upgotheheads Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 hours ago, BRY said: Good luck to him in the future. Shame it never worked out here, but probably the best outcome for all at this stage. I agree. Pity that some of the posters on Kickback take delight in kicking a man when he's down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: Aye. The reason being he was utter shite. You need to throw in a wee ‘lazy French’ comment here, Jonno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Old Castle Rock said: He must be our most expensive signing ever and luckiest to make so much money without kicking a ball He’s been signed for free on a modest wage. Think you need to have a wee look back at the Romanov and Robinson periods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Just now, jonnothejambo said: I'll pass on that, mon ami. Don't want any infractions. Better safe than sorry eh? Good move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: when a Boro fan bursts out laughing then you know the game's up the pole. Worth noting they were at there lowest ebb of recent times at that time (bottom of the championship). He did not me the good free kick he scored for them, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambo85 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Lesson hopefully learned. Dishing out 3.5 year deals are crazy unless you are certain they are going to do a job for you. I know he was a Cathro signing but Levein as Director of Football must have sanctuned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, upgotheheads said: I agree. Pity that some of the posters on Kickback take delight in kicking a man when he's down. Why would he be down? He conned his way into a 3.5 year deal on very good money. It’s not as if he’s just been made redundant from Scotmid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: He's earned a lot of money for sitting on his Jimmy Carter. Surprised the twat didn't don a yellow jacket like the other lazy fuds from that part of the world. He should work for French Air Traffic Control who seem to spend a fair whack of their time pissing people off by doing feck all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, Morgan said: You need to throw in a wee lazy French’ comment here, Jonno. 1 minute ago, jonnothejambo said: He's earned a lot of money for sitting on his Jimmy Carter. Surprised the twat didn't don a yellow jacket like the other lazy fuds from that part of the world. He should work for French Air Traffic Control who seem to spend a fair whack of their time pissing people off by doing feck all. Boooom!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: He’s been signed for free on a modest wage. Think you need to have a wee look back at the Romanov and Robinson periods. If you look back to the other threads you will see we gave him as much as we could at 3.5 years to beat off competition offering him 2.5 years. Modest wage Vlad terms correct, this day I wouldn’t say so regardless of you trying to belittle how much of a disaster the signing was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEARTS FOREVER Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Yeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) Wish him no ill will at all. Actually a classy goodbye post on Instagram. Edited June 7, 2019 by Phil Dunphy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, Inch Hearts said: If you look back to the other threads you will see we gave him as much as we could at 3.5 years to beat off competition offering him 2.5 years. Modest wage Vlad terms correct, this day I wouldn’t say so regardless of you trying to belittle how much of a disaster the signing was. As much as our wage structure would allow i.e. a modest wage. Zero transfer fee. Compare that to Romanov or Robinson signings where we paid a fee and much higher weekly wage and it is obvious that Martin is nowhere near our most expensive flop. Which part did you disagree with or not understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: As much as our wage structure would allow i.e. a modest wage. Zero transfer fee. Compare that to Romanov or Robinson signings where we paid a fee and much higher weekly wage and it is obvious that Martin is nowhere near our most expensive flop. Which part did you disagree with or not understand? A an extremely modest wage would be Mr Cletus signing for the future. A modest wage these days is the best we can afford is Naismith and Berra, modest, these days would be a wage spunked on Martin. Who’s comparing Romanov or Pie mans? We wasted a good wage under what we can afford on a complete dud! As we did Osh and Sammon to name the higher profile wage spunkers during this era. It doesn’t matter if modest now means Shan compared with Janny or Takis. Edited June 7, 2019 by Inch Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Elwood P Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Just now, Inch Hearts said: A an extremely modest wage would be Mr Cletus signing for the future. A modest wage these days is the best we can afford is Naismith and Berra, modest, these days would be a wage spunked on Martin. Who’s comparing Romanov or Pie mans? We wasted a good wage under what we can afford on a complete dud! As we did Osh and Sammon to name the higher profile wage spunkers during this era. It doesn’t matter if modest now means Shan compared with Janny or Takis. You need to go back and read the message I was replying to properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inch Hearts Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said: You need to go back and read the message I was replying to properly. Yeah good point ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Once more Sports fans, the moment MM made his mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunphy Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 25 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: Good for him. Probably spent the last 18 months composing it. Someone else's problem now. If anyone will have him. I don't wish him Ill, but feck me surely he could have done more to try and get a loan deal before he flopped in Fife. A footballer wants to play, not just train and be a good lad. And of course the club are culpable. But so is he. Do you have insider knowledge about how hard he tried to get a move elsewhere? Extremely hard to market a footballer who doesn’t play, I’d imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Once more Sports fans, the moment MM made his mark Thanks you, Captain Long John Silver. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Jamboscanbevicius said: Glad he’s gone, but it’s difficult to blame him. He signed and played, then wasn’t fancied after Cathro left. Can’t blame him for taking a wage! Will be interesting to see if he can make anything of himself elsewhere. Like Oshaniwa, it’s just difficult to imagine him doing well at any decent level. It was more the length of contract he was signed on that surprised me. Every player is a risk as you never know if they are going to settle etc but he just never really got a chance under CL. At least that is a bit more cash freed up for the transfer pot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Lambo85 said: Lesson hopefully learned. Dishing out 3.5 year deals are crazy unless you are certain they are going to do a job for you. I know he was a Cathro signing but Levein as Director of Football must have sanctuned it. Surpised JamboAl hasn't been on your case about the highlighted comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watt-Zeefuik Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Nothing against Martin himself as he took a job and it didn't work out but thank f--- he's gone. What a disaster of a signing -- utterly typical of the Cathro era. Having him gone is like a new signing itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peebo Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 48 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: Good for him. Probably spent the last 18 months composing it. Someone else's problem now. If anyone will have him. I don't wish him Ill, but feck me surely he could have done more to try and get a loan deal before he flopped in Fife. A footballer wants to play, not just train and be a good lad. And of course the club are culpable. But so is he. There have been five transfer windows since Levein took over. He almost left in the first one (and Levein only took over a few days before that ended). Also almost left in the second one, and he had been out injured for months leading up to it. In the third, he went on loan. In the fourth, he agreed to shorten the length of his contract in order to facilitate a move which subsequently fell through. In the fifth window (this one), he has agreed to terminate his contract early. In the meantime, Levein has confirmed there have been no issues with his application etc., and he seems to be liked by his teammates (which doesn’t indicate he has not been putting in the effort). In what way do you think he could have done more? Genuine question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted June 7, 2019 Author Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, wavydavy said: Surpised JamboAl hasn't been on your case about the highlighted comment. Sometimes when the same old pish keeps coming round and round again you just get tired answering them. He's obviously never been a manager in his life or he would know that you have to give your under managers their heads from time to time or you'd be just as well doing everything yourself, assuming that was even possible. Edited June 7, 2019 by JamboAl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Muddie Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Time for a celebratory cuppa. I'm not happy because I hate the guy or anything, it's more that I'm happy when any non-contributor GsTF and enables us to better utilise our budgets on players capable of playing for the first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 5 hours ago, PB21 said: Probably head back to Norweigan league or such and make impact, the pace will suit him. Skillful players dont have to be as fit as us Scottish people. Not saying he's that good, but some Brazilians spring to mind that didn't mind a fag before kick off....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, JamboAl said: Sometimes when the same old pish keeps coming round and round again you just get tired answering them. He's obviously never been a manager in his life or he would know that you have to give your under managers their heads from time to time or you'd be just as well doing everything yourself, assuming that was even possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WageThief Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Global warming is really going crazy - i cant remember christmas ever being so hot before! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 3 hours ago, graygo said: What is this pretty sizeable wage? 12k a month I’d heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamboscanbevicius Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, wavydavy said: It was more the length of contract he was signed on that surprised me. Every player is a risk as you never know if they are going to settle etc but he just never really got a chance under CL. At least that is a bit more cash freed up for the transfer pot. In hindsight yes. But he was Cathro’s signing and arrived early in his reign, so I suppose at that point we were expecting IC to be in charge for a few years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Whatever said: 12k a month I’d heard. Nearer to £4k a month. You can tell folk you heard that as well now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 35 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: I will be honest, Phil. I have no inside knowledge