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Hungry hippo
4 minutes ago, Tennant's 6's said:

You're not the first person to say that. Really annoying. 

Some of these guys deserve some game time in the first team, could give the team a lift.

As well as the new signings :whistling:

 

The thing I would add is that Zanatta, Keena, Burns, Henderson and McDonald have already played a bit in the first team this season and found it tough like their more senior teammates.

 

I'm not at all saying that they don't deserve more chances but just highlighting the difficulties of stepping up and in particular dealing with the massive increase in expectations.

 

For example, Henderson was brilliant in the last round of this competition and is already being written off by many on here after his subsequent disappointing substitute appearance at the weekend.

 

Great result and always happy for a player like Keena to get another goal. Also good to hear Cochrane had a better game. He is a class act and needs to rebuild after all the injuries last season.

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Byyy The Light
56 minutes ago, Captain Canada said:

Zanatta and Keena deserve a run of starts in the first team. MacLean did very little last season but played game after game. At least they're in form unlike Washington and Uche. Hard to see how they could do worse than not scoring at all! 

 

Jesus, give Washington a chance. 15 mins against Aberdeen and a start on Saturday and he’s getting written off.

 

 

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Coburg Hearts
29 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said:

Off Keena's shoulder in a 3-4-3 I'd say with McDonald a little deeper and wider as the other man in the 3.

 

Bit harsh I'd say. Thrown on into a team that was putting in a horrible performance. But I think the lesson from that is that posters should maybe be less sure that Zanatta, Keena and others would be quick solutions to the first team rather than that Levein got it wrong with who he promoted at the weekend. Really tiring that a good win by the youth team is turned into another thread to whinge a about the first team and management.  Wouldn't it be nice if this thread could just enjoy a good performance and victory.

 

 

Amen!

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RobboM
5 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said:

Did many people turn up?

Couldn't put a figure to it just something along the lines of "Decent turn out, felt busy enough"

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Zlatanable
2 hours ago, Portable Badger said:

Wafers will melt!!!

 

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chester copperpot
10 minutes ago, PTBCAL said:

Don’t think Zanatta or Keena are good enough tbh

 

However I hope Macdonald and Irving get game time this season  

 

 

I'd like Keena to get way more time.

 

The rest of your post I am still undecided  

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Coburg Hearts
11 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said:

 

Jesus, give Washington a chance. 15 mins against Aberdeen and a start on Saturday and he’s getting written off.

 

 

Amen again.

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Zlatanable

big result for Formartine. 

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RenfrewHearts
18 minutes ago, Hungry hippo said:

 

The thing I would add is that Zanatta, Keena, Burns, Henderson and McDonald have already played a bit in the first team this season and found it tough like their more senior teammates.

 

I'm not at all saying that they don't deserve more chances but just highlighting the difficulties of stepping up and in particular dealing with the massive increase in expectations.

 

For example, Henderson was brilliant in the last round of this competition and is already being written off by many on here after his subsequent disappointing substitute appearance at the weekend.

 

Great result and always happy for a player like Keena to get another goal. Also good to hear Cochrane had a better game. He is a class act and needs to rebuild after all the injuries last season.

Agreed regards Cochrane. These games are ideal for the youngsters atm in terms of building some confidence at a more senior level. 

 

The number of folk talking about Cochrane’s goal against Celtic as if it’s the only thing he did. He was outstanding in several games and also well above par in many others at 16 years old. To write him off after a tough season and a month into the next is, quite frankly, ridiculous.

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Alan_R

What's the story about Danny baur? Was he notbloamed to bonnyrigg at one point and suggestions were he might be out the door?

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SUTOL
2 minutes ago, Alan_R said:

What's the story about Danny baur? Was he notbloamed to bonnyrigg at one point and suggestions were he might be out the door?

 

He is on loan at Bonnyrigg, but can still play the reserves and/or colts. 

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Portable Badger
33 minutes ago, RobboM said:

Couldn't put a figure to it just something along the lines of "Decent turn out, felt busy enough"

BBC saying 326 attendance tonight 

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Ronald Villiers
25 minutes ago, chester copperpot said:

 

 

I'd like Keena to get way more time.

