Maroonblood22 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, PhoenixHearts said: Symptomatic of what has happened to our club. Thank **** Stendel is in. Hopefully the black cloud around the team starts to lift and dissipate. I know many don't want to hear it, but Mulraney is actually a decent player (or he can be) However he's incredibly inconsistent and often not up to standard. Maybe the new manager can help him get his head in the right place. *IF* he can do that (and improve his crossing), he sounds like he could be the right kind of player for Stendel's system. I'm not ready to shun the kid just yet. He was wrong to swear at the ref so I hope he gets fined and suspended. I'm just not writing him off. Positive vibes only. No looking back after Tuesday. I think similar. Mulraney seems to be exactly the sort of player that will fit Stendel's system, very quick and has bags of energy. His **** up yesterday is probably more symptomatic of where the player's are at mentally right now rather than a sign of his actual character. Stendel seems to favour the younger players going by his interviews and feedback from the Barnsley fans, so I think we'll see a lot less of the MacLean type player and a lot more of Mulraney, Keena, Irving etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroonblood22 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, PhoenixHearts said: Symptomatic of what has happened to our club. Thank **** Stendel is in. Hopefully the black cloud around the team starts to lift and dissipate. I know many don't want to hear it, but Mulraney is actually a decent player (or he can be) However he's incredibly inconsistent and often not up to standard. Maybe the new manager can help him get his head in the right place. *IF* he can do that (and improve his crossing), he sounds like he could be the right kind of player for Stendel's system. I'm not ready to shun the kid just yet. He was wrong to swear at the ref so I hope he gets fined and suspended. I'm just not writing him off. Positive vibes only. No looking back after Tuesday. Doubler Edited December 8, 2019 by Maroonblood22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 8 hours ago, SpruceBringsteen said: I ken this is a thread to bash a Hearts player, but I'll chime in by pointing out that if telling the ref to **** off is a straight red card offence now, then tomorrow's cup match is going to be abandoned. Refs get told to **** off all the time, be something wrong if they didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Given the utter garbageness of all our referees week in week out it astounds me that more players are not sent off for vetting their frustrations at the chronic decision making we see week in week out. I won't be watching the bigotfest today but I doubt anyone will get their "marching orders" from the ref for swearing but then you have to referee them differently don't you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscjambo Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 8 hours ago, andydog said: Swearing at the ref is a yellow card. Calling the ref a cheat is a red card. I don't know what happened but those are the rules. That's incorrect mate. My mate is category 3 ref and swearing directly at the ref is a red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 I got sent off for telling the ref to **** off once. Worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durham Jambo Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 I still play seniors football. The general rule is don’t swear at the ref. If he swears at you first though then you can swear back. At pro level I wouldn’t be expecting anyone to swear at a ref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diadora Van Basten Posted December 8, 2019 Author Share Posted December 8, 2019 I got sent off for saying for f**** sake ref after our player got cleaned out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboiain13 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 10 hours ago, Jambof3tornado said: Aye but we see players swearing at refs week in week out yet Jake has been singled out. When was the last time a player in the spfl got sent off for this?? probably Paul Ritchie at Ibrox in 1996 and that was just at the linesman FFS...incidentally also the last time I set foot inside that particular sh**ehole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Referees know foul language will be used towards them. With me it is all down tone. "For ****s sake ref" is entirely different to "**** you, ref" Then players think it's ok to be totally abusive /insulting. No hesitation of a red. I imagine 90% or more have never reffed a game, so have no experience of how player dissent can snowball into losing control of a match. My pre match talk warned "call me a *****, I'll be a *****". Players got to know, play fair with me, it would be returned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 5 hours ago, PhoenixHearts said: Symptomatic of what has happened to our club. Thank **** Stendel is in. Hopefully the black cloud around the team starts to lift and dissipate. I know many don't want to hear it, but Mulraney is actually a decent player (or he can be) However he's incredibly inconsistent and often not up to standard. Maybe the new manager can help him get his head in the right place. *IF* he can do that (and improve his crossing), he sounds like he could be the right kind of player for Stendel's system. I'm not ready to shun the kid just yet. He was wrong to swear at the ref so I hope he gets fined and suspended. I'm just not writing him off. Positive vibes only. No looking back after Tuesday. I like Mulraney too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 He is just about on his last chance for me, needs to grow a pair and stop hiding in games, needs to look at Neil McCann for example he ruled the left flank. Mulraney does not track back very well and rarely looks like he wants the ball, at moment its a get rid of from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Tommy Brown said: Referees know foul language will be used towards them. With me it is all down tone. "For ****s sake ref" is entirely different to "**** you, ref" Then players think it's ok to be totally abusive /insulting. No hesitation of a red. I imagine 90% or more have never reffed a game, so have no experience of how player dissent can snowball into losing control of a match. My pre match talk warned "call me a *****, I'll be a *****". Players got to know, play fair with me, it would be returned. Where do you ref about? Heard that a few times. One boy was saying he used to be in the army so was taking no shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jeff said: Where do you ref about? Heard that a few times. One boy was saying he used to be in the army so was taking no shit Gave up a few years. But mostly west Lothian sunday pub, early days I was Lothian Amateurs on Saturdays, that was the most enjoyable. Although you stillencounter lots of dicks Done about 12 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 14 hours ago, stotty said: Don't think we'll miss him - garbage with the heart of a mouse. Aye, OK then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alwaysthereinspirit Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 15 hours ago, tian447 said: There's a difference between swearing during a game, and swearing directly at the referee or in clear earshot when it's about them. Total lack of respect as well, and rightfully deserves a red card. There’s also a difference in who some players play for and some don’t. Inconsistency again from Scottish officials. And once again Hearts feel the wrath. Hearts fans turning on Hearts players for something done in every game by someone on every team gets on my T!*s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Strange guy, we have a mutual friend and from what I hear he’s always flipping his kid and squared up to teammates after a couple of games last season for a guy with so much aggression it’s bizarre that he can’t channel it into his performances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: I got sent off for telling the ref to **** off once. Worth it. Me anaw. Ya cheating Barstewart was also part of the sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Referees are generally encouraged to try and ignore the relatively harmless "**** off" shouts that happen throughout a game. Most of them are in frustration at a decision going against their team. The problem normally occurs when the abuse gets personal and it becomes "**** off, you" or "you ****ing tosser" or similar. Most refs are fairly tolerant and will show a yellow card for repeated "dissent" (there is no yellow card option for foul or abusive language), before resorting to a straight red. I suspect that Mulraney crossed the line, just once too often and the ref had had enough. I have no sympathy for any player that abuses the officials, and would rather that the refs adopted a zero tolerance approach. I wonder how a player would react if the referee said "you ****ing muppet" if the player had just conceded a penalty or an own goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BigAlim said: Strange guy, we have a mutual friend and from what I hear he’s always flipping his kid and squared up to teammates after a couple of games last season for a guy with so much aggression it’s bizarre that he can’t channel it into his performances I met a wee guy related to Jake a couple of years ago, a cousin I think IIRC, but he was at ICT so I never paid much attention. Anyway, dont want to name him but he was a wee radge from a mental part of Dublin, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Jake was a bit tasty. BTW what does flipping his kid mean? Edited December 8, 2019 by Smithee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 He wont be playing next week. Result! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAlim Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Smithee said: I met a wee guy related to Jake a couple of years ago, a cousin I think IIRC, but he was at ICT so I never paid much attention. Anyway, dont want to name him but he was a wee radge from a mental part of Dublin, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Jake was a bit tasty. BTW what does flipping his kid mean? meant lid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stotty Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: Aye, OK then. Aye, pretty sure it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Footballfirst said: Referees are generally encouraged to try and ignore the relatively harmless "**** off" shouts that happen throughout a game. Most of them are in frustration at a decision going against their team. The problem normally occurs when the abuse gets personal and it becomes "**** off, you" or "you ****ing tosser" or similar. Most refs are fairly tolerant and will show a yellow card for repeated "dissent" (there is no yellow card option for foul or abusive language), before resorting to a straight red. I suspect that Mulraney crossed the line, just once too often and the ref had had enough. I have no sympathy for any player that abuses the officials, and would rather that the refs adopted a zero tolerance approach. I wonder how a player would react if the referee said "you ****ing muppet" if the player had just conceded a penalty or an own goal. I would love to see that happen though !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macros Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 I understand that swearing at a ref cannot be condoned but many players do it without being punished, I recall Wayne Rooney repeatedly telling a ref to eff off during a game, camera on him and it was clear what he was saying and who he was saying it to. I was coaching a boys team at the time and it was difficult to explain why he could do that when they'd be suspended for at least 3 games for doing the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Pretty sure Anfield just swore at Gollum (understandable tbh) with no punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, Macros said: I understand that swearing at a ref cannot be condoned but many players do it without being punished, I recall Wayne Rooney repeatedly telling a ref to eff off during a game, camera on him and it was clear what he was saying and who he was saying it to. I was coaching a boys team at the time and it was difficult to explain why he could do that when they'd be suspended for at least 3 games for doing the same. Yeah. It's very odd for a red to be given when it so often isn't even a yellow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Pretty sure Anfield just swore at Gollum (understandable tbh) with no punishment. He did, but as per the rules of football in Scotland, referees are entitled/under instruction to ignore offences in Rangers v Celtic games that would normally be punished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Was it 2nd yellow or straight red? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 20 minutes ago, Smoked-Glass said: Was it 2nd yellow or straight red? Straight red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmaroon Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 (edited) All the paragons of self-control pontificating their self-righteous hypocritical claptrap. You've never lost it, eh? Edited December 8, 2019 by colinmaroon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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