on this particular matter. Just a gut feeling which is probably way off the mark. I'm old school in many ways. Work hard and hopefully reap the rewards and it annoys me that it has taken this length of time to get rid of him. I am not thick and I realise the club fecked this up big time but I'm not convinced that he could not have insisted on a loan deal, even at a much lower level, to actually play and get paid for what he is meant to do which is playing football. Put himself in the shop window. Let's see where he ends up. He was on loan at Dunfermline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Hearts Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 24 minutes ago, graygo said: Nearer to £4k a month. You can tell folk you heard that as well now. Absolutely no chance was he only on £4k a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Forever Hearts said: Absolutely no chance was he only on £4k a month. Our average salary when he signed was around £7k a month and Malaury Martin struck a deal way under that on the condition that he got a 3 1/2 year deal. Unless you know better mate. Edited June 7, 2019 by graygo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marsh Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Meadows said: Oshiniwa sammon Hollis Hassanoui Anderson Dauda Watt Nowak Sowah Struna Swanson Tzolis Glad we are careful with Foh monies . Yeah I'm sure Hollis, Anderson, Nowak and Swanson were on huge wages right enough. P.S. Thought Dauda was alright actually. Bit harsh on him. Probably a 15 goal a season striker had he been here long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadows Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Even if they were on roughly £2k per week , not including signing on fees, pension or employers tax / ni we’ve still blown a helluva lot on duds . Vanacek could very well be the next one ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portable Badger Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 There is a God after all !!!!! Hallelujah and good luck son. Feels like a millstone has been lifted - tho I'm sure we ended up paying him something just to go now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marsh Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Meadows said: Even if they were on roughly £2k per week , not including signing on fees, pension or employers tax / ni we’ve still blown a helluva lot on duds . Vanacek could very well be the next one ! Yes I agree our recruitment has been largely horrendous the last couple of seasons but most players on your list were just short term deals. Just Sammon and Martin have been costly duds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, graygo said: Nearer to £4k a month. You can tell folk you heard that as well now. I’ll take my chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Whatever said: I’ll take my chances. I said he was on nearer to £4k than what you quoted. £12k was more than 50% over our average salary and he was on less than average. I don't fancy your chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 A goodbye on Instagram He’s a grown man ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorillajam Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, graygo said: I said he was on nearer to £4k than what you quoted. £12k was more than 50% over our average salary and he was on less than average. I don't fancy your chances. Makes you wonder why his contract wasn’t paid up earlier given the relatively low wage ?♂️ Anyway, you have your take, I have mine. It’s all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 He came, he saw, he ***** and he left having been well paid in between He did not force us to make the deal, he did not break his end of the deal and it did not work out so I wish him well and it seems we got a little bonus by not having to pay out on all of his deal thanks to the botched move earlier in his contract . There is always a frustration when deals don't work out for the club but there are generally more failures than genuine successes in the transfer world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, graygo said: I said he was on nearer to £4k than what you quoted. £12k was more than 50% over our average salary and he was on less than average. I don't fancy your chances. Ignore me, just read the last page. I thought you were talking per week Edited June 7, 2019 by Taffin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Think he played against raith in our big cup 1-1 draw at starks park, cathro with his , that was ok ha ha ha. never forget that, great times NOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Whatever said: Makes you wonder why his contract wasn’t paid up earlier given the relatively low wage ?♂️ Anyway, you have your take, I have mine. It’s all good. Wait, are we not meant to carry this on for a few more hours before both getting bans and arranging a square go behind the Wheatfield? Edited June 7, 2019 by graygo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Taffin said: Is this per month? I know over 50% could mean over 90% but are you really suggesting our average wage is >7k per week? Yes per month. https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-fc/313705/dundee-fifth-highest-wage-payers-scottish-premiership/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taffin Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, graygo said: Yes per month. https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/dundee-fc/313705/dundee-fifth-highest-wage-payers-scottish-premiership/ Cheers, I was about to panic that we were paying that much to our 'average' players ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, graygo said: Wait, are we not meant to carry this on for a few more hours before both getting bans and arranging a square go behind the Wheatfield? ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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