 

The rest of your post I am still undecided  

I thought Keena was good but Zanatta was exceptional in the second half tonight.   His pace, skill and awareness was excellent.  I was fearing that he may be on his way out having failed to make his mark in the first team over the past few seasons.  If he could reproduce this form he would be in with a shout every week, however, he drifted in and out of the game first half.  Inconsistency is his enemy.  

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Portable Badger
34 minutes ago, Zlatanable said:

 

Feckers had better left one for me !!

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Naisysback
45 minutes ago, Saint Jambo said:

Overall I thought it was a good performance. The lads played nice possession, passing football on a better surface and in much better weather conditions than last week. I thought there were less standout and below par performances than last week with generally above average across the board.

 

Stone - Good handling. Hesitant in coming for balls a few times in the first half but got away with it. Unfortunate not to get a clean sheet.

Petkov - Solid performance. None of the defenders massively tested. Confident with ball at his feet.

Hamilton - Strong performance. Looks the best of the centre backs despite looking tiny in comparison to Petkov and Baur.

Baur - Better today. A few shaky moments but put under less pressure and a bit more composed with ball and his feet. Good finish with his head for goal.

Logan - I like him. A bit quiet at times and needed to he demanding the ball more but caused them a lot of problems.

Burns - Playing on left side and did well. No issue with speaking up to demand the ball. Nice and confident. Hard in the tackle too.

Cochrane - Much better tonight. More like his old self. Cool on the ball and keeping play ticking over. Happy to step forward with ball at his feet when opportunity arose.

Ritche - A fairly quiet game. Didn't really notice him but nothing particularly bad either.

McDonald - Worked hard and did well even if nothing quite came off.

Zanatta - Played well. Constant menace running at and beyond the Beath defence. Looking for opportunities to play on others or take a shot.

Keena - Looked like being a frustrating night until Beath went down to 10men. Worked hard and created opportunities for himself. Sometimes a little greedy. Poor penalty but then good finish for the goal.

Think ur analysis of some of the players off the mark.

 

McDonald had 2 great saves from keeper, an onside goal disallowed and 2 assists and u say worked hard but nothing quite came off.

 Bauer was excellent from the 1st whistle. Stepped forward with the ball, won headers and was physically strong, a commanding performance from him.

Ritchie did the dirty work very well tonight, won the ball and moved it on, always an out when needed, kept it simple.

Zanatta a bit like Keena in decision making, too eager to score goals when people in better positions.strong running and his physicality was excellent 

Keena needs to lift his head and know whats around him, 4 or 5 times tonight he is trying to beat 3 players when others in yards of space, he would get more goals if he used the ball better.

Harry an excellent 2nd half, as did whole team, he found good positions to dictate the game  passing was excellent 

Burns  best i have seen him, worked tirelessly up and down, always offering for the ball.

 

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Saint Jambo

One for some of those at the game. Did anyone else enjoy Burns' Alan Partridge impression in the first half?

 

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Tommy Walker
2 hours ago, Kiwidoug said:

Got me there.

When I was at Edinburgh Uni 69-73 Moray House was a teacher's college - no ?

 

Best

 

TW

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Mikey1874

Thanks for the updates.

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To Be Frank
1 hour ago, Icon of Symmetry said:

 

Great night’s football. The turtle has obviously started to get the upper hand in the battle with the spider beneath the dark tower.

 

Preach It brother 👍🏻

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Footballfirst
Posted (edited)

On performances: 

Stone's handling was excellent, but still seemed a bit nervous with his defence. The coaches were encouraging him to communicate more. Was lucky when Cowden's goal was chalked off.

Logan basically had a free pass to get up the park in an attacking sense and made the most of it.

Petkov decent performance with no great highlights or errors

Hamilton was the best of the defenders, who all played pretty well. He reads the game so well and gets in the right place at the right time.   

Baur had his best game for a while, didn't dive into challenges and won most of his tackles. His headed goal was a collectors item and his team mates celebrations seemed to echo it.

Ritchie was quietly efficient and effective. He was caught on his heels a couple of times but generally payed well. Sat a bit too deep in the first half for my liking.

Burns put in a good shift working had to win tackles and headers. Was unlucky not to score early on with a great strike from teh edge of the box.

Cochrane had a disappointing first half although he was caught by a couple of hard tackles. Came onto a game once Cowden went down to 10 men and he was able to start making telling forward passes without being under pressure. One pass inside the fullback to Logan was in the Scott Allen class.:whistling:

McDonald always carried Hearts greatest threat. Tidy on the ball, but tended to want to keep on dribbling rather than take on an early shot.

Keena always willing to put in the runs and make himself available, but not really his night with his first touch not being the best. His penalty summed up his night, well struck, but no finesse or confidence to put it away from the keeper.

Zanatta always a threat with his pace and running and got better as the game went on. Also guilty of taking a couple of touches too many when a shot was on.   

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Kiwidoug
47 minutes ago, Tommy Walker said:

When I was at Edinburgh Uni 69-73 Moray House was a teacher's college - no ?

 

Best

 

TW

Yes.  It was called Moray House Demonstration School until 1963 and was an adjunct to the training college.  It closed that year and I spent my 4th year of secondary Education at the Darroch Acedemy for the Sons of Gentlefolk in the company if JTF Robertson amongst other stalwart Jambos.

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Randy Marsh

Draw is 12.30 tomorrow.  Hope we can go far in this.  Kelty Hearts would be a cool draw.

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Kiwidoug
1 hour ago, Kiwidoug said:

Hearts through, Kelty Hearts through and Celtic put of two cups on the same night.

 

My mood has brightened considerably.

And of course Hearts U11s beating Hibs 8-1. How could I have left that out.  

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Funtime Jambo
53 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

On performances: 

Stone's handling was excellent, but still seemed a bit nervous with his defence. The coaches were encouraging him to communicate more. Was lucky when Cowden's goal was chalked off.

Logan basically had a free pass to get up the park in an attacking sense and made the most of it.

Petkov decent performance with no great highlights or errors

Hamilton was the best of the defenders, who all played pretty well. He reads the game so well and gets in the right place at the right time.   

Baur had his best game for a while, didn't dive into challenges and won most of his tackles. His headed goal was a collectors item and his team mates celebrations seemed to echo it.

Ritchie was quietly efficient and effective. He was caught on his heels a couple of times but generally payed well. Sat a bit too deep in the first half for my liking.

Burns put in a good shift working had to win tackles and headers. Was unlucky not to score early on with a great strike from teh edge of the box.

Cochrane had a disappointing first half although he was caught by a couple of hard tackles. Came onto a game once Cowden went down to 10 men and he was able to start making telling forward passes without being under pressure. One pass inside the fullback to Logan was in the Scott Allen class.:whistling:

McDonald always carried Hearts greatest threat. Tidy on the ball, but tended to want to keep on dribbling rather than take on an early shot.

Keena always willing to put in the runs and make himself available, but not really his night with his first touch not being the best. His penalty summed up his night, well struck, but no finesse or confidence to put it away from the keeper.

Zanatta always a threat with his pace and running and got better as the game went on. Also guilty of taking a couple of touches too many when a shot was on.   

Well done lads you won great team performance :2thumbsup:..

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RobNox
1 hour ago, Footballfirst said:

On performances: 

Stone's handling was excellent, but still seemed a bit nervous with his defence. The coaches were encouraging him to communicate more. Was lucky when Cowden's goal was chalked off.

Logan basically had a free pass to get up the park in an attacking sense and made the most of it.

Petkov decent performance with no great highlights or errors

Hamilton was the best of the defenders, who all played pretty well. He reads the game so well and gets in the right place at the right time.   

Baur had his best game for a while, didn't dive into challenges and won most of his tackles. His headed goal was a collectors item and his team mates celebrations seemed to echo it.

Ritchie was quietly efficient and effective. He was caught on his heels a couple of times but generally payed well. Sat a bit too deep in the first half for my liking.

Burns put in a good shift working had to win tackles and headers. Was unlucky not to score early on with a great strike from teh edge of the box.

Cochrane had a disappointing first half although he was caught by a couple of hard tackles. Came onto a game once Cowden went down to 10 men and he was able to start making telling forward passes without being under pressure. One pass inside the fullback to Logan was in the Scott Allen class.:whistling:

McDonald always carried Hearts greatest threat. Tidy on the ball, but tended to want to keep on dribbling rather than take on an early shot.

Keena always willing to put in the runs and make himself available, but not really his night with his first touch not being the best. His penalty summed up his night, well struck, but no finesse or confidence to put it away from the keeper.

Zanatta always a threat with his pace and running and got better as the game went on. Also guilty of taking a couple of touches too many when a shot was on.   

 

Great summary FF, thanks as always.

 

What is your take on Hamilton's prospects?  He's not the biggest for a CH, especially when you see him alongside Baur and Petkov, who are both big units.

 

Do you think he can make it as a top CH based on his footballing attributes, or is he someone who might blossom into a good holding midfielder in time?  You point out his good positional sense and reading of the game, just wonder if he might eventually make a very good 'quarterback', sitting in front of the defense.

 

 

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Big Moysey
9 hours ago, Saint Jambo said:

One for some of those at the game. Did anyone else enjoy Burns' Alan Partridge impression in the first half?

 

🤣🤣 Brilliant 👏👏👏

Bobby would piss himself laughing if he saw that. Best of it was Danny got annoyed at him????

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David McCaig
6 hours ago, RobNox said:

 

Great summary FF, thanks as always.

 

What is your take on Hamilton's prospects?  He's not the biggest for a CH, especially when you see him alongside Baur and Petkov, who are both big units.

 

Do you think he can make it as a top CH based on his footballing attributes, or is he someone who might blossom into a good holding midfielder in time?  You point out his good positional sense and reading of the game, just wonder if he might eventually make a very good 'quarterback', sitting in front of the defense.

 

 

I'm presuming the time has passed for Hamilton to have any late growth spurt?

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Big Moysey

Once again their Hibs loanee keeper Dabrowski kept the score down. Could easily have scored 6 if not for him. Pleasing to see Cochrane have a better second half although they seemed to give us more room. The boys moved the ball quickly and we'll in second half that caused that. As been said Zanatta and Keena look sharp, direct and exciting at this level. It's making the step up that's difficult.

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SUTOL
32 minutes ago, David McCaig said:

I'm presuming the time has passed for Hamilton to have any late growth spurt?

 

Unlikely, none of his parents/grandparents are much if any taller. 

 

 

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damo

That looked like a similar Cowdenbeath team to the one that played our 1st team a few weeks back so would seem a very impressive result. Be a close game between the Hearts colts and 1st team right now !. 😁

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RobNox
7 minutes ago, damo said:

That looked like a similar Cowdenbeath team to the one that played our 1st team a few weeks back so would seem a very impressive result. Be a close game between the Hearts colts and 1st team right now !. 😁

 

Yeah, I reckon our first team could just about give the colts a run for their money :)

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richiehmfc
10 hours ago, Naisysback said:

Think ur analysis of some of the players off the mark.

 

McDonald had 2 great saves from keeper, an onside goal disallowed and 2 assists and u say worked hard but nothing quite came off.

 Bauer was excellent from the 1st whistle. Stepped forward with the ball, won headers and was physically strong, a commanding performance from him.

Ritchie did the dirty work very well tonight, won the ball and moved it on, always an out when needed, kept it simple.

Zanatta a bit like Keena in decision making, too eager to score goals when people in better positions.strong running and his physicality was excellent 

Keena needs to lift his head and know whats around him, 4 or 5 times tonight he is trying to beat 3 players when others in yards of space, he would get more goals if he used the ball better.

Harry an excellent 2nd half, as did whole team, he found good positions to dictate the game  passing was excellent 

Burns  best i have seen him, worked tirelessly up and down, always offering for the ball.

 

I really enjoyed last night, i thought we were good especially 2nd half. Cochrane started running the game 2nd half and Zanatta really gave their defenders problems. His turns and running at defenders created alot of trouble. 
Mcdonald is such a good football player, his flick pass to assist Keena's goal was a beauty. I would love to see him continuing to progress and make a mark in the first team. Really good to watch when on his game

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EIEIO
22 minutes ago, richiehmfc said:

I really enjoyed last night, i thought we were good especially 2nd half. Cochrane started running the game 2nd half and Zanatta really gave their defenders problems. His turns and running at defenders created alot of trouble. 
Mcdonald is such a good football player, his flick pass to assist Keena's goal was a beauty. I would love to see him continuing to progress and make a mark in the first team. Really good to watch when on his game

Spoke to a couple of guys last night who'd also been to the last round in Coatbridge, they thought that the superior playing surface at Prestonfield suited our passing game far more.

For me the Colts seemed to have a bit more pace and incisiveness about their attacking and passing than the first team.

Basically the Cowdenbeath keeper saved them from a thrashing.

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Footballfirst
8 hours ago, RobNox said:

 

Great summary FF, thanks as always.

 

What is your take on Hamilton's prospects?  He's not the biggest for a CH, especially when you see him alongside Baur and Petkov, who are both big units.

 

Do you think he can make it as a top CH based on his footballing attributes, or is he someone who might blossom into a good holding midfielder in time?  You point out his good positional sense and reading of the game, just wonder if he might eventually make a very good 'quarterback', sitting in front of the defense.

 

I would doubt if he will make any substantial growth spurt. I've spoken to his dad and grandmother on several occasions and they are not the tallest.  Despite his size, he still has a good vertical jump and remains decent in the air.

 

So the question is how to accommodate him. I'd like to see him tried as a holding midfielder, even if it means sending him on loan to learn the role. The alternative would be to shape the side around him, playing him as a libero (sweeper), with the the freedom to work behind or in front of the central defenders.  I can't see Craig Levein experimenting in that way though, without the assurance that it would work.  I'm sure he could play alongside Halkett as long as Halkett was instructed that every high ball was his to attack with Hamilton covering in behind. 

 

He actually played as a striker in youth football before he came to Hearts, but was reasonably tall compared to his peers in his early years so the coaches adapted him to play at the back.  I've seen him score goals playing up front and from midfield in odd academy games.

 

I guess I'm saying that he would potentially be a sad loss to the club if we could't find a role for him in the first team over the next couple of years.

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allanwilson1970

Probably the best I have seen our Colts play, totally dominated the game.  I thought the shape of our back 3 and midfield 4 was set up perfectly to allow Zanatta and McDonald the freedom to express themselves knowing that if they lost the ball we had them covered. I think we must have had around 300 passes in the game and barely any aimless long punts. If Levein was there this must have given him some food for thought as we were so dominate and especially in the final third.  Seems Kirk and Rankin are doing something right as the setup was spot on and the boys executed it to perfection.  

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Footballfirst

The third round draw is at 12.30 today.

 

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RobboM
6 minutes ago, allanwilson1970 said:

Probably the best I have seen our Colts play, totally dominated the game.  I thought the shape of our back 3 and midfield 4 was set up perfectly to allow Zanatta and McDonald the freedom to express themselves knowing that if they lost the ball we had them covered. I think we must have had around 300 passes in the game and barely any aimless long punts. If Levein was there this must have given him some food for thought as we were so dominate and especially in the final third.  Seems Kirk and Rankin are doing something right as the setup was spot on and the boys executed it to perfection.  


He was there, seen him early pre match. He was often at the Reserve fixtures last season too

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richiehmfc
5 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

The third round draw is at 12.30 today.

 

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Is it just an open draw? no seeding?

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Posted (edited)

If its 1-16 in one pot and 17-32 in the other then it is pretty much seeded. 

 

And 50% chance of cross border match. 

Edited by Mikey1874

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Gilberts Fridge

Surely there is a mistake with the clubs listed.

 

Where is the conveyor belt of talent and all round savoir of Scottish Football that is hibs colts

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Locky
18 hours ago, richiehmfc said:

I agree, Prestonfield is a bit of a shitehole . I'm going to go regardless though

Wasn't knocking the place at all mate, I've never been, I just haven't noticed us playing games out there before so thought it was a bit random tbh.

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tcjambo
3 minutes ago, Gilberts Fridge said:

Surely there is a mistake with the clubs listed.

 

Where is the conveyor belt of talent and all round savoir of Scottish Football that is hibs colts

The coaching must be really sh*te at Hearts. the geniuses on here keep telling us so.

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Four faces
31 minutes ago, tcjambo said:

The coaching must be really sh*te at Hearts. the geniuses on here keep telling us so.

Aye  smartarse.They refer to first team coaching as watching the youths and first team is like two different philosophies.

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Thought Police

Connah’s Quay at home please, show Killie what’s what

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amadjambo
13 hours ago, chester copperpot said:

 

 

I'd like Keena to get way more time.

 

The rest of your post I am still undecided  

I’d love to see Zanatta get an opportunity in a centra attacking role for the first team. Every time he gets a game it’s always on the wing and he doesn’t look comfortable there. He’s got good pace and height, and has scored goals when on loan or playing for the U21’s.

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amadjambo
1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

I’d be well up for an away trip to Wrexham.

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