Bozi Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 The team he took over were in freefall, terrible to watch, unmotivated, slow, disinterested and lacking any positivity. He had little time in between games to really get his ideas across and was just a chance to see who he could rely on. For me his term started properly after the winter break,so I ask have we seen an improvement? Yes Have we been more entertained? Yes Have we seen an increase in tempo? Yes Do the players look motivated? Yes Does the team look more positive? Yes There will be blips, he needs time to get the team drilled but I fully believe he is making a massive difference already. As for the Cathro comparison, that is lazy and unjust, the only thing they have in common is they have "a philosophy of football" unfortunately for Cathro he lacked the basic skills to communicate it, had no leadership, no charisma and no strength of will to impose it. Our Daniel has all of that in abundance and it looks as though the players are buying into it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Fox Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Blackshades said: We read it the first time I thought the second was better than the first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Kidd Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: The drama queen has returned. Never went away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackshades Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said: I thought the second was better than the first! Yes but not as good as the third Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, Mr Elwood P said: We don't have 2 years though, do we? Two more results like Kilmarnock and we might not be able to recover ... Because......? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boab said: Because......? We'll be cut adrift at the bottom ... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: We'll be cut adrift at the bottom ... ? We don’t have much choice but to stick with Stendel so we will see what happens. Here’s hoping for a couple of good results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merrymac Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: We'll be cut adrift at the bottom ... ? Marooned?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, davemclaren said: We don’t have much choice but to stick with Stendel so we will see what happens. Here’s hoping for a couple of good results. Agreed. To make a managerial change now would be ridiculous. We just have to hope that we can overcome the defensive deficiencies of the Stendel system and start winning games against bottom six sides. Our only two victories this season have been against Hibs and Rangers, games where the crowd carries the players. We need to get behind the team for the upcoming games against Hamilton and St Mirren. 3 minutes ago, merrymac said: Marooned?? Indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 56 minutes ago, KingRudi51 said: I'm not impressed with what I've seen if I am honest, Rangers game aside. I'm also not sure why so many are so desperate to defend him and sing his praises. His record since coming in is appalling. Perhaps the people singing his praises have actually noticed the difference in the way we play and are happier. I know I am. We need results but seeing a Hearts team trying to win again is lovely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, KingRudi51 said: I'm not impressed with what I've seen if I am honest, Rangers game aside. I'm also not sure why so many are so desperate to defend him and sing his praises. His record since coming in is appalling. How do you feel about the year before he arrived? Do you think it was an easy task to turn us around from a joint bottom of the league club to something better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, Mr Elwood P said: We'll be cut adrift at the bottom ... ? I was meaning why we are where we are ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboGraham Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Bozi said: For me his term started properly after the winter break, so I ask have we seen an improvement? Yes Have we been more entertained? Yes Have we seen an increase in tempo? Yes Do the players look motivated? Yes Does the team look more positive? Yes There will be blips, he needs time to get the team drilled but I fully believe he is making a massive difference already. I agree but its results that matter in this relegation fight, on that front he is not really making any difference. Since the break it’s 2 points from 9 against the bottom six sides round about us. That simply will not get us out of trouble. Forget tonight but come Saturday we must get 3 points from this improvement, motivated, higher tempo, positive group of players... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Do people never tire of moaning about the manager. Just back him, whether we win, lose or draw; Whether we get relegated, escape or even win the Cup. It is the support in supporter...What we need to do is pretty effing obvious to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolio Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, KingRudi51 said: I'm not impressed with what I've seen if I am honest, Rangers game aside. I'm also not sure why so many are so desperate to defend him and sing his praises. His record since coming in is appalling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRudi51 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Its an unpopular opinion, I just believe people are seeing what they want to believe to be true. There isn't really any evidence of us "playing better". The guy has had the worst start to his managerial career since he got the job. He inherited a decent squad bereft of confidence and he hasn't done anything to pick it up. We have never looked more frail at the back in all my time following hearts. The gegenpress has been sussed and unless he gets alot of cash to get some new bodies in it isnt going to work. This team has been built around direct football. You cant change that in 3-6 months. Its a failure on his part not recognising this and It will ultimately be his fault if we go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, KingRudi51 said: Its an unpopular opinion, I just believe people are seeing what they want to believe to be true. There isn't really any evidence of us "playing better". The guy has had the worst start to his managerial career since he got the job. He inherited a decent squad bereft of confidence and he hasn't done anything to pick it up. We have never looked more frail at the back in all my time following hearts. The gegenpress has been sussed and unless he gets alot of cash to get some new bodies in it isnt going to work. This team has been built around direct football. You cant change that in 3-6 months. Its a failure on his part not recognising this and It will ultimately be his fault if we go down. No it hasn't. For direct football (I assume you mean front to back long ball football) you need a target man who scores goals and hold the ball up and speedy wide men to run onto long balls. We have none of those things. Aside from Berra our defenders all want to play football rather than punt it, and we have midfielders who want to keep it on the deck rather than just being runners. None of Naismith, Washington, Walker and now Boyce are suited to direct, long ball football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 On 12/02/2020 at 08:03, Mr Elwood P said: Not justified, simply compared. How else would you measure the current Hearts manager, other than against their predecessor(s)? Every Hearts striker is compared and contrasted to John Robertson. Naturally Daniel Stendel will be compared to Ian Cathro and Craig Levein, as they held the managerial position directly before him. Not after 10 games surely? In his 3 seasons Levein started solidly, then was briefly excellent then was terrible. Stendel might do it the other way around given time. Stendel's 10-13 games or so should no more define him as a manager of Hearts than Levein's 10-13 at the start of last season. Decisions around the goalkeeper position aside I think Stendel is getting more out of the players and delivering better football. I like how he seems to be trying really hard to build a better team spirit and connect with the players and fans. He also showed in the first half vs Celtic that we could play slightly more within ourselves and hold our won against celtic. We were undone by two goalie mistakes primarily and then experienced a familiar collapse at Celtic Park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Time to start a Stendel oot thread, keep it live for 2 years. It's the only way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 1 hour ago, KingRudi51 said: Its an unpopular opinion, I just believe people are seeing what they want to believe to be true. There isn't really any evidence of us "playing better". The guy has had the worst start to his managerial career since he got the job. He inherited a decent squad bereft of confidence and he hasn't done anything to pick it up. We have never looked more frail at the back in all my time following hearts. The gegenpress has been sussed and unless he gets alot of cash to get some new bodies in it isnt going to work. This team has been built around direct football. You cant change that in 3-6 months. Its a failure on his part not recognising this and It will ultimately be his fault if we go down. Gie yersel peace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I'm 100 % behind him and will pass judgement in 12 months time. Not only did he inherit several duds, he has also had to contend with the never ending injuries which dog us. Sibbick has added a new touch to this by suffering from an illness. Give the guy a proper chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, ToqueJambo said: Not after 10 games surely? In his 3 seasons Levein started solidly, then was briefly excellent then was terrible. Stendel might do it the other way around given time. Stendel's 10-13 games or so should no more define him as a manager of Hearts than Levein's 10-13 at the start of last season. Decisions around the goalkeeper position aside I think Stendel is getting more out of the players and delivering better football. I like how he seems to be trying really hard to build a better team spirit and connect with the players and fans. He also showed in the first half vs Celtic that we could play slightly more within ourselves and hold our won against celtic. We were undone by two goalie mistakes primarily and then experienced a familiar collapse at Celtic Park. Incredible levels of positivity for the new manager. If Levein had overseen the last 10 games nobody would be taking any positives out of anything. It would be ‘only’ Falkirk and Airdrie, ‘easy draw’, ‘unacceptable’, ‘killing the club’ ... Tomorrow is make or break. We’ve got three international strikers, two international defenders a few very good young players. Goalkeepers aside I don’t think any bottom six team would not want the vast majority of ours players. 10 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: Time to start a Stendel oot thread, keep it live for 2 years. It's the only way. Two years? That’s even more optimistic than @ToqueJambo ... Edited February 14, 2020 by Mr Elwood P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Would prefer to judge him once he has put a settled side out for a run of games. However, given the precarious predicament we find ourselves in, he's more likely to field players who are already carrying injuries or who are not entirely fit, which in turn can lead to erratic performances and inconsistent results, which taken together generally exacerbates the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: Incredible levels of positivity for the new manager. If Levein had overseen the last 10 games nobody would be taking any positives out of anything. It would be ‘only’ Falkirk and Airdrie, ‘easy draw’, ‘unacceptable’, ‘killing the club’ ... Tomorrow is make or break. We’ve got three international strikers, two international defenders a few very good young players. Goalkeepers aside I don’t think any bottom six team wouldn’t the majority of ours players. Two years? That’s even more optimistic than @ToqueJambo There was definitely not the same levels of positivity about levein during his horrendous run of results but some of the excuses were belters. My favourite, or one of them, was folk writing off the league cup group performances as ‘basically pre season games’😂 Another was players couldn’t cope with fan pressure 😀 that one was lapped up on here with everybody on jkb blaming each other. as the big man said himself ‘it’s a good laugh isn’t it’ Edited February 14, 2020 by GinRummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, GinRummy said: There was definitely not the same levels of positivity about levein during his horrendous run of results but some of the excuses were belters. My favourite, or one of them, was folk writing off the league cup group performances as ‘basically pre season games’😂 Another was players couldn’t cope with fan pressure 😀 that one was lapped up on here with everybody on jkb blaming each other. as the big man said himself ‘it’s a good laugh isn’t it’ To be fair, the only thing thing that matters in cup football is being in the draw for the next round. We won a group with Dundee United in it, beat Motherwell and beat Aberdeen. Job done. Not sure it’s fan pressure but some players definitely struggle to play for ’bigger teams’. See it a lot at properly big teams like Rangers and Man U. Webster said himself he couldn’t handle the pressure at Rangers. We see it to a lesser extent at Hearts as well. Is that the size of the club or the demands of the fans though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynnlondon Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I'd say the demands of Hearts fans hasn't been particularly high for quite some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 44 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: To be fair, the only thing thing that matters in cup football is being in the draw for the next round. We won a group with Dundee United in it, beat Motherwell and beat Aberdeen. Job done. Not sure it’s fan pressure but some players definitely struggle to play for ’bigger teams’. See it a lot at properly big teams like Rangers and Man U. Webster said himself he couldn’t handle the pressure at Rangers. We see it to a lesser extent at Hearts as well. Is that the size of the club or the demands of the fans though? Some people were always very fair to Craig. The thing I agree with you most about the current situation is Stendel doesn’t have the time that Craig had. That’s just a fact. Hopefully that won’t matter but if he can’t get the job done it’ll be a shame because, one way or another, I think he’ll be gone. Would be nice to see what he could do with a pre-season behind him though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Салатные палочки Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 12 hours ago, KingRudi51 said: Its an unpopular opinion, I just believe people are seeing what they want to believe to be true. There isn't really any evidence of us "playing better". The guy has had the worst start to his managerial career since he got the job. He inherited a decent squad bereft of confidence and he hasn't done anything to pick it up. We have never looked more frail at the back in all my time following hearts. The gegenpress has been sussed and unless he gets alot of cash to get some new bodies in it isnt going to work. This team has been built around direct football. You cant change that in 3-6 months. Its a failure on his part not recognising this and It will ultimately be his fault if we go down. Well that is simply untrue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Fox Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Friday night ..... it’s Daniel Stendel night .... time to deliver .... make or break.... HERO or ZERO???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jambo-Fox said: Friday night ..... it’s Daniel Stendel night .... time to deliver .... make or break.... HERO or ZERO???? Once the players step over the white line it’s up to them to deliver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Hunt Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, It should have been ten said: Once the players step over the white line it’s up to them to deliver. Stendel has thrown the gauntlet down to the players. Let’s see if the are man enough and good enough to rise to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Ethan Hunt said: Stendel has thrown the gauntlet down to the players. Let’s see if the are man enough and good enough to rise to it. Absolutely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Brody Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 This thread should go to the Classics. Wonder if the OP is now like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Shut this shit down please mods. Embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Brody Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 It's amazing how the more prominent posters on this thread have gone AWOL. Even more so, the Levein backers are absolutely silent now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 How to make an absolute tit of yourself The OP should be too embarrassed to post on this board again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie86 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 This, along with the "Get Lockie in there to sort them out!" nonsense, has to stop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I'd say the OP was more of a Cathro tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nicholas Brody said: It's amazing how the more prominent posters on this thread have gone AWOL. Even more so, the Levein backers are absolutely silent now. I backed Levein and am absolutely loving Stendel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Jamie86 said: This, along with the "Get Lockie in there to sort them out!" nonsense, has to stop! This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 I was tempted to bump this thread myself. More than a few idiots will be embarrassed to see it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 38 minutes ago, It should have been ten said: I backed Levein and am absolutely loving Stendel! This for me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It should have been ten Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, graygo said: This for me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 On 06/02/2020 at 16:11, Bridge of Djoum said: Did I say otherwise? There are genuine concerns and justified criticism and there is trolling. Really easy to discern between the 2. Reading through the thread and this post sums it up. You can see the guys who were genuinely worried we’d gone the wrong way with DS and you can see the tossers who were loving every minute of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, GinRummy said: Reading through the thread and this post sums it up. You can see the guys who were genuinely worried we’d gone the wrong way with DS and you can see the tossers who were loving every minute of it. Kickback is always a good place when the Hibs have been put in their beds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Boab said: Kickback is always a good place when the Hibs have been put in their beds. Will be an easier journey to Hampden now a few of them have decided they’re no going anymore. 😂. Maroon scarves flapping out car windows all the way along the M8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexton Hardcastle Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Shame my thread calling out the doubters and little bitches was pulled by admin last night. Get it right up you soft as shite twats. Scrambling for semi final tickets no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Cathro did oversee a 3-1 at Easter road tbf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busby1985 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Threads like this always put a smile on my face. FILL THE CORNERS!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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