Doctor FinnBarr Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: Clip is showing as private 2 minutes ago, Zaba said: Aye I canny see the highlights either. 1 minute ago, Daz1874 said: I'm guessing SPFL caught on that they had published it and then had to unlist it until tomorrow I certainly watched it an hour or so ago, must be whirling aboot in Cyberspace noo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2205ian Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said: Forget offside, first Halkett should have been busting a gut to cover the scorer (unless he thought the flag was going up) and second that was yet another turnover in midfield leading to a goal due to the high pressing that lets people run on to through balls virtually unopposed. On the upside, Walker's looking really dangerous when he plays. Seems a strange idea to forget the rules of the game. He is offside, end of & as someone else pointed out, he came from an offside position in the lead up as well. Penalty is a stupid tackle by Clare, but again proved to be offside in the lead up when the ball rebounds off the clearance to Accies player. At the game I thought the red card was soft, but the defender did stop the ball from going on to Boyce who was in a goal scoring position. Disappointed in the number of chances passed up, some due to lack of composure in the box. We did not help ourselves by the number of times we committed stupid fouls which allowed Accies to break up play which was their game plan from the off. Overall, an important 2 points dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, 2205ian said: Seems a strange idea to forget the rules of the game. He is offside, end of & as someone else pointed out, he came from an offside position in the lead up as well. Penalty is a stupid tackle by Clare, but again proved to be offside in the lead up when the ball rebounds off the clearance to Accies player. At the game I thought the red card was soft, but the defender did stop the ball from going on to Boyce who was in a goal scoring position. Disappointed in the number of chances passed up, some due to lack of composure in the box. We did not help ourselves by the number of times we committed stupid fouls which allowed Accies to break up play which was their game plan from the off. Overall, an important 2 points dropped. Do you reckon Brian Mince had a wee flutter today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2205ian Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, FinnBarr Saunders said: Do you reckon Brian Mince had a wee flutter today? Possibly on "Goalie to be warned about time wasting in 1st 5 minutes", doubled up on "referee not booking goalie for time wasting despite 20+ warnings" We need to score the 1st goal in games to stop "tinpot" teams from using the above tactics. NB. If we score 1st goal, we can apply the above as we are a "tinpot" team at present :o( Edited February 16, 2020 by 2205ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaikatoJambo Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, Mr Rabbit said: As we’ve seen by VAR in the prem it’s not done by feet it’s any body part excluding the arms. In both his body and head are ahead of play. Exactly. It is clearly offside. There is no debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Wanshot. Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 When Hamilton went 2 up today after what was it 20 min ???. People started leaving from the main stand, what the hell did they come for. ?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Scottie Wanshot. said: When Hamilton went 2 up today after what was it 20 min ???. People started leaving from the main stand, what the hell did they come for. ?????? The Rugby and picked the wrong week ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie Wanshot. Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 When Hamilton went 2 up today after what was it 20 min ???. People started leaving from the main stand, what the hell did they come for. ?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Cruyff said: Fair enough mate. Can you do one with Halkett’s positioning when the ball goes through. Don’t think this would be possible. Halkett was down the tunnel having a bath it seems 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balernojambo Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 9 hours ago, Scottie Wanshot. said: When Hamilton went 2 up today after what was it 20 min ???. People started leaving from the main stand, what the hell did they come for. ?????? Maybe they went to get a pie!! I was more surprised at people leaving before we scored 2nd and then directly after when we were pushing for a later winner. Don't get that mentality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Ball and foot look like they are in line and the way his body is it looks like the foot will be furthest forward. He may well be off, but it’s inches at most. We can’t possibly see from this angle, and these things happen every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uche Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Sorry lads, don't think he is offside there/clutching at straws a bit. Dust ourselves down and onto the next massive 6-pointer against St Mirren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Roller Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 It’s offside ffs. Some Hearts fans 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 11 hours ago, merrymac said: Makes it easier if you can be offside throughout the move and then tap it in at the end from still in an offside position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Uche said: Sorry lads, don't think he is offside there/clutching at straws a bit. Dust ourselves down and onto the next massive 6-pointer against St Mirren. it’s offside.. remember it’s any part of the body and goals are being chopped of with VAR for armpits. that said, if he’d held his run 10cm he’d still have scored.. its so close we can’t moan about it - it’s ****ing terrible defending, again.. embarrassing actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, Uche said: Sorry lads, don't think he is offside there/clutching at straws a bit. Dust ourselves down and onto the next massive 6-pointer against St Mirren. It's a tough call, the ball in the picture has already been played. I'd call it in-line, therefor onside, but a tough call for the linesman. I'd been disappointed if we'd scored it and had it chopped off. However it's all a bit academic, every team in the league has worked out how to get in behind and score against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 It won’t let me upload the first photo but considering the boy that scores is literally 30 feet offside when the first ball Is played through, it’s a shocker of a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 40 minutes ago, Dayman said: Ball and foot look like they are in line and the way his body is it looks like the foot will be furthest forward. He may well be off, but it’s inches at most. We can’t possibly see from this angle, and these things happen every game. I may be wrong if I look back at the footage, but it’s not as if he’s just arriving(top pic). He’s already there and the linesman’s position should make it instantly so obvious to the eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Too close to call. Rank defending regardless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: I may be wrong if I look back at the footage, but it’s not as if he’s just arriving(top pic). He’s already there and the linesman’s position should make it instantly so obvious to the eye. Looks like his left foot is just off can’t really judge if any other part of his body is further forward than left foot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: I may be wrong if I look back at the footage, but it’s not as if he’s just arriving(top pic). He’s already there and the linesman’s position should make it instantly so obvious to the eye. He was there the full time. Original ball through he is about 30 yards offside but the ball comes off smith but he’s still standing miles off. Then the ball over to him he’s still offside. Minging decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot since 86 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 52 minutes ago, Dayman said: Ball and foot look like they are in line and the way his body is it looks like the foot will be furthest forward. He may well be off, but it’s inches at most. We can’t possibly see from this angle, and these things happen every game. It looks a lot closer in that pic than I thought it was. Tough call for linesman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 No conspiracy at all, you see it when teams are "down" all the time. But we're not getting a helluva lot of luck. 50/50s like this not going our way and other than Boyce v Rangers, when did we last get a luckyish goal? Deflection, own goal, keeper flap type thing. And every mistake we make seems punished. Even look back as far as the Celtic and Hibs games. Stonewallers turned down in both. Get those decisions, season could be looking v different. Make your own luck and all that but I kinda feel a bit that we're now doing enough to deserve some rub occasionally!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 34 minutes ago, busby1985 said: He was there the full time. Original ball through he is about 30 yards offside but the ball comes off smith but he’s still standing miles off. Then the ball over to him he’s still offside. Minging decision. Why would it matter where he was originally standing? He could be standing playing Rock Paper Scissors with Bobby but it’s irrelevant until his positioning when the ball was passed. His Original positioning just meant it was impossible to mark him. It seems he was inline with the ball from a few yards outside the box. IMG_5953.MOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, Dayman said: Why would it matter where he was originally standing? He could be standing playing Rock Paper Scissors with Bobby but it’s irrelevant until his positioning when the ball was passed. His Original positioning just meant it was impossible to mark him. It seems he was inline with the ball from a few yards outside the box. IMG_5953.MOV It’s all about when he becomes active no? Or am I getting my understanding of the offside rule wrong? The only time he is almost even remotely almost onside is when the ball is played over to him, when he is actually offside. So for the full phase of play he is offside and the linesman doesn’t flag. The decision aside, we can’t ignore the terrible play from us and am I being to harsh on the keeper thinking he should do better. It’s a scuffed shot into the ground and actual goes over his body, if he had his arms by his side he makes the save? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, busby1985 said: It’s all about when he becomes active no? Or am I getting my understanding of the offside rule wrong? The only time he is almost even remotely almost onside is when the ball is played over to him, when he is actually offside. So for the full phase of play he is offside and the linesman doesn’t flag. The decision aside, we can’t ignore the terrible play from us and am I being to harsh on the keeper thinking he should do better. It’s a scuffed shot into the ground and actual goes over his body, if he had his arms by his side he makes the save? Yeah, it’s irrelevant where he is until he’s involved in play. You can stand offside all you want, but are only offside when you get involved with play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Dayman said: Yeah, it’s irrelevant where he is until he’s involved in play. You can stand offside all you want, but are only offside when you get involved with play. Got you. So he was offside then 😂. Halkett was running like he had number 99 on his back 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 12 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: The Naismith miss was well offside too. I tried to convince my neighbour, that there was as a defender near the back post playing him on Lost my shit, when we never got a corner, when he gave offside for a player who never even attempted to play the ball. I don't think it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 13 hours ago, babywhalo said: Naismith wasnt offside. Their fullback slid into block the original cross from Smith played him on (you can't see him on the highlights when Naismith gets the ball) 36 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: I don't think it was. Looks like I was correct at the game, saying that he was onside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dayman said: Don’t think this would be possible. Halkett was down the tunnel having a bath it seems 😀 He must have been in line with Souttar, Clare & Smith I think were a couple of yards ahead of him but when the balls squared for the goal, he's 10-12 yards behind everyone else. Edited February 16, 2020 by Cruyff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hearts007 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 3 hours ago, The Roller said: It’s offside ffs. Some Hearts fans 🤣🤣🤣🤣 As clear as day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Dayman said: Ball and foot look like they are in line and the way his body is it looks like the foot will be furthest forward. He may well be off, but it’s inches at most. We can’t possibly see from this angle, and these things happen every game. Whether he is or isn't. It's a tough call for the linesman. The officials aren't the reason why we drew the game in any case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 12 hours ago, Scottie Wanshot. said: When Hamilton went 2 up today after what was it 20 min ???. People started leaving from the main stand, what the hell did they come for. ?????? People have been doing that most of the season. Lot of guys left after Killie went 2-0 up the other week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOak88 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 hours ago, TheBigO said: No conspiracy at all, you see it when teams are "down" all the time. But we're not getting a helluva lot of luck. 50/50s like this not going our way and other than Boyce v Rangers, when did we last get a luckyish goal? Deflection, own goal, keeper flap type thing. And every mistake we make seems punished. Even look back as far as the Celtic and Hibs games. Stonewallers turned down in both. Get those decisions, season could be looking v different. Make your own luck and all that but I kinda feel a bit that we're now doing enough to deserve some rub occasionally!!!! Defo rode our luck away at Falkirk the other week. How often does a team hit the woodwork 3 times and not score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I'm not sure if I'm missing something but to me, he's quite clearly offside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 36 minutes ago, Cruyff said: He must have been in line with Souttar, Clare & Smith I think were a couple of yards ahead of him but when the balls squared for the goal, he's 10-12 yards behind everyone else. 2 hours ago, Dayman said: Why would it matter where he was originally standing? He could be standing playing Rock Paper Scissors with Bobby but it’s irrelevant until his positioning when the ball was passed. His Original positioning just meant it was impossible to mark him. It seems he was inline with the ball from a few yards outside the box. IMG_5953.MOV You see it in this video! I agree with your last post as well. It’s very close. These go either way every day in every league in the world without VAR. If it’s wrong then it’s well within the margin of error that’s involved with being a human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¼½¾ Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Looks offside to me. Just. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonsgotop Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 just offside is........................... offside never looked in any doubt at the game. at no stage does he get himself back onside which makes the failure of the assistant referee even more unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Definite offside but not miles like I first thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 18 hours ago, 2205ian said: Seems a strange idea to forget the rules of the game. He is offside, end of & as someone else pointed out, he came from an offside position in the lead up as well. Penalty is a stupid tackle by Clare, but again proved to be offside in the lead up when the ball rebounds off the clearance to Accies player. At the game I thought the red card was soft, but the defender did stop the ball from going on to Boyce who was in a goal scoring position. Disappointed in the number of chances passed up, some due to lack of composure in the box. We did not help ourselves by the number of times we committed stupid fouls which allowed Accies to break up play which was their game plan from the off. Overall, an important 2 points dropped. Just meant there were things we could have done better to prevent that goal, offside or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vegas-voss Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Clerry Jambo said: I don't care if he is offside or not now that high backline needs changing far too ****ing easy again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Roller Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Taffin said: I'm not sure if I'm missing something but to me, he's quite clearly offside. Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot since 86 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, vegas-voss said: I don't care if he is offside or not now that high backline needs changing far too ****ing easy again. Enough chances to win three games! Brutal to concede two like that as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Hot since 86 said: Enough chances to win three games! Brutal to concede two like that as well Aye chances galore but again it's the softness of our goals.We don't need to have the defence pushed up that high any mistake and you can so easily be punished. Edited February 16, 2020 by vegas-voss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) The offside is clearly in the build up play with the ball over the top. Edited February 16, 2020 by kila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankfurter Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, kila said: The offside is clearly in the build up play with the ball over the top. That still is from the first Hamilton attack in the highlights. The goal is the second attack. The moment the ball is passed for the goal I think the striker's leading leg is marginally ahead of the ball, but that's no excuse for Halkett jogging back. Just look at how much faster Clare and Smith are getting back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Frankfurter said: That still is from the first Hamilton attack in the highlights. The goal is the second attack. The moment the ball is passed for the goal I think the striker's leading leg is marginally ahead of the ball, but that's no excuse for Halkett jogging back. Just look at how much faster Clare and Smith are getting back. Doh, I some how skipped over a few secs when scrubbing and thought it was part of the same play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Both goals were a shambles, Souttar dives in when he doesn't need to after they had a free header, Smith and Clare are caught too far up and Irving doesn't sense the danger and just jogs back. For the penalty, I've no idea what Clare was thinking, coming in from the wrong side and just booting him. There's a lot being said about tactics but the goals were down to amateur decision making and were easily preventable. I'd change the defence to put Smith at right back and Sibbick for Souttar because he has a bit of aggression and pace. What I'd also love to see is Damour fighting to get in the team and showing what he can really do. His experience would be useful right now and he has got it in him somewhere. Not holding my breath though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboelite Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) In other highlighrs when Clare is going through in goal with the ball over the top is he not strong armed in the face?? 2:57 in the footage. Edited February 16, 2020 by Jamboelite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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