Footballfirst Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadows Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 A somewhat strange statement , not actually saying anything . Contradicting the shirt sales for the season and the million pound cap . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamorgan Jambo Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Without having read any of the judgement my read on the statement is that Club 1872 are extremely twitchy about follow on litigation targeting them and possibly their directors. I did read that the judgement was scathing about James Blair who certainly was at one time a C1872 director - presumably based on evidence presented by SD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Glamorgan Jambo said: Without having read any of the judgement my read on the statement is that Club 1872 are extremely twitchy about follow on litigation targeting them and possibly their directors. I did read that the judgement was scathing about James Blair who certainly was at one time a C1872 director - presumably based on evidence presented by SD. Some extracts from the latest judgement about Blair. As well as being company secretary of Rangers Mr Blair was also a director of Club 1872 Ltd., a group of Rangers supporters’ groups. Club 1872 issued statements that supported the fan boycott, although Mr Blair sought to distance himself from this in evidence by saying that the statements were in fact issued on behalf of another supporters’ group called Supporters Voice Limited (of whom he was also a director). It was suggested to Mr Blair in cross examination that he had, through Club 1872, himself encouraged the fan boycott. He did not accept this. He did not accept that it was in the interest of Rangers to try and stop the fan boycott. He did accept that he had taken no steps to do so. I found Mr Blair’s evidence to be unconvincing. On 18 May Mr Blair gave that confirmation, stating that “Hummel has not been granted any of the rights set out in your email”. This was untrue. He later acknowledged in his Seventh Witness Statement that “ ... Of course Hummel did have rights to distribute, market, advertise, promote, offer for sale and/or sell the Official Kit and/or Replica Kit ...” Rangers did not, however, supply SDIR with any Replica Kit, giving unconvincing reasons, including for example Mr Blair’s assertion on 3 September 2018 that Rangers’ supplier could not make units of kit available to SDIR until such time as the Further Agreement was in place. It has now been held by Sir Ross Cranston that (as SDIR had always contended) the Further Agreement was already in place at that time. Correspondence between Mr Blair and Elite in late August shows that Mr Blair’s strategy was, in his own words, to lead SDIR a dance. I am satisfied that SDIR was not only entitled to match the rights offered to Hummel/Elite but would have done so. Those rights were not only not offered to them but Rangers, through Mr Blair, untruthfully asserted that Hummel had not been granted any Offered Rights and did not provide SDIR with a copy of the Elite/Hummel Agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, Meadows said: A somewhat strange statement , not actually saying anything . Contradicting the shirt sales for the season and the million pound cap . Club1872 is a joke of an organisation. Manipulated by Blair and King and weakened with new share issues. Absolutely brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamorgan Jambo Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Some extracts from the latest judgement about Blair. As well as being company secretary of Rangers Mr Blair was also a director of Club 1872 Ltd., a group of Rangers supporters’ groups. Club 1872 issued statements that supported the fan boycott, although Mr Blair sought to distance himself from this in evidence by saying that the statements were in fact issued on behalf of another supporters’ group called Supporters Voice Limited (of whom he was also a director). It was suggested to Mr Blair in cross examination that he had, through Club 1872, himself encouraged the fan boycott. He did not accept this. He did not accept that it was in the interest of Rangers to try and stop the fan boycott. He did accept that he had taken no steps to do so. I found Mr Blair’s evidence to be unconvincing. On 18 May Mr Blair gave that confirmation, stating that “Hummel has not been granted any of the rights set out in your email”. This was untrue. He later acknowledged in his Seventh Witness Statement that “ ... Of course Hummel did have rights to distribute, market, advertise, promote, offer for sale and/or sell the Official Kit and/or Replica Kit ...” Rangers did not, however, supply SDIR with any Replica Kit, giving unconvincing reasons, including for example Mr Blair’s assertion on 3 September 2018 that Rangers’ supplier could not make units of kit available to SDIR until such time as the Further Agreement was in place. It has now been held by Sir Ross Cranston that (as SDIR had always contended) the Further Agreement was already in place at that time. Correspondence between Mr Blair and Elite in late August shows that Mr Blair’s strategy was, in his own words, to lead SDIR a dance. I am satisfied that SDIR was not only entitled to match the rights offered to Hummel/Elite but would have done so. Those rights were not only not offered to them but Rangers, through Mr Blair, untruthfully asserted that Hummel had not been granted any Offered Rights and did not provide SDIR with a copy of the Elite/Hummel Agreement. Thanks. Won't be good for Blair as a solicitor to have that written about him in a court judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 59 minutes ago, Smithee said: Hunimpressed! A dead club and you are totally obsessed with them. Might be time you got a new tin foil hat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ǝǝɥʇᴉɯS Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, Mysterion said: Club1872 is a joke of an organisation. Manipulated by Blair and King and weakened with new share issues. Absolutely brilliant. It's a real shame in terms of football fans though, they had numbers and money and could have gone down a beneficial FoH route, but the club really took advantage of them if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ǝǝɥʇᴉɯS Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: A dead club and you are totally obsessed with them. Might be time you got a new tin foil hat. I am? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 They only have a club because Ashley pumped a £10m loan into them before King's off license putsch. No gratitude these huns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 39 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: A dead club and you are totally obsessed with them. Might be time you got a new tin foil hat. Quelle surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said: Quelle surprise Huns and Sevco plus other stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUTOL Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Forever Hearts said: A dead club and you are totally obsessed with them. Might be time you got a new tin foil hat. I thought this (latest court case) was about the new club, not the dead one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ǝǝɥʇᴉɯS Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: Huns and Sevco plus other stuff. Last time I used the word Sevco was 2016, the search function is a great thing. Not that it matters, you're basically greeting at name calling between football fans ffs! Now let's just say I was obsessed with the rangers. I'm not, but for arguments sake, let's say I was. So ******* what? What's a Hearts fan doing getting bent out of shape about it? **** the rangers, and God speed to anyone who chooses to rip the pish out them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 20 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: Huns and Sevco plus other stuff. Why do you get so upset about this? The Old club Rangers est 1872 were winning league titles while the best team in the Countries players were being massacred in France. Under David Murray, they pushed BoS to apply pressure on Hearts into selling our best players for dirt cheap. Their cheating affected us more than any other club in the SPFL. The new club, The Rangers FC 2012, deserve to be reminded that they are no longer the same club and that they bought titles they never won, for forever and a day. Never let them forget that. Hopefully they go down the tubes again so we can enjoy dancing on their graves once more. They are pure and utter scum of the earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 32 minutes ago, Cruyff Turn said: Why do you get so upset about this? The Old club Rangers est 1872 were winning league titles while the best team in the Countries players were being massacred in France. Under David Murray, they pushed BoS to apply pressure on Hearts into selling our best players for dirt cheap. Their cheating affected us more than any other club in the SPFL. The new club, The Rangers FC 2012, deserve to be reminded that they are no longer the same club and that they bought titles they never won, for forever and a day. Never let them forget that. Hopefully they go down the tubes again so we can enjoy dancing on their graves once more. They are pure and utter scum of the earth. You really think I read that? 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 49 minutes ago, Smithee said: Last time I used the word Sevco was 2016, the search function is a great thing. Not that it matters, you're basically greeting at name calling between football fans ffs! Now let's just say I was obsessed with the rangers. I'm not, but for arguments sake, let's say I was. So ******* what? What's a Hearts fan doing getting bent out of shape about it? **** the rangers, and God speed to anyone who chooses to rip the pish out them. Zzzzzzzzzz..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Just now, Forever Hearts said: You really think I read that? 😀 No I didn’t. Most hun’s are semi illiterate so would struggle to read the Daily Sport. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ǝǝɥʇᴉɯS Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: Zzzzzzzzzz..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Cruyff Turn said: No I didn’t. Most hun’s are semi illiterate so would struggle to read the Daily Sport. 😁 Huns and Sevco and scum and stuff. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth to Paisley Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) Not sure if this should be seperate thread....this https://www.accountancydaily.co/ingenious-film-scheme-ruled-tax-avoidance-appeal I understand there are a few ex Old Squirm players involved. Edited July 30, 2019 by Perth to Paisley Double post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth to Paisley Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) Double post Edited July 30, 2019 by Perth to Paisley .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 How's the cash flow situation? Posted by "Sons of Struth" (Craig Houston) on facebook earlier today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: How's the cash flow situation? Posted by "Sons of Struth" (Craig Houston) on facebook earlier today. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunoatemyhamster Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: How's the cash flow situation? Posted by "Sons of Struth" (Craig Houston) on facebook earlier today. Is this the costs for last week or the earlier hearing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, brunoatemyhamster said: Is this the costs for last week or the earlier hearing? I think it's the costs of the trial in April (it was the judgement from that trial that was published last week) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth to Paisley Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 l believe a number of Celtic players signed up for https://www.accountancydaily.co/ingenious-film-scheme-ruled-tax-avoidance-appeal on the same day they signed for the club... it's almost like they were receiving advice from their new employees... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunoatemyhamster Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: I think it's the costs of the trial in April (it was the judgement from that trial that was published last week) So there's at least another one of these to come? Thanks for the good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, brunoatemyhamster said: So there's at least another one of these to come? Thanks for the good news. Yes. The assessment of damages has yet to take place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Turn Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Footballfirst said: Yes. The assessment of damages has yet to take place. Which will be millions plus more legal costs. They’re going to have to punt Morelos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tntjambo Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 5 million is the word on the street where is Dodgy Dave going to get other peoples money for that lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, tntjambo said: 5 million is the word on the street where is Dodgy Dave going to get other peoples money for that lol Is that just for Big Mike? They are going to be sued by the other parties also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tntjambo Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 thats for Big Mike the wee tax case