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Boris
2 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

The ego and air of superiority around the SNP is staggering.  They simply love everything more than anyone else.  They love kids more, immigration more, minorities more, education more, healthcare more, Scotland more, the environment more…it is relentless.

 

All you need is love i8.

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JackLadd
Just now, Boris said:

 

He may well do, but when asked to show his working, it's invariably wrong.  I'm not talking about his point of view, we all can have one of them.

 

But try to back that up with facts, and he falls short.  He sells his opinion as fact, which is just wrong.

 

 

I can hear the Beatles All You Need is Sturge playing in the background.

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i8hibsh
12 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

 

 

Better tell George Galloway quick. 

 

 

Lost track on big George.  Where does he stand on Brexit?

 

We agree on some issues but generally we are quite far apart (apart from wanting to remain in the UK)

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i8hibsh
9 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

 

 

I can hear the Beatles All You Need is Sturge playing in the background.

 

 

Nicola would be too busy listening to the demands and concerns of one non EU resident living in deepest darkest Orkney to listen to anything else.

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Boris
8 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

 

 

I can hear the Beatles All You Need is Sturge playing in the background.

 

Uh-hu.

 

Anyway, Farage and his bullshit...any thoughts?

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Pans Jambo
2 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

The ego and air of superiority around the SNP is staggering.  They simply love everything more than anyone else.  They love kids more, immigration more, minorities more, education more, healthcare more, Scotland more, the environment more…it is relentless.

Lovers not haters i8. Peace not war 👍

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i8hibsh
5 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Lovers not haters i8. Peace not war 👍

 

 

If only,  Scottish Nationalists hate absolutely anything and everyone that thinks differently or dare I say it , get in there way.

 

 

 

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Boris
6 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

If only,  Scottish Nationalists hate absolutely anything and everyone that thinks differently or dare I say it , get in there way.

 

 

That's a bit like saying all British Nationalists go out and stab and shoot Labour MP's.  But hey, your rules.

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i8hibsh
1 minute ago, Boris said:

 

That's a bit like saying all British Nationalists go out and stab and shoot Labour MP's.  But hey, your rules.

 

 

Scottish Nationalists in general are some of the most intolerant bigoted people I have ever known of.

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JackLadd
58 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

Uh-hu.

 

Anyway, Farage and his bullshit...any thoughts?

 

Obviously remoaners think Farage is a BS merchant. The don't bother me with the facts my mind is made up brigade.  

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JackLadd
40 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Scottish Nationalists in general are some of the most intolerant bigoted people I have ever known of.

 

All You Need is Sturge my friend. She'll do your thinking for you. 

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Boris
Just now, JackLadd said:

 

Obviously remoaners think Farage is a BS merchant. The don't bother me with the facts my mind is made up brigade.  

 

That's as may be, but do you want to answer the question?  Nige has thrown a few whoppers in his time, or at best, been guilty of misinformation.  

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JackLadd
1 minute ago, Boris said:

 

That's as may be, but do you want to answer the question?  Nige has thrown a few whoppers in his time, or at best, been guilty of misinformation.  

 

Any as as big as wull keep the pound and oil @ $130 a barrel?

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i8hibsh
2 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

 

Any as as big as wull keep the pound and oil @ $130 a barrel?

 

 

And we huv wind.

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AlimOzturk
1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

If only,  Scottish Nationalists hate absolutely anything and everyone that thinks differently or dare I say it , get in there way.

 

 

 

 

There is a in element of the SNP I detest this uber nationalism does nobody any good. It is actually embarrassing at times. 

 

 

 

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Boris
24 minutes ago, JackLadd said:

 

Any as as big as wull keep the pound and oil @ $130 a barrel?

 

That's not a lie though.  An indy Scotland could keep the pound, and the price of oil is volatile, the figures given were based on that price.  Is anyone daft enough to think it would remain constant?  I guess we would still be in the Commonwealth and so have currency stabilisation?  That's what Ireland wanted to do, wasn't it?  According to you on another thread at least...

 

Lame attempt at deflection.

 

We are talking about your messiah Farage here and the European elections.  I'll take your reluctance, or inability, to answer the question as you conceding the point.

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i8hibsh
6 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

 

There is a in element of the SNP I detest this uber nationalism does nobody any good. It is actually embarrassing at times. 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm being unfair as I was in Hamburg recently and met a few and ending up having a good drink with them.  They wanted absolute independence which means they were fully anti EU membership too.

 

I actually respect that.

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JackLadd
32 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I'm being unfair as I was in Hamburg recently and met a few and ending up having a good drink with them.  They wanted absolute independence which means they were fully anti EU membership too.

 

I actually respect that.

 

Yep, I can respect that view also. Add in a republic and you might sway me despite the economic hardship and tumult.

 

Some n

40 minutes ago, Boris said:

 

That's not a lie though.  An indy Scotland could keep the pound, and the price of oil is volatile, the figures given were based on that price.  Is anyone daft enough to think it would remain constant?  I guess we would still be in the Commonwealth and so have currency stabilisation?  That's what Ireland wanted to do, wasn't it?  According to you on another thread at least...

 

Lame attempt at deflection.

 

We are talking about your messiah Farage here and the European elections.  I'll take your reluctance, or inability, to answer the question as you conceding the point.

 

Eh, Salmond was just $60 to $80 a barrel out on his white paper cash flow projection. Fantasy figures are okay with you though. And wise up, even the SNP have admitted they are not keeping the pound. You are holding onto BS even they have given up on.  

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Boris
1 minute ago, JackLadd said:

 

Yep, I can respect that view also. Add in a republic and you might sway me despite the economic hardship and tumult.

 

Some n

 

Eh, Salmond was just $60 to $80 a barrel out on his white paper cash flow projection. Fantasy figures are okay with you though. And wise up, even the SNP have admitted they are not keeping the pound. You are holding onto BS even they have given up on.  

 

Jeez, wasn't me that brought this stuff into it that was you.  I was merely pointing out that the oil value was a projection, therefore couldn't be a lie!  And the pound thing, back in 2014 we could have kept the pound, so again no lie.  Why you want to mention stuff happening now regards this, I'm not sure.  I'm not holding on to anything, truth be told.  Just wanting you to answer the question, but all you are doing is deflecting with attempted whataