HMFC think Big - many of our fans want to remain small time

[i8hibsh]

51 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

I thought every fan wants Hearts to become bigger and win stuff?

 

Is that not what the OP is asking?

 

We all have our ideas on how we get there, but success is our goal. 

 

Sadly the big chief views success very differently.

[buzzbomb]

20 minutes ago, The White Cockade said:

the 70's

when we got crowds of as low as 3 or 4 thousand

we hardly won a game

we were skint

any decent players were sold on for peanuts

bigotry and sectarianism were rife

the Board were hated

one of the main songs on the terraces was "what a load of rubbish"

those 70's?

And were regularly pumped from hibs. Now, if he'd said the 80s..

[i8hibsh]

28 minutes ago, Noah Claypole said:

Women's Cup final to be held at Tyncastle in November.

 

That's it, we've sold our soul to the Devil.

 

 

 

At least the dot count will be easy.

[SMJ_1874]

23 minutes ago, The White Cockade said:

the 70's

when we got crowds of as low as 3 or 4 thousand

we hardly won a game

we were skint

any decent players were sold on for peanuts

bigotry and sectarianism were rife

the Board were hated

one of the main songs on the terraces was "what a load of rubbish"

those 70's?

We also threw an iron bar (rusty metal railing) from the fence at back of the shed at our chairman, when he came over to appeal to the support for calm when we were relegated in 80-81. Yeh the Halcyon days back then were great. Everything was great in the early  80’s too though! 

 

I’m sure I’ve an old Ulster flag and UJ lying gathering dust in my attic that I could bring back for nostalgic purposes. I’ve kept them just in case some of our support reverts back to type and there’s a second coming of the gorgie aggro. Bit like waiting for the fourth Reich to appear 

Edited August 29, 2019 by Saughton Jambo

[Harry Potter]

7 minutes ago, Noah Claypole said:

 

Dinosaur alert!!!

lol

[Clerry Jambo]

53 minutes ago, Hercules said:

Bit early in the day for a fishing expedition eh ?

Typic bored housewife. 

This

[ollie2004]

42 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

6th place and getting to a final isn't shocking.

 

It needs improved bit is notv"shockubg" Ffs. 

 

She does not need to think about how to achieve it (bigotry) , she is doing it. 

That is why certain folk are annoyed with her. 

 

 

She needs to get more folk on board!

Seen us lose many cup finals but nobody remembers losers!

Sixth place is not good enough and should not be. 

We should be top three or four and in Europe imo.

[Jamboscanbevicius]

1 hour ago, Longshanks said:

Everything would be fine if we actually started winning football matches.

 

This.

 

The work off the park over recent years has been excellent. It has transformed us from a Bury situation to a very firm footing with new income streams and much to be proud of. But clearly 6th place finishes are not good enough, and we must improve or make changes this season (I hope the former)!

[Bazzas right boot]

5 minutes ago, ollie2004 said:

She needs to get more folk on board!

Seen us lose many cup finals but nobody remembers losers!

Sixth place is not good enough and should not be. 

We should be top three or four and in Europe imo.

I agree, but it's not shocking. 

[FTH]

1 hour ago, Noah Claypole said:

11	Heart of Midlothian	34	13	7	14	41	40	+1	33

 

 

6	Heart of Midlothian	34	13	13	8	53	49	+4	39

 

10	Heart of Midlothian	34	12	6	16	39	50	−11	30

 

6	Heart of Midlothian	34	14	10	10	54	43	+11	38

 

 

8	Hearts	34	11	13	10	47	52	−5	35

 

 

5	Heart of Midlothian	36	13	9	14	39	45	−6	35

 

9	Heart of Midlothian (R)	36	7	13	16	49	66	−17	27

 

 

Ah yes, the halcyon days of the 70s, culminating in relegation. Was great to watch those men's men nashin around the mudbath though. It was all about winning in those days, well losing mostly but winning was the aim. A great time for Derbys as well, well not really but that's not the point.

 

Yes the 70s as a Hearts supporter where a truly memorable experience and it's time we returned to those days of unadulterated masculinity.

 

 

 

That doesn't sound all too dissimilar to what we are experiencing now, minus the "men's men nashin around the mudbath" and "unadulterated masculinity" of course.

[Boab]

8 hours ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

That’s my opinion. I think a decent portion of our fans would rather be what we were in the 70s, instead of trying to keep up with the modern game, and grow as a club.

 

Where do JKB posters stand?

 

I never had you down as someone who would come up with a ridiculous thread title and OP like that.

Sorry if that offends but the sad JKB bubble is not a decent portion of our fans.

[I.T.K]

I think out average finish since the 70's has been about 5th and 6th. 

 

 

I've not done the maths. 

[Toxteth O'Grady]

1 hour ago, Longshanks said:

Everything would be fine if we actually started winning football matches.

No more needs to be said 

[7628mm]

26 minutes ago, Noah Claypole said:

 

Dinosaur alert!!!

 

Does your comment then not tend to make you look/sound/appear like a snowflake type person?

 

On topic

 

I do think the club are looking at the bigger picture in revenue streams and other footballing activities, ladies football, but for our current owner to publicly state that HMFC want to qualify for Europe and compete/challenge in the Cups tends to show a lack of ambition for the 1st Team.

Surely we as club should always strive to WIN the league and both Cups every season? 

 

[Jamhammer]

Thinking big but currently finishing small. I think the coach succession idea is a good one. I think players playing the same way all the way from tiny tots to the first team is a good idea. However, and it's a pretty big however we are currently under performing big time. The football, at first team level is, more often than not turgid, boring and ineffective. Our results are shocking. I believe the new signings, when up to speed may make a difference and players coming back from injury will also help but I'm not convinced we have the right person in charge of the first team and, I also believe our players are confused as to what their jobs are. Whether this is because too many people are telling them what to do or they do not understand what their jobs are.

Not negative but not positive yet either. Time is not being kind to the project either. We got off to a flier but are not where I expected us to be TBH

[Montgomery Brewster]

12 minutes ago, 7628mm said:

 

Does your comment then not tend to make you look/sound/appear like a snowflake type person?

 

On topic

 

I do think the club are looking at the bigger picture in revenue streams and other footballing activities, ladies football, but for our current owner to publicly state that HMFC want to qualify for Europe and compete/challenge in the Cups tends to show a lack of ambition for the 1st Team.

Surely we as club should always strive to WIN the league and both Cups every season? 

 

Surely we as club should always strive to WIN the league and both Cups every season? 

 

Absolutely this.

[doctor jambo]

2 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

Do you mean going back to a time where it was 100% about the football? Footballers were real men, and winning was life and death?

 

It wasn't all rosey and I would take many things in the modern game but we have sky rocketed into the future at a speed so fast hardly anyone had a chance to get on board.

 

We as a fanbase and club are simply not quite ready for Ann Budge's 'modernising'. She is so out of touch to what football is at Hearts she is killing us.

 

She will not even compromise. It is her vision, her stadium, her club and her journey.

 

 

we, as a fanbase ARE ready for modernising, I suspect it is you that is out of touch with what Hearts are, and what football is.

Football has evolved, as society has evolved.

It is hardly Ann Budge's fault if you cannot cope with change.

You are being left behind,  and feel isolated- I get that.

Just let go of it and move forward

[ollie2004]

31 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

I agree, but it's not shocking. 

Are you sure?

When did we last win a league game?

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

A motherhood and apple pie thread. Only i8 sees it as something different.

[Nookie Bear]

48 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

At least the dot count will be easy.

 

We'll probably need to open the Away dugout to accommodate the fans.

[King prawn]

1 minute ago, doctor jambo said:

we, as a fanbase ARE ready for modernising, I suspect it is you that is out of touch with what Hearts are, and what football is.

Football has evolved, as society has evolved.

It is hardly Ann Budge's fault if you cannot cope with change.

You are being left behind,  and feel isolated- I get that.

Just let go of it and move forward

[Sexton Hardcastle]

It’s so hilarious to see grown men getting all upset and ranging inside that we’re moving into a new dawn and better position as a whole at the club. Men who want us to re live the ‘glory days’ of racial, sectarian and homophobic abuse. 

 

****ing hilarious. 

 

‘Fans not bans’. Beyond tragic.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Sexton Hardcastle

[maroonshrew]

2 minutes ago, Hercules said:

Unfortunately I think the OP represents a fair number of fans now. They’re like the Tartan Army. Habitual losers. No idea about football but desperate to be a part of something. Dress up for the weekend. Go to the game. Slaver through the entire game amongst the dozen or so selfies. Back to the pub with the “lads”. Two pints of real ale then home. A bloody cracking day. Got pumped off Hamilton but by god it was just great to be there.   

You got a lot from that post?! What I will say is that while the person you describe definitely exists, there are people who take seflies, only drink two pints of real ale and goes home but who knows plenty about football and wants Hearts to win just as passionately as any other fan. but for some reason, some fans have decided that's not how to support a club. 

 

It's nothing new mind you, just new sticks to beat people with. I don't drink before games or sing at them and for a long time not singing meant I couldn't possibly know football or care about the game. 

[Nookie Bear]

5 minutes ago, Hercules said:

Unfortunately I think the OP represents a fair number of fans now. They’re like the Tartan Army. Habitual losers. No idea about football but desperate to be a part of something. Dress up for the weekend. Go to the game. Slaver through the entire game amongst the dozen or so selfies. Back to the pub with the “lads”. Two pints of real ale then home. A bloody cracking day. Got pumped off Hamilton but by god it was just great to be there.   

 

Perhaps a cheeky "5-1" for the Facebook bantz?

[Spoleto]

1 hour ago, ollie2004 said:

The 1970's were shocking both on and off the park!

The past couple of years have been shocking on the park but the business side has improved on a financial basis.

Has the matchday experience improved?

Not in my opinion as the major issue affecting that still remains namely the bigot brothers and the failure of the football authorities and police to deal with them and their so called supporters.

AB is trying to eliminate that from our support but perhaps needs to think again on how to achieve that.

This

[Debut 4]

Modernisation or not, how you coach, motivate and build a team will never change. 

 

The fundamentals never change. 

Edited August 29, 2019 by Debut 4

[busby1985]

8 hours ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

That’s my opinion. I think a decent portion of our fans would rather be what we were in the 70s, instead of trying to keep up with the modern game, and grow as a club.

 

Where do JKB posters stand?

The product on the park gives you carte blanche  to do what ever you like off it, to a certain extent.

 

I was blown away by the match day experience pre match at Stenhousemuir. I stood in a que to collect my ticket and watched large groups of people all hanging and socialising on the plaza. The que in the club store was massive, the fan bar had people in it, the hospitality was busy. I couldn’t believe how far we’d come. Inside the main stand is beautiful and the pitch is top notch. I then watched us struggle to beat Stenhousemuir. Fix the product on the park and no one will give a monkeys about what we get up to off the park.

 

Most Hearts fans go to the games to see Hearts and only really care about Hearts the first team. You can call that narrow mind or accept that many football fans only care about the team on the park. When the first team doesn’t perform people moan, when the first team is miles off where it should be and has been for a number of seasons, people rebel. That’s what we are seeing here. Fickle, probably, but not unique to Hearts. 

 

 

[Sexton Hardcastle]

11 minutes ago, Hercules said:

Unfortunately I think the OP represents a fair number of fans now. They’re like the Tartan Army. Habitual losers. No idea about football but desperate to be a part of something. Dress up for the weekend. Go to the game. Slaver through the entire game amongst the dozen or so selfies. Back to the pub with the “lads”. Two pints of real ale then home. A bloody cracking day. Got pumped off Hamilton but by god it was just great to be there.   

He would be much better being one of the Hertz boys. Overpriced questionable designer clothing (flash that stone island badge), cheap watered down lager, poorly cut drugs and go with your crew and shout racial abuse at your own players.

 

Bloody lads. And then go on twitter and post silly memes about AB and like all your rangers pals tweets.

[iainmac]

1 hour ago, The Treasurer said:

Anyone who suffered through that period in our history would not want to go back there.

 

Correct. 

 

Everything was so much more masculine back then, you were more than likely to get a brick in the coupon at most away games.

 

Which would've actually taken away the pain from the actual football we were being subjected to. 

[i8hibsh]

24 minutes ago, doctor jambo said:

we, as a fanbase ARE ready for modernising, I suspect it is you that is out of touch with what Hearts are, and what football is.

Football has evolved, as society has evolved.

It is hardly Ann Budge's fault if you cannot cope with change.

You are being left behind,  and feel isolated- I get that.

Just let go of it and move forward

 

 

Provide one modernising action Budge has taken that has made us better on the football field please?

 

Nothing Ann Budge is doing is difficult.  All the give-aways, innovations and pioneering firsts are all easy.  What is hard is to modernise off the field but make a winning team on it.

 

When ‘Queen’ Ann does this I will cut her some slack and ease off.

 

All I see is a highly progressive woman trying to mould an entire community into something she and she alone can be proud of. 

