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Would love to know how many weeks of injury has been caused be players being put out when not fit. Haring played for weeks on injections, Uche at Ibrox wasn't fit and was out for months after. Naismith. Smith lately. 

Problem is players who aren't fit play shit anyway so what's the point. Better of with fully fit youngsters than a senior struggling.

Did we ever pick up points thanks to a someone playing through the pain barrier

 

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Pasquale for King

In a root and branch investigation by an impartial advisor and a likely upheaval of medical department and training.

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Pasquale for King
On 31/08/2019 at 20:37, 1874robbo said:

Get a feckin ugly physio and the injuries will clear up pronto!!

Didn’t work for Hibs when their physio followed Stubbs out the door for some reason 😜.

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Pasquale for King
On 31/08/2019 at 22:24, Blacky87 said:

So, 

 

We seem to have an outstanding injury record at the club at this moment in time. 

 

Are we really signing injury prone players or are we doing something in training that is letting this happen? 

 

I'm purely speculating, who else uses the Orium? What are the injury stats like with them? 

 

What are we doing in training sessions?

 

I refuse to believe its just bad luck, it seems to me every game now we have someone hobble off for months at a time!

 

I'm not looking for conspiracy theories etc. Just wondered if any member has a bit more knowledge in this and can shed some light. Are we breaking our own players?? 

To me it’s not actually CLs behaviour telling players to play through it a bit. No player will ever feel 100% injury free. If players are suffering non contact injuries a lot it’s likely to be poor diet and lack of sleep. However it’s not just one player it’s an entire squad who have pulled up at some point. That’s a training load problem. The length or intensity and repetitiveness of training is too high.

The thoughts of an Uefa A Licence coach who was allowed access to training for a short spell under Sergio.

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1874robbo
7 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

Didn’t work for Hibs when their physio followed Stubbs out the door for some reason 😜.

Their injury list has never been as bad as ours so maybe it does work 

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Pasquale for King
1 minute ago, 1874robbo said:

Their injury list has never been as bad as ours so maybe it does work 

I doubt if anyone in world football would’ve had every single outfield player miss games due to injury at some point over two seasons, and nothing be done about it. If anything it seems to be getting worse, so getting in a wee fat guy might be worth a try. 

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Blacky87
6 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

To me it’s not actually CLs behaviour telling players to play through it a bit. No player will ever feel 100% injury free. If players are suffering non contact injuries a lot it’s likely to be poor diet and lack of sleep. However it’s not just one player it’s an entire squad who have pulled up at some point. That’s a training load problem. The length or intensity and repetitiveness of training is too high.

The thoughts of an Uefa A Licence coach who was allowed access to training for a short spell under Sergio.

Yeah I had skirted on the idea training was maybe too much, but perhaps the type rather than time? We look unfit at times.

I get niggles and pains in my work alot, so I'm not oblivious to training injuries. 

Thank you for sharing. I would have hoped a physio or levein would notice intensity/overload however. What's your thoughts? 

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Mr Kipling
On 31/08/2019 at 10:02, Clerry Jambo said:

The injury list ends when we get proper management and coaches in that know how to do their jobs properly. 

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Captain Canada

Lessons aren't being learned. The final home game of last season Uche complained of a tight hamstring at half time and was put on in the second half. He then got injured and couldn't start the cup final. 

 

Naismith has started one game and come on in another having complained of a tight hamstring.

 

Michael Smith lasted 18 minutes at Celtic Park having complained of a tight hamstring during the week. 

 

Haring is out for at least 3 months due to having nobody to cover his position. Berra got the first serious injury of his career, another hamstring as far as I remember. 

 

Uche, Berra and Naismith all came back too early from injury. By Levein's own admission, Clare was pitched in too soon. 

 

Wighton has barely been fit for any length of time since he arrived, our new goalie lasted two games. 

 

The list goes on and on and my point is nothing seems to be changing. 

 

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Pasquale for King
7 minutes ago, Blacky87 said:

Yeah I had skirted on the idea training was maybe too much, but perhaps the type rather than time? We look unfit at times.

I get niggles and pains in my work alot, so I'm not oblivious to training injuries. 

Thank you for sharing. I would have hoped a physio or levein would notice intensity/overload however. What's your thoughts? 

You would think so, we rarely look up for it and raring to go apart from maybe Celtic at home where the fans are giving the team energy. In Leveins first spell we had Tom Ritchie getting the team ready to go full pelt from the first minute, not sure why that’s changed.

I don’t know the answer but a quick visit to our new pals in Manchester and a bit of advice wouldn’t go amiss.

The diet and lack of sleep part interests me, as someone who sadly enough follows a few players on social media their eating habits leave a lot to be desired, especially the young guys.

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Pasquale for King
5 minutes ago, Captain Canada said:

Lessons aren't being learned. The final home game of last season Uche complained of a tight hamstring at half time and was put on in the second half. He then got injured and couldn't start the cup final. 

 

Naismith has started one game and come on in another having complained of a tight hamstring.

 

Michael Smith lasted 18 minutes at Celtic Park having complained of a tight hamstring during the week. 

 

Haring is out for at least 3 months due to having nobody to cover his position. Berra got the first serious injury of his career, another hamstring as far as I remember. 

 

Uche, Berra and Naismith all came back too early from injury. By Levein's own admission, Clare was pitched in too soon. 

 

Wighton has barely been fit for any length of time since he arrived, our new goalie lasted two games. 

 

The list goes on and on and my point is nothing seems to be changing. 

 

It’s incredibly frustrating, why nothing has been done about it beggars belief.

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Captain Canada

It seems we're letting the players decide whether they can play or not. It's basic stuff. If I had a tight hamstring I wouldn't go out for a run because I wouldn't want to make it worse. 

 

In the case of Smith, he's now played with tonsillitis and a tight hamstring. We need to use the squad properly and stop putting the players' health at risk. 

 

Souttar is now so injury prone, teams will probably think twice before putting in a bid, if this hasn't happened already. 

 

Not everything is Levein's fault directly but as DoF he can make any required changes. We just seem to be coasting along putting all these instances down to bad luck, when in reality, many of them are down to poor decisions. 

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1 hour ago, Captain Canada said:

It seems we're letting the players decide whether they can play or not. It's basic stuff. If I had a tight hamstring I wouldn't go out for a run because I wouldn't want to make it worse. 

 

In the case of Smith, he's now played with tonsillitis and a tight hamstring. We need to use the squad properly and stop putting the players' health at risk. 

 

Souttar is now so injury prone, teams will probably think twice before putting in a bid, if this hasn't happened already. 

 

Not everything is Levein's fault directly but as DoF he can make any required changes. We just seem to be coasting along putting all these instances down to bad luck, when in reality, many of them are down to poor decisions. 

Most definitely.

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Captain Canada

Just read that White was taken off on Saturday because of discomfort in his hamstring too. 

 

All of these can't just be a coincidence? 

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The Treasurer

The recovery time from "minor knocks" is more of a concern.

Players pick up injuries, that's always going to happen, but we get told that a player might be out for "one or two games" only for them to be missing for months.

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MarkDevriesScores4

7 injuries in 5 matches. Only at Hearts

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Pasquale for King
1 hour ago, The Treasurer said:

The recovery time from "minor knocks" is more of a concern.

Players pick up injuries, that's always going to happen, but we get told that a player might be out for "one or two games" only for them to be missing for months.

They seem to make it up as they go along, on other occasions players come back much quicker than we’ve been told they will be out. It’s like they have no real idea what they’re doing.

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Robbo-Jambo
2 hours ago, The Treasurer said:

The recovery time from "minor knocks" is more of a concern.

Players pick up injuries, that's always going to happen, but we get told that a player might be out for "one or two games" only for them to be missing for months.

This 100 per cent

 

Souttar was touch and go for the Celtic game but a few days later he is making slow progress and sent to a specialist!! 

 

Naismith has trained all week and is fine for Saturdays game and we are struggling like hell and he gets 10 mins. He was named in the starting 11 on Saturday morning but the hamstring flares up again on that very morning after being fine all week!! 

 

These are the things we are getting told. So either players on the one hand are out for months ie Berra, Uche and they come back too soon and on the other extreme they are ruled out for a couple of weeks and are out for much longer. Wtf is that all about. 

