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Mikey1874

Draw will be here

 

 

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Morgan

It’s goiing to be number 28 versus number 14.

 

 

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Zlatanable
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Waterford away

 

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RobboM

Away to Waterford!

We're in Europe 🙂

 

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DETTY29

When are the games being played?

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Mikey1874
Posted (edited)
1 minute ago, DETTY29 said:

When are the games being played?

 

 

International break

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j1964m

Weekend of 7th September

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The Treasurer

Pity, that's an international break, could have got a decent crowd for a home tie

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North Berwick Jambo
6 minutes ago, RobboM said:

Away to Waterford!

We're in Europe 🙂

 

 

That did make me laugh 😆 

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reaths17
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since their league was formed in 1986 they havn't made the top 3 so surely got half a chance, home tie woulda been better.

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RobboM
4 minutes ago, The Treasurer said:

Pity, that's an international break, could have got a decent crowd for a home tie


What about Scotland age group call ups, aren't they likely to be same time?

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Jammy T
14 hours ago, chester copperpot said:

Went to watch this. On way home. Great result and we played some brilliant stuff at times.

 

I dunno what's happening in between the 1st team and the reserves/colts but the football seems totally different.

 

Just IMO.

 

 

 

The first team gets constantly boo’d?

 

Remember the Levein haters calling card is that Levein is all over the entire football side of the club like a dictator - so he is as responsible for this as anyone.

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Mikey1874

 

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TexasAndy

Dinnae get how he kept a straight face when announcing the draw for the Tunnocks Caramel Wafer Cup!!

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Mikey1874
Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, RobboM said:


What about Scotland age group call ups, aren't they likely to be same time?

 

The following fixtures take place over that week

 

Scotland U21s - San Marino, Croatia 

 

Nothing for the other age groups incl U19s

 

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DETTY29
19 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

 

International break

In Crete on hols.

 

Shame.

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Saint Jambo
38 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

Draw will be here

 

 

 

What a weird draw. Supposedly not seeded but 5 pots. One for the Scottish teams and one each for each of the other nations with two teams in each of those pots. This was explained by Neil Doncaster as ensuring that two 'overseas' teams from the same nation wouldn't play each other. But actually it was drawn in a way that ensured that no overseas teams could play each other (the first 8 ties were a team from an overseas pot then a Scottish team). So effectively the overseas teams were seeds. They could have done the draw far more simply with only two pots (one for overseas teams, one for Scottish teams). Along with Neil Doncaster informing us that all 10 Labrokes Premiership clubs would enter the draw at this round, the whole thing was very amateur hour.

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Tasavallan

Waterford are a team of youngsters peppered with a few older experienced players.  Lower mid-table in the Irish Premier League with a poor record this season.  The only issue for the colts should be playing away.

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Poseidon

Big love in at Ballymena on the cards?

 

Waterford for us though. Good tie for the lads but let's be crystal clear, winnable tie and a chance to pick up some glassware

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Locky

That's a fair trip! Would love to go but I've got a 30th that weekend. A good chance of getting through too.

 

Our under 21's seem to get further each year in this tourney, and we seem to out do a lot of the other colts teams. Makes it all the more laughable that they only consider the OF colt teams playing in the SPFL.

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RobboM
5 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said:

 

What a weird draw. Supposedly not seeded but 5 pots. One for the Scottish teams and one each for each of the other nations with two teams in each of those pots. This was explained by Neil Doncaster as ensuring that two 'overseas' teams from the same nation wouldn't play each other. But actually it was drawn in a way that ensured that no overseas teams could play each other (the first 8 ties were a team from an overseas pot then a Scottish team). So effectively the overseas teams were seeds. They could have done the draw far more simply with only two pots (one for overseas teams, one for Scottish teams). Along with Neil Doncaster informing us that all 10 Labrokes Premiership clubs would enter the draw at this round, the whole thing was very amateur hour.

Mostly true, but the way they did it ensured a balance of home/away ties for each of the separate "overseas" countries too. A single overseas pot wouldn't necessarily have done that

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Mikey1874
6 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said:

 

What a weird draw. Supposedly not seeded but 5 pots. One for the Scottish teams and one each for each of the other nations with two teams in each of those pots. This was explained by Neil Doncaster as ensuring that two 'overseas' teams from the same nation wouldn't play each other. But actually it was drawn in a way that ensured that no overseas teams could play each other (the first 8 ties were a team from an overseas pot then a Scottish team). So effectively the overseas teams were seeds. They could have done the draw far more simply with only two pots (one for overseas teams, one for Scottish teams). Along with Neil Doncaster informing us that all 10 Labrokes Premiership clubs would enter the draw at this round, the whole thing was very amateur hour.

 

It was 100% seeded. The strongest Scottish teams were with the other countries. 

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RobboM
19 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

The following fixtures take place over that week

 

Scotland U21s - San Marino, Croatia 

 

Nothing for the other age groups incl U19s

 

Thanks Mikey
 

I guess Zanatta, Petkov and Keena could be called up by their respective FAs too though

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Victorian

Are Waterford supporters custodians of Derry's walls or old brigade affiliates?

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londonjambo
2 minutes ago, Victorian said:

Are Waterford supporters custodians of Derry's walls or old brigade affiliates?

 

You know where Waterford is, right ?

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HMFC86

If the games the Saturday, might go over. Cheeky European trip.

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Victorian
3 minutes ago, londonjambo said:

 

You know where Waterford is, right ?

 

I do yes.   

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Mikey1874
5 minutes ago, RobboM said:

Thanks Mikey
 

I guess Zanatta, Petkov and Keena could be called up by their respective FAs too though

 

Canada play Cuba that weekend

 

Bulgaria U21s and Ireland U21s may have games. So we could be weakened a bit. 

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tcjambo
1 hour ago, Four faces said:

Aye  smartarse.They refer to first team coaching as watching the youths and first team is like two different philosophies.

How would you know Jurgen?

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Sir Gio

Crystal clear, Hearts will win this tie

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Saint Jambo

 

4 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

It was 100% seeded. The strongest Scottish teams were with the other countries. 

Not if you watch the draw. All the Scottish teams were in a single pot. Leading for example to Invernes drawing Greenock, despite being 11 and 13 in the numbering.

 

8 minutes ago, RobboM said:

Mostly true, but the way they did it ensured a balance of home/away ties for each of the separate "overseas" countries too. A single overseas pot wouldn't necessarily have done that

If that was the rationale, perhaps that is what they should have explained. Is that balance really important? I can see balancing home/away across all the overseas teams but not sure why it matters that one Welsh team is at home and the other away. Generally not a fan of overly manufactured draws.

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Dalstonjambo
Posted (edited)
44 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Going to be a good laugh when Cove Rangers go to Connah's Quay and get a win isnt it?

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Mikey1874
1 minute ago, Dalstonjambo said:

Going to be a good laugh when Cove Rangers go to Connah's Quay and get a win isnt it?

 

Tie of the round

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DETTY29
Posted (edited)
23 minutes ago, Poseidon said:

Big love in at Ballymena on the cards?

 

Waterford for us though. Good tie for the lads but let's be crystal clear, winnable tie and a chance to pick up some glassware

Our resident Melbourne Ballymenan can cinfirm, but I was sure Ballymena is where both sides tend to get on ok.

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Victorian

Kelty Hearts vs Solihull Moors.     Toughy for Kelty that one.

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John Findlay
20 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Crystal clear, Hearts will win this tie

Deary me😂

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dbusby6
27 minutes ago, RobboM said:

Image result for first world war memorial in waterford

 

For balance , they also have a poignant memorial to John Condon,  the youngest allied soldier to die in World War 1. Beautiful city Waterford. Good weekend if any jambos plan on going.

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Sir Gio
5 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Deary me😂

My mother in her Hyacinth Bucket years loved the stuff 

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John Findlay
1 hour ago, Sir Gio said:

My mother in her Hyacinth Bucket years loved the stuff 

Did she pronounce it Bouquet😂

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Tasavallan
2 hours ago, Victorian said:

Kelty Hearts vs Solihull Moors.     Toughy for Kelty that one.

Now I understand the presence of Welsh, N Irish and Irish clubs but, apart from losing out in the National League play-offs,  how does Solihull Moors qualify?  

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Mikey1874
2 minutes ago, Tasavallan said:

Now I understand the presence of Welsh, N Irish and Irish clubs but, apart from losing out in the National League play-offs,  how does Solihull Moors qualify?  

 

Must be National League position 

 

 

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Tasavallan
14 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Must be National League position 

 

 

 

I checked it out.  It is the 2 clubs that finished highest in the National League that missed out on promotion to League 2.  What threw me was Wrexham, as they are considered as English. 

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afanderson33
4 hours ago, Jammy T said:

 

The first team gets constantly boo’d?

 

Remember the Levein haters calling card is that Levein is all over the entire football side of the club like a dictator - so he is as responsible for this as anyone.

 

Anyone who watches the reserves and younger age groups knows the style of play is drastically different in the first team. Levein does not set the reserves up to play long ball to a big striker, to bypass midfield, to play containment football. I'm sympathetic to Levein's plight but he's not the one working on tactics with these young players weekly.

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RobboM
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1 hour ago, afanderson33 said:

 

Anyone who watches the reserves and younger age groups knows the style of play is drastically different in the first team. Levein does not set the reserves up to play long ball to a big striker, to bypass midfield, to play containment football. I'm sympathetic to Levein's plight but he's not the one working on tactics with these young players weekly.


My recollection though of back when the Director of Football role was first introduced and explained to us was precisely to address the above point.

The DoF would ensure consistency over time as the 1st team coach would be brought in to continue the "philosophy", signings would slot into that approach and we wouldn't end up with a change of coach resulting in wholescale personnel changes in the playing staff.

Also, the DoF would ensure consistency across the club so that a Left Back in the U17s could slot into the Reserves and a Reserves player could fit comfortably in to the 1st team understanding exactly what was expected of them and how they fit in with team mates. Nb I don't have any links back to statements at the time but it is what I understood the benefits of DoF were meant to bring.

I'd agree with you though that watching the Reserves last season and the 1st team across the same period, there does feel like a disconnect.

 

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Seymour M Hersh
4 hours ago, John Findlay said:

Deary me😂

 

I'm thinking our glass will tell. 

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John Findlay
4 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

I'm thinking our glass will tell. 

Stop it😂

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Portable Badger
26 minutes ago, RobboM said:


My recollection though of back when the Director of Football role was first introduced and explained to us was precisely to address the above point.

The DoF would ensure consistency over time as the 1st team coach would be brought in to continue the "philosophy", signings would slot into that approach and we wouldn't end up with a change of coach resulting in wholescale personnel changes in the playing staff.

Also, the DoF would ensure consistency across the club so that a Left Back in the U17s could slot into the Reserves and a Reserves player could fit comfortably in to the 1st team understanding exactly what was expected of them and how they fit in with team mates. Nb I don't have any links back to statements at the time but it is what I understood the benefits of DoF were meant to bring.

I'd agree with you though that watching the Reserves last season and the 1st team across the same period, there does feel like a disconnect.

 

Craig has been quoted saying that the Youth play the way ALL teams will play for the club BUT ,since most of the 1st team have not gone through that same coaching at our academy, when the Youth play in the 1st team the Youth will have to adapt their style to suit the senior players.  

It's about critical mass - when the majority of the 1st team have come through the academy then they will play how they have been trained through the academy.   So it will take another 2-3 years I would imagine before we see that transition in playing style.

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Kiwidoug

Would love to think there could be 200 or so Jambos there to cheer the team on.  Must be plenty of us in Ireland plus the stalwarts who will actually travel from Scotland to see it.  They are PHM and W.

 

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RobboM
2 hours ago, Portable Badger said:

Craig has been quoted saying that the Youth play the way ALL teams will play for the club BUT ,since most of the 1st team have not gone through that same coaching at our academy, when the Youth play in the 1st team the Youth will have to adapt their style to suit the senior players.  

It's about critical mass - when the majority of the 1st team have come through the academy then they will play how they have been trained through the academy.   So it will take another 2-3 years I would imagine before we see that transition in playing style.


Thanks Badger

Thing is to me it sounds like a Catch 22. Academy players coming through do so (often) for reasons of short term expediency, have to play in a different style, struggle to adapt and are discarded as not up to scratch. Meanwhile journeymen pro players fill the ranks of the 1st team blocking opportunities and that critical mass always remains on the horizon 2-3 years away.

 

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