the other parties are the Big Tax case lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 So they are locked into SDIR for next season, have to pay compo to SDIR for this season and last season, have to also stump up for SDIR legal costs and very probably end up paying out to Hummel and Elite for loss of earnings. Beyond next season, SDIR still retain matching rights for anyone else who wants to bid for the Rangers retail deal, and you'd have to think there will not be a lonq queue of suitors after the way Rangers have conducted themselves. The fact they ended up with Hummel tells you that none of the major kit suppliers want anything to do with them, Puma washed their hands of Rangers after previous issues with SDIR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ǝǝɥʇᴉɯS Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, RobNox said: So they are locked into SDIR for next season, have to pay compo to SDIR for this season and last season, have to also stump up for SDIR legal costs and very probably end up paying out to Hummel and Elite for loss of earnings. Beyond next season, SDIR still retain matching rights for anyone else who wants to bid for the Rangers retail deal, and you'd have to think there will not be a lonq queue of suitors after the way Rangers have conducted themselves. The fact they ended up with Hummel tells you that none of the major kit suppliers want anything to do with them, Puma washed their hands of Rangers after previous issues with SDIR. Not just that, what companies are going to go to the time, effort and expense of looking into the logistics, costs, expected profits and putting together a bid, knowing that SD will then come along, match their offer and they'll get nothing for their bother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tntjambo Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 its Glib and Shameless what they are going through lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, Smithee said: Not just that, what companies are going to go to the time, effort and expense of looking into the logistics, costs, expected profits and putting together a bid, knowing that SD will then come along, match their offer and they'll get nothing for their bother? That's a good point too. It appears that Rangers could be stuck with Big Mike for as long as he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Bishop Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 7 hours ago, Footballfirst said: I think it's the costs of the trial in April (it was the judgement from that trial that was published last week) If you read the sons of struths take on it they think it’s a victory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future's Maroon Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Walter Bishop said: If you read the sons of struths take on it they think it’s a victory! They probably think the £445k is what they have to pay out in ‘damages’ to Big Mike’s company....when in reality, that one is still to come. Remember they are not the brightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl1965 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Does this not suggest £444k on account is part payment for this part of proceedings until the final bill for this stage is submitted? Not sure I understand what that means in practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Z Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 On 29/07/2019 at 12:59, Forever Hearts said: A dead club and you are totally obsessed with them. Might be time you got a new tin foil hat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 52 minutes ago, The Future's Maroon said: They probably think the £445k is what they have to pay out in ‘damages’ to Big Mike’s company....when in reality, that one is still to come. Remember they are not the brightest. Given Craig is an employee of NewCo I’d suggest he has been asked to put this info out there or he’s drawing attention/raising awareness of the first bill that King has racked up in the battle against Sports Direct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Mysterion said: Given Craig is an employee of NewCo I’d suggest he has been asked to put this info out there or he’s drawing attention/raising awareness of the first bill that King has racked up in the battle against Sports Direct. What's his job with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Forever Hearts said: What's his job with them? I think his responsibilities include security and stewarding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharmaceutical01 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: I think his responsibilities include security and stewarding. Not the cleverness to leak a document of you are involved with security 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corryjambo Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, pharmaceutical01 said: Not the cleverness to leak a document of you are involved with security 😄 Depends who authorised the "leak". Just hope it wasn't a glib and shameless leak on behalf of the board of directors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterion Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Forever Hearts said: What's his job with them? Not sure what he does. I just know he has some sort of admin/support role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllyjamboDerbyshire Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, JamboAl1965 said: Does this not suggest £444k on account is part payment for this part of proceedings until the final bill for this stage is submitted? Not sure I understand what that means in practice The bill is only in respect of the fees SDI's legal team has racked up to this point. TRFC will have their own legal bill to pay as well. As things stand, TRFC have been told by the court to go away and try to come up with an arrangement that suits SDI, ie a cash payment and the implementation of the contract. If they can't get an agreement the court will then issue the club with an injunction to pay SDI 'many millions'. If TRFC appeal the judgement they will then rack up even more legal fees, all payable by them if they lose the appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 8 hours ago, RobNox said: That's a good point too. It appears that Rangers could be stuck with Big Mike for as long as he wants. Excellent. Given the obvious spat with King I reckon this has an awful long way to run. Big Mike takes no prisoners when someone sets out to try and piss him off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mysterion said: Not sure what he does. I just know he has some sort of admin/support role. Fatty Traynors useful idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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