 

If winning games and being a success on the pitch is not your or anyone’s top priority then sport is not for you.

 

 

[jr ewing]

When shorts were short. 

[i8hibsh]

37 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

We'll probably need to open the Away dugout to accommodate the fans.

 

 

Are the padded seats heated?

[i8hibsh]

Just now, jr ewing said:

When shorts were short. 

 

And men had beards because they were men and not just because it is trending on Facebook.

[The Treasurer]

5 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Provide one modernising action Budge has taken that has made us better on the football field please?

 

Nothing Ann Budge is doing is difficult.  All the give-aways, innovations and pioneering firsts are all easy.  What is hard is to modernise off the field but make a winning team on it.

 

When ‘Queen’ Ann does this I will cut her some slack and ease off.

 

All I see is a highly progressive woman trying to mould an entire community into something she and she alone can be proud of. 

 

If winning games and being a success on the pitch is not your or anyone’s top priority then sport is not for you.

 

 

If that's the case why has no-one done it before, and why are so few (if any) others doing anything

[3fingersreid]

Back to the seventies eh 

hard hat on , scarf tied around the wrist , flares on , practising the “ your gonna get your ****in head kicked in “ song and already in my head the “ Seith must go “ chant, 

halcyon days and nights indeed .

Mind you the wagon wheels were bigger . 

[7628mm]

28 minutes ago, Debut 4 said:

Modernisation or not, how you coach, motivate and build a team will never change. 

 

The fundamentals never change. 

 

I am not sure that your thoughts are correct but in any case it would appear that we as a club seem to be failing in the following: coaching, motivation and building a team.

This suggests we are not getting the fundamentals correct.

It matters not a jot if you have a load of good players if they are not coached, motivated and built into a good unit, you will ultimately fail to become bigger and more successful.

 

Edited August 29, 2019 by 7628mm

[OmiyaHearts]

I just want to watch a team go out on the park, play high tempo and play to win. That's the point of football, is it not?

 

If that means I'm stuck in the 70's (even though I was only born in '77) then fair enough. Others get excited about annual accounts or statements from the board. Winning matches is all I'm interested in.

[maroonshrew]

2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

And men had beards because they were men and not just because it is trending on Facebook.

 

men had beards because they were men? Thing is, I think you actually mean that. 

 

Out of interest, as a man who blow dries his hair, moisturises, earns less than his wife, enjoys shopping, has twitter and facebook, watches Ru Paul's Drag Race and drinks oat milk lattes, does this mean you don't think I am masculine or a real man?

[i8hibsh]

3 minutes ago, The Treasurer said:

If that's the case why has no-one done it before, and why are so few (if any) others doing anything

 

 

Because (perish the thought) most people give every **** about the bottom line.

 

Winning!

[i8hibsh]

Just now, maroonshrew said:

 

men had beards because they were men? Thing is, I think you actually mean that. 

 

Out of interest, as a man who blow dries his hair, moisturises, earns less than his wife, enjoys shopping, has twitter and facebook, watches Ru Paul's Drag Race and drinks oat milk lattes, does this mean you don't think I am masculine or a real man?

 

 

I would say you are just a product of your generation.

[chrisyboy7]

Everything at the club is in fantastic shape apart from the running of the first team. Why we could nit get an experienced manager in and let Levein step back upstairs I will never know. 

 

Hes running out of games and see have only just started.

 

 

[maroonshrew]

2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I would say you are just a product of your generation.

I'm nearly 40. Answer the question. 

 

edit: I will quite rightly be told this is off topic. But I am not a product of that at all I would say. Just a guy who likes what he likes. None of my friends like those things necessarily but you don't get to define what masculinity is. Just like football, it has evolved. 

Edited August 29, 2019 by maroonshrew

[Debut 4]

2 minutes ago, 7628mm said:

 

I am not sure that your thoughts are correct but in any case it would appear that we as a club seem to be failing in the following: coaching, motivation and building a team.

It matters not a jot if you have a load of good players if they are not coached, motivated and built into a good unit. You will ultimately fail to become bigger and more successful.

 

Probably worded it slightly wrong but what I meant was the fundamentals of building a good team never change,  no matter how much money or how great the club is run behind the scenes. 

 

You still need to make the right personnel choices at first team level. 

