only after Alli had been injured in the proceeding game). He'd made his debut 3 years earlier for Chelsea and had spent the whole proceeding season as a regular starter at Crystal Palace. - Mount was 20 when he started his first competitive game for England earlier this year. He'd spent a full season as a regular at Vitesse Arnhem and then another full season at Derby. He'd then started this season as a starter at Chelsea. - Hudson-Odoi is much more similar to Gilmour. He was 18 when he started for England against Montenegro and had only started 7 games for Chelsea. England did have the luxury of starting Hudson-Odoi in a qualifier in a group they were always going to win comfortably. Starting Gilmour against Israel in one of our most important internationals in a decade would be amazingly high risk, especially when central midfield is actually an area that we have some decent options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, alwaysthereinspirit said: OF kids are much better than the other teams dross. Or why else would Celtic/Newco sign them. Most if not all will be world class one day. At the very least. Just the Rangers players don't get a chance in the first team. Kai Kennedy for example. Would be in the St Johnstone team for instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Brightside Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 51 minutes ago, alwaysthereinspirit said: Name and shame. All the players marked with a 2 next to them, as they are currently on loan. Of the 6, Ross McCrorrie and Glenn Middleton have both played for Rangers first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Dayman said: Gilmour should be starting for the first team. Why? Because he had two decent performances for Chelsea's first team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, Mr Brightside said: All the players marked with a 2 next to them, as they are currently on loan. Of the 6, Ross McCrorrie and Glenn Middleton have both played for Rangers first team. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Why? Because he had two decent performances for Chelsea's first team? Not just decent to be fair. The worry about Gilmour is that, like Robertson, he will be brought down to the level of the players around him. He can win the ball, close down space, start attacks all he wants for Scotland but if he's only feeding the likes of Kenny McLean and Old McBurnie or O'Donnell down the flank, he won't be as effective for us. That said, the more quality players who have shown they can do it at a high level - like Gilmour, Robertson, Fraser and McTominay - the better. McGinn, Fraser, Gilmour, Robertson and McTominay would be the makings of a cracking team you'd hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 42 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said: Had a quick look at Transfermarkt. Hudson-Odoi is the only one of those three that is similar to Gilmour. - Loftus-Cheek was 22 when he started his first competitive game for England at the World Cup in 2018 (and only after Alli had been injured in the proceeding game). He'd made his debut 3 years earlier for Chelsea and had spent the whole proceeding season as a regular starter at Crystal Palace. - Mount was 20 when he started his first competitive game for England earlier this year. He'd spent a full season as a regular at Vitesse Arnhem and then another full season at Derby. He'd then started this season as a starter at Chelsea. - Hudson-Odoi is much more similar to Gilmour. He was 18 when he started for England against Montenegro and had only started 7 games for Chelsea. England did have the luxury of starting Hudson-Odoi in a qualifier in a group they were always going to win comfortably. Starting Gilmour against Israel in one of our most important internationals in a decade would be amazingly high risk, especially when central midfield is actually an area that we have some decent options. We should be looking to Wales and Northern Ireland rather than England. Both have played teenagers recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Why? Because he had two decent performances for Chelsea's first team? Or the fact he’s good enough to start for our first team, and probably has been for a year or so? If he was at rangers or Celtic Right now he’d be their star player, touted for a £20 million move down south, and in the Scotland team. He’s better than any player playing in the SPL outwith the ugly sisters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 "Kai Kennedy would be in the St Johnstone first team" Absolute bunkum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 13 hours ago, Saint Jambo said: Had a quick look at Transfermarkt. Hudson-Odoi is the only one of those three that is similar to Gilmour. - Loftus-Cheek was 22 when he started his first competitive game for England at the World Cup in 2018 (and only after Alli had been injured in the proceeding game). He'd made his debut 3 years earlier for Chelsea and had spent the whole proceeding season as a regular starter at Crystal Palace. - Mount was 20 when he started his first competitive game for England earlier this year. He'd spent a full season as a regular at Vitesse Arnhem and then another full season at Derby. He'd then started this season as a starter at Chelsea. - Hudson-Odoi is much more similar to Gilmour. He was 18 when he started for England against Montenegro and had only started 7 games for Chelsea. England did have the luxury of starting Hudson-Odoi in a qualifier in a group they were always going to win comfortably. Starting Gilmour against Israel in one of our most important internationals in a decade would be amazingly high risk, especially when central midfield is actually an area that we have some decent options. It's amazing to think that Loftus Cheek and Mount were a lot older than I thought they were, I honestly thought they were teenagers when blooded into the England set up, and I take your point about it being such an important game compared to a cushy qualifier, I still think he should be with the squad though, because he's the type of impact player we might well need when we inevitably struggle at some point, as is the Scotland way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VivaObua Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 21 hours ago, Famous 1874 said: Hickey is 100% being monitored. Miles ahead of anyone in that squad bar Gilmour. Excellent for Moore and Irving. The boy Johnston can play left back came through at Liverpool but went to Holland for around half a million. Looks the part but another left sided defender isn't what we need! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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