MR INCREDIBLE Posted August 12 Looking back were we to quick to dump Cathro?? He obviously had an idea of the way he wanted us to play but he never had enough quality in the team to implement his methods. Now we have quality players but have a management team with absolutely no game plan. Just putting it out there.!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteauaNeedarest Posted August 12 1 minute ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Looking back were we to quick to dump Cathro?? Absolutely not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EH11 2NL Posted August 12 Not unless we fancied another go at the Championship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingantti1874 Posted August 12 No.. disastrous confusing little human who I’ve no doubt would have had us relegated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Tolbooth Posted August 12 Another experiment gone badly wrong, I can see why he tried it though to be fair, but it had horrendous results, we rightly got rid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RudiHMFC Posted August 12 No, the only thing we didn't do that we should have is send Levein and chums off with him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boag1874 Posted August 12 Ian Cathro is part of the reason we’re in this state Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MR INCREDIBLE Posted August 12 3 minutes ago, EH11 2NL said: Not unless we fancied another go at the Championship. Listen.. I agree with your view but the way things are going that's where we could be heading anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
upgotheheads Posted August 12 He was handed a tough job with too many new players and he didn't have the personality to get them to gel. We seem to be repeating the process now in terms of players, the only difference is that nobody can accuse CL of not having personality and he will also have Naismith as a leader on the pitch (hopefully). If it doesn't work this time we're up 5h1t creek without a paddle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kila Posted August 12 While Cathro had good coaching ideas, as a manager he was nothing but a shy mumbling idiot at times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RudiHMFC Posted August 12 Just now, upgotheheads said: He was handed a tough job with too many new players and he didn't have the personality to get them to gel. We seem to be repeating the process now in terms of players, the only difference is that nobody can accuse CL of not having personality and he will also have Naismith as a leader on the pitch (hopefully). If it doesn't work this time we're up 5h1t creek without a paddle. Well it isn't working is it, Levein's record in the last 30 games or so is as bad as Cathro, relegation form. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
upgotheheads Posted August 12 Just now, RudiHMFC said: Well it isn't working is it, Levein's record in the last 30 games or so is as bad as Cathro, relegation form. Correct, I'm on Amazon right now looking at paddles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soapy Soutar Posted August 12 Just because pf the state we are in now does not mean we got rid of cathro to quick. Removing cathro was fully justified and correct just like removing levein now is justified and correct Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smith's right boot Posted August 12 Obviously a good coach. Horrific manager. Results and performances were terrible. Getting sacked after getting beat of Peterhead was the correct decision. Nothing at all to do with the current situation. If our poor form continues, CL will be sacked as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bauld Posted August 12 If he had stuck with the team he inherited he might have done better. Instead almost an entire team was signed in January and it all went to shit from there. Come the summer though it was clear this wasn't a job he could handle. He is a good coach but he is either not ready to be a manager or just doesn't have it to be one. He couldn't get his ideas across to the players. He also made the same mistake Levein is making now. Putting more value on controlling possession than attacking the goal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smith's right boot Posted August 12 5 minutes ago, upgotheheads said: He was handed a tough job with too many new players and he didn't have the personality to get them to gel. We seem to be repeating the process now in terms of players, the only difference is that nobody can accuse CL of not having personality and he will also have Naismith as a leader on the pitch (hopefully). If it doesn't work this time we're up 5h1t creek without a paddle. Tbf, iirc Cathro made all the changes. Not out of need, out of want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davie HEARTS Posted August 12 Yes. Clearly a better coach than Levein, he was forced into working with CL's players and wasnt given enough time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
To Be Frank Posted August 12 15 minutes ago, innerjambo said: This. Multiplied by a lot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mort Posted August 12 13 minutes ago, boag1874 said: Ian Cathro is part of the reason we’re in this state Who wanted Cathro? Levein. Levein's fault for Cathro and his fault for the present. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indianajones Posted August 12 (edited) Plot twist. They weren't Cathros ideas. They were Leveins all along. Edited August 12 by indianajones Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kila Posted August 12 Just now, indianajones said: Plot twist. They weren't his ideas. They were Leveins all along. There is that too - Levein's 'principles of play' might've shackled whatever ideas Cathro had Are these 'principles of play' still a thing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nookie Bear Posted August 12 8 minutes ago, upgotheheads said: He was handed a tough job with too many new players and he didn't have the personality to get them to gel. We seem to be repeating the process now in terms of players, the only difference is that nobody can accuse CL of not having personality and he will also have Naismith as a leader on the pitch (hopefully). If it doesn't work this time we're up 5h1t creek without a paddle. He was handed a team that was in the upper half of the table, decent financial backing and an excellent support structure. It was a one in a thousand chance for him and he blew it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indianajones Posted August 12 3 minutes ago, kila said: There is that too - Levein's 'principles of play' might've shackled whatever ideas Cathro had Are these 'principles of play' still a thing? I'd be extremely surprised if Hearts have a 'principle of play' at the moment. If we do, it's probably the worst footballing principle going. A throw back to the early 90s and just more evidence for Levein to get sacked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
busby1985 Posted August 12 Bring back Cathro with Locke as his Number 2, Gary Naismith as a coach, Jean Louis Valois as loan manger and Steven Boyack as chief “fill the corners” manager. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tokyo Drifter Posted August 12 29 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Looking back were we to quick to dump Cathro?? He obviously had an idea of the way he wanted us to play but he never had enough quality in the team to implement his methods. Now we have quality players but have a management team with absolutely no game plan. Just putting it out there.!!! No. He just isn't cut out to be a manager. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meestah Sahmon Posted August 12 26 minutes ago, boag1874 said: Ian Cathro is part of the reason we’re in this state The Cathro "funk" was stopped in the 17/18 season when Levein came in and he shored us up at the back making is incredibly tough to break down. Our current predicament is entirely Levein's own creation where he's been unable to stop our free fall since November last year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micole Posted August 12 33 minutes ago, EH11 2NL said: Not unless we fancied another go at the Championship. This!!, nothing more to be said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A_A wehatethehibs Posted August 12 (edited) Cathro was not cut out for management, no doubt an intelligent guy with the stats and analysis - he’s in the premier league so that tell a story. There’s not many Scottish coaches there, Kris Boyd and Stephen Craigan etc certainly will never be there But he never was and never will never be a leader or decision maker. It was a bad judgement call to hire him and his record is therefore an extended part of Leveins record - Levein was the only man on planet earth who felt it was the right appointment, and I don’t believe Hearts went through a proper recruitment process with objective criteria. Levein just went straight for his man. As a club we have not gone through a proper “Hire a manager” recruitment process in 8 years since Paulo Sergio in 2011. Edited August 12 by A_A wehatethehibs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
August Landmesser Posted August 12 This may sound crazy, but hear me out... were we too quick to dump Tommy McLean? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Des Lynam Posted August 12 40 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Looking back were we to quick to dump Cathro?? He obviously had an idea of the way he wanted us to play but he never had enough quality in the team to implement his methods. Now we have quality players but have a management team with absolutely no game plan. Just putting it out there.!!! Absolutely reeking you hibs flump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wavydavy Posted August 12 35 minutes ago, boag1874 said: Ian Cathro is part of the reason we’re in this state Who appointed him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted August 12 In terms of football he had the right idea and we did play some nice stuff, he was awful at man management and motivating us when things went pear shaped though. Hes at Wolves for a reason, clearly knows his stuff and is good at it. A risk sadly worth taking at the time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MR INCREDIBLE Posted August 12 2 minutes ago, Jeff said: In terms of football he had the right idea and we did play some nice stuff, he was awful at man management and motivating us when things went pear shaped though. Hes at Wolves for a reason, clearly knows his stuff and is good at it. A risk sadly worth taking at the time Well done Jeff. A reasonable reply. I agree his man management was poor but this might have improved. He is in the EPL while our present coaches would struggle to coach in the Sunday Churches League. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McCrae Posted August 12 43 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: Looking back were we to quick to dump Cathro?? He obviously had an idea of the way he wanted us to play but he never had enough quality in the team to implement his methods. Now we have quality players but have a management team with absolutely no game plan. Just putting it out there.!!! Dont agree. We took a gamble that Cathro could be converted from being a good coach to a good manager. It didn’t work either on the park or in his off park duties, especially how he communicated with the press. i also disagree with your statement about quality players. We have 2 problems that need to be dealt with before the transfer window closes. We need a ball winning midfield player and a new keeper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Who_put_the_ball_in... Posted August 12 Levein should have went with Cathro he never ever seems to fall on his sword Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fabienleclerq Posted August 12 Shows you what a ****ing state we are in if folk are wondering if we should've kept cathro longer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Who_put_the_ball_in... Posted August 12 2 minutes ago, McCrae said: Dont agree. We took a gamble that Cathro could be converted from being a good coach to a good manager. It didn’t work either on the park or in his off park duties, especially how he communicated with the press. i also disagree with your statement about quality players. We have 2 problems that need to be dealt with before the transfer window closes. We need a ball winning midfield player and a new keeper. 3 you forgot a new manager Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Des Lynam Posted August 12 Just now, fabienleclerq said: Shows you what a ****ing state we are in if folk are wondering if we should've kept cathro longer. Hibs troll. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fabienleclerq Posted August 12 Just now, Des Lynam said: Hibs troll. Me? Or the OP? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Des Lynam Posted August 12 Just now, fabienleclerq said: Me? Or the OP? The OP. Part of the January 2006 hibs crew. Reeking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff Posted August 12 Imagine Tziolis under a Steve Clarke style manager though! Ooft Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McCrae Posted August 12 Just now, Who_put_the_ball_in... said: 3 you forgot a new manager I am not there yet. If we plug the obvious gaps.... the news article today indicates he will I think CL can turn things around and we can have a good season. If we don’t see an improvement then he needs to go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
innerjambo Posted August 12 46 minutes ago, To Be Frank said: This. Multiplied by a lot. Have we actually agreed on something Frank? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A_A wehatethehibs Posted August 12 (edited) You have to laugh when you think how wrong that appointment was Neilsons team sitting 2nd, Johnsen showing good form, most players all working very hard, all we needed to do was basically get an experienced steady pair of hands in to take over, not make too many changes or pull up trees and we would have been 3rd or 4th Instead we hired a novice who looked to reinvent the whole team that January and we totally capitulated. Hilariously bad appointment- the exact opposite of what would have worked. Edited August 12 by A_A wehatethehibs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MR INCREDIBLE Posted August 12 8 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: The OP. Part of the January 2006 hibs crew. Reeking. You are so wrong... But not going to get into a boring I'm a bigger Jambo than you debate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davie HEARTS Posted August 12 29 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: Absolutely reeking you hibs flump! 12 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: The OP. Part of the January 2006 hibs crew. Reeking. 14 minutes ago, Des Lynam said: Hibs troll. 2 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said: You are so wrong... But not going to get into a boring I'm a bigger Jambo than you debate. Just needless. The OP is trying to create discussion and this joker just wades in with the insults. Hey Des, take a seat and keep your brains warm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