[Des Lynam]

1 hour ago, Saughton Jambo said:

We also threw an iron bar (rusty metal railing) from the fence at back of the shed at our chairman, when he came over to appeal to the support for calm when we were relegated in 80-81. Yeh the Halcyon days back then were great. Everything was great in the early  80’s too though! 

 

I’m sure I’ve an old Ulster flag and UJ lying gathering dust in my attic that I could bring back for nostalgic purposes. I’ve kept them just in case some of our support reverts back to type and there’s a second coming of the gorgie aggro. Bit like waiting for the fourth Reich to appear 

 

No chance, the Germans are shite at fighting. 

 

 

[Robbo-Jambo]

2 hours ago, The Treasurer said:

Anyone who suffered through that period in our history would not want to go back there.

Exactly. Nail on the head. 

 

 How are we meant to stay in the seventies?. 

 

Go back in time to nearly 50 years ago on Michael J Fox's machine. 

 

Course things change and modernise. All aspects of life do and we have to keep up or face being left behind. 

 

Unfortunately some people are still stuck in that era saying how great it was. 

 

It really wasn't. 

Edited August 29, 2019 by Robbo-Jambo

[i8hibsh]

Just now, maroonshrew said:

I'm nearly 40. Answer the question. 

 

 

Well I am an emotional man,. love romcoms, shave my back. file my nails, give myself pedicures, love cleaning, my favourite colour are the pastel ones and ****ing love the film Dirty Dancing.

 

What is my prize?

 

I am very masculine however and 100% feel men are being emasculated every second of the day.  If in some way we need to apologise for being a man.

 

Football today is a soft sport, played by pansies and supported by unicorns and fairies.  I’m a get hacked, get up, spit your teeth out and get on with it kinda guy.

[doctor jambo]

10 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Provide one modernising action Budge has taken that has made us better on the football field please?

 

Nothing Ann Budge is doing is difficult.  All the give-aways, innovations and pioneering firsts are all easy.  What is hard is to modernise off the field but make a winning team on it.

 

When ‘Queen’ Ann does this I will cut her some slack and ease off.

 

All I see is a highly progressive woman trying to mould an entire community into something she and she alone can be proud of. 

 

If winning games and being a success on the pitch is not your or anyone’s top priority then sport is not for you.

 

 

The innovations and giveaways are not easy, otherwise others would be doing them- living wage, charity sponsor, curbing fan behaviour.

Outside the OF we are probably the biggest offenders (maybe with Hibs too) with regards to sectarianism and general shenanigans- yet both OF have been fined and sanctioned - yet we have not.

She is pro-actively trying to protect the club from its own factions- GOOD.

Lack of progress on the field has nothing to do with any of this- the funds have been provided and the players signed, beyond what I could have hoped for.

She IS a progressive woman moulding the club FOR the community- which is pretty diverse- she is trying to make it more modern and inclusive- GOOD- we can ALL be proud of that- you should be too!

If you cannot cope with that, I would suggest modern football is not for you

[The Internet]

2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Well I am an emotional man,. love romcoms, shave my back. file my nails, give myself pedicures, love cleaning, my favourite colour are the pastel ones and ****ing love the film Dirty Dancing.

 

What is my prize?

 

I am very masculine however and 100% feel men are being emasculated every second of the day.  If in some way we need to apologise for being a man.

 

Football today is a soft sport, played by pansies and supported by unicorns and fairies.  I’m a get hacked, get up, spit your teeth out and get on with it kinda guy.

 

See when the font changes on your posts is that because you've copy and pasted it from elsewhere? 

[doctor jambo]

1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Well I am an emotional man,. love romcoms, shave my back. file my nails, give myself pedicures, love cleaning, my favourite colour are the pastel ones and ****ing love the film Dirty Dancing.

 

What is my prize?

 

I am very masculine however and 100% feel men are being emasculated every second of the day.  If in some way we need to apologise for being a man.

 

Football today is a soft sport, played by pansies and supported by unicorns and fairies.  I’m a get hacked, get up, spit your teeth out and get on with it kinda guy.

Men are not being emasculated.

We are not being threatened.

we are however being asked to behave in a reasonable manner- not batter folk, respect women, take a role in our kids lives, help shape and participate in the future and NOT wallow in the past.

Not a massive ask.

[Sexton Hardcastle]

Just now, Mauricio Pinilla said:

 

See when the font changes on your posts is that because you've copy and pasted it from elsewhere? 

****ing classic and oh so tragic.

 

Honestly that guys is the pits.