 

Then we let our most important player, Naismith to toddle off with the Scotland squad having not played for months on end apart from 55 mins, after having 2 knee operations and now a hamstring problem which could possibly get more damage done to it playing for Scotland and see him out for another long period. 

 

IMO it should be club before country as we pay his wages. He should be at Tynecastle receiving treatment for his injury. How many players would be in the Scotland squad with his injuries over the last few months and played virtually no time with his club. 

 

Ffs players pull out the squad if they have a slight strain or knock and their club prefer them to stay at home to prevent them from getting a possible lengthy lay off playing for Scotland. 

 

Hearts and Naismith have made the wrong call here. 

 

It's club first, and country second all day long IMO. 

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MarkDevriesScores4

2017/2018 season - most injuries in the division. Bit of bad luck

 

2018/2019 season - most injuries in the division. More bad luck?

 

2019/2020 season - more injuries than the entire division combined. New coach and staff required. They’re not being trained properly

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5 minutes ago, MarkDevriesScores4 said:

2017/2018 season - most injuries in the division. Bit of bad luck

 

2018/2019 season - most injuries in the division. More bad luck?

 

2019/2020 season - more injuries than the entire division combined. New coach and staff required. They’re not being trained properly

 

Are you some sort of fitness guru/genius? 

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Coco

The head of fitness is yet another young untried unproven person in the coaching and management staff.  And the fitness and injury record since he arrived is dreadful.

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MarkDevriesScores4
58 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Are you some sort of fitness guru/genius? 

No. Didn’t claim to be.

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Tom Hardy’s Dug
On 31/08/2019 at 23:58, busby1985 said:

This may seem like pilling on but it’s relative to the thread. Jamie Brandon was told by the club doctors and his own surgeon not to take part in the Gullane Sand Dune work out. Coming back from ACL corrective surgery etc everyone thought the impact wouldn’t be ideal to someone just back from that kind of injury. Levein told Brandon that if he wanted to be part of the first team squad, he’d be there. That’s not hear say, that’s straight from the horses mouth. 

 

Uche at half time against killie in the split told Levein he felt his hammy a bit, he was sent back out for the 2nd half and he didn’t last three minutes. Mikey Smith with the same thing last week. Berra last season was miles away from being fit but was rushed back and played when he shouldn’t have. Haring in the same

situation, playing with injections etc and is now proper struggling. 

 

Wether it is bad luck or bad management (of the injuries) we obviously have problems in this department. That’s not Levein bashing or bashing the club, it’s the truth. We pick up injuries every week. That’s not normal. 

 

I think with our form there has been some desperation to get our better players on the pitch ASAP if they have been injured.

 

I kind of get that.

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Robbo-Jambo
1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Are you some sort of fitness guru/genius? 

He is obviously not, but these stats are very, very strange for one club over a short period of time. 😏

 

I mean there is bad luck and there is bad luck but that takes the biscuit. 

 

It's is beyond belief tbh. 

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Robbo-Jambo
6 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said:

 

I think with our form there has been some desperation to get our better players on the pitch ASAP if they have been injured.

 

I kind of get that.

Yeah possibly, but at the end of the day it is going to backfire on you in the long run as it already has. ☹️

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Nelly Terraces

2 things you can guarantee at Hearts:

 

1. Forward players that will never score & spend most their time legging it around outside the box chasing lost causes whilst also not having a teammate within 20 yards of them in support.

 

2. Buy players with shonky injury history or who get injured, badly treated & rushed back too quickly. That said, you'd think the way some people carry on we're the only club that ever has injuries to players. A laughable barrel scraping excuse if ever I heard one.

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King prawn
6 minutes ago, Nelly Terraces said:

2 things you can guarantee at Hearts:

 

1. Forward players that will never score & spend most their time legging it around outside the box chasing lost causes whilst also not having a teammate within 20 yards of them in support.

 

2. Buy players with shonky injury history or who get injured, badly treated & rushed back too quickly. That said, you'd think the way some people carry on we're the only club that ever has injuries to players. A laughable barrel scraping excuse if ever I heard one.

I’d like to add one more -

 

If there is a team that hasn’t won in a while and/or couldn’t buy a goal, let them play us and they’ll probably leave with a point or three. 

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OmiyaHearts
15 hours ago, Captain Canada said:

Lessons aren't being learned. The final home game of last season Uche complained of a tight hamstring at half time and was put on in the second half. He then got injured and couldn't start the cup final. 

 

Naismith has started one game and come on in another having complained of a tight hamstring.

 

Michael Smith lasted 18 minutes at Celtic Park having complained of a tight hamstring during the week. 

 

Haring is out for at least 3 months due to having nobody to cover his position. Berra got the first serious injury of his career, another hamstring as far as I remember. 

 

Uche, Berra and Naismith all came back too early from injury. By Levein's own admission, Clare was pitched in too soon. 

 

Wighton has barely been fit for any length of time since he arrived, our new goalie lasted two games. 

 

The list goes on and on and my point is nothing seems to be changing. 

 

Clare was also made to play the whole East Fife game with a hamstring injury. He asked to go off and they told him to stay on. 

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Captain Canada
11 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said:

Clare was also made to play the whole East Fife game with a hamstring injury. He asked to go off and they told him to stay on. 

I didn't know that - unreal.

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OmiyaHearts
1 minute ago, Captain Canada said:

I didn't know that - unreal.

IIRC, he picked the injury up in the first ten mins, the ref (who I know well) asked him if he should continue playing with that type of injury, as it's early in the season. Sean shrugged, nodded to the bench and said 'they wont take me off'.

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CJGJ
37 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said:

Clare was also made to play the whole East Fife game with a hamstring injury. He asked to go off and they told him to stay on. 

Utter Rubbish

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OmiyaHearts
10 minutes ago, CJGJ said:

Utter Rubbish

100% true. Told directly to me by the ref.

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CJGJ
4 minutes ago, OmiyaHearts said:

100% true. Told directly to me by the ref.

Utter Rubbish

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Captain Canada
1 hour ago, CJGJ said:

Utter Rubbish

 

Why do you say that? I don't know if it's true or not but it would be good to hear why you're saying it's rubbish. 

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OmiyaHearts
4 minutes ago, Captain Canada said:

 

Why do you say that? I don't know if it's true or not but it would be good to hear why you're saying it's rubbish. 

Not sure why he thinks I made it up. No skin off my nose.

 

I work with the lad who reffed the game and have known him for years.

 

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JamboAl
1 hour ago, OmiyaHearts said:

Not sure why he thinks I made it up. No skin off my nose.

 

I work with the lad who reffed the game and have known him for years.

 

Is that David Munro?

 

He won't have endeared himself to Hearts then.

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Seymour M Hersh
5 hours ago, Robbo-Jambo said:

He is obviously not, but these stats are very, very strange for one club over a short period of time. 😏

 

I mean there is bad luck and there is bad luck but that takes the biscuit. 

 

It's is beyond belief tbh. 

 

Two of them are Walker getting kicked and breaking his leg and Soapy turning his ankle at Aberdeen so hardly training issues. Henderson's if he's included in the tale of woe is also football related not training related.

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Seymour M Hersh
4 hours ago, Captain Canada said:

I didn't know that - unreal.

 

Probably. 

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1874robbo
4 hours ago, CJGJ said:

Utter Rubbish

Good input 

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maroonlegions

The truth be said though, i cannot remember, in  all my days following and watching the famous, the ONGOING frustrations of injuries to players.

 

I mean every season it's the same, we never seem to have a settled first 12 for any decent spells.  

 

People might bang on about a large squad but it's more about the quality and not the quantity in my books.    

 

And it's not the first time this current management have rushed back first team players and made them worst for it. 

 

Really fecking frustrating and its getting a tad fecking tediuos.

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Robbo-Jambo
22 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

Two of them are Walker getting kicked and breaking his leg and Soapy turning his ankle at Aberdeen so hardly training issues. Henderson's if he's included in the tale of woe is also football related not training related.

Didn't say it was dodgy but for one club to have helish bad luck like this for a season and a bit is beyond belief. 

 

Don't know if there is an answer apart from the law of averages giving us a ******* break. No pun intended 😏

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Captain Canada
3 hours ago, OmiyaHearts said:

Not sure why he thinks I made it up. No skin off my nose.

 

I work with the lad who reffed the game and have known him for years.

 

Cheers. I don't see any reason why he or you would want to make something like this up. 

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SomethingAboutObua

I’ve seen a couple of comments on kickback saying the injury’s are in line with the arrival of that ex West Ham Guy who’s now head of fitness/whatever his roles called. Is that true or just folk being misguided?

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7628mm
1 hour ago, maroonlegions said:

The truth be said though, i cannot remember, in  all my days following and watching the famous, the ONGOING frustrations of injuries to players.

 

I mean every season it's the same, we never seem to have a settled first 12 for any decent spells.  

 

People might bang on about a large squad but it's more about the quality and not the quantity in my books.    

 

And it's not the first time this current management have rushed back first team players and made them worst for it. 

 

Really fecking frustrating and its getting a tad fecking tediuos.

 

Regardless of injuries CL always seems to look at the opposition and picks a team to play them. Robbie was called the tinker man.

I have a feeling that it was CL that instigated this and not of Robbies making.

 

When was the last time Hearts fielded the same starting 11 in a league match? I have o

not looked into it but would suggest it will be a few seasons ago but do stand to be corrected with evidence.

 

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7628mm

Interesting later in the article regarding Periera injury.

Suffered a slight thigh strain kicking the ball late in the game with Celtic. I suppose it is all a bit new to him having to kick the ball 60+ yards all the time rather than throw/pass it to a defender within 20 yards.

 

“He’s gone from playing reserve football at Man United to being thrown into first-team training and matches in quick succession so he’s just got a little bit of a thigh strain from kicking so I’m hopeful that will settle down and he’ll be ready for Motherwell.

 

Pardon me for not believing CL with his assessment on his loan goalie.

 

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/bobby-zlamal-ready-fight-place-16863570?fbclid=IwAR3cMMm4KbqHEMjTut4ZDqyxtLv-0kJw7w0Pqj4vsio8cZvaGP4ppdaR7Gc

 

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wavydavy
On 31/08/2019 at 09:36, kingantti1874 said:

Weve got a big squad.. as long as it’s no more we will be ok

We have a big squad filled with mediocrity. We will not be ok.

 

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7628mm

Pardon the deluge but this bothered me at the time last season big time.

 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/callumn-morrison-becomes-latest-hearts-14183330

 

So young Callum had been playing for weeks with the injury but the club were managing it. What happens next? Yes you guessed it he is out for the season and off to get surgery as the managing of the issue failed. Well there is a surprise.

 

This may go some way to show how our injury woes seem to be "rather" large in number.

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Pasquale for King
25 minutes ago, 7628mm said:

Pardon the deluge but this bothered me at the time last season big time.

 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/callumn-morrison-becomes-latest-hearts-14183330

 

So young Callum had been playing for weeks with the injury but the club were managing it. What happens next? Yes you guessed it he is out for the season and off to get surgery as the managing of the issue failed. Well there is a surprise.

 

This may go some way to show how our injury woes seem to be "rather" large in number.

Add in that he was playing on Killies awful pitch and we were winning 5-1 when he got injured. Absolutely crazy.

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10 hours ago, 7628mm said:

Pardon the deluge but this bothered me at the time last season big time.

 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/callumn-morrison-becomes-latest-hearts-14183330

 

So young Callum had been playing for weeks with the injury but the club were managing it. What happens next? Yes you guessed it he is out for the season and off to get surgery as the managing of the issue failed. Well there is a surprise.

 

This may go some way to show how our injury woes seem to be "rather" large in number.

Lessons don't seemed to have been learned. 

 

Michael Smith has a tight hamstring in training and is played at Parkhead and lasts no time and makes the injury worse. 

 

He is another huge player for us and we took another risk and it backfired. 

 

Sure it was said he would only be out 10 days but he is now out of Irelands double header which is good in a way but how long is he actually going to be out for? 

 

Who knows, obviously not 10 days though. 😏

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7628mm
10 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Add in that he was playing on Killies awful pitch and we were winning 5-1 when he got injured. Absolutely crazy.

 

I must be suffering from amnesia but have no recollection of being 5-1 up last season against Kilmarnock at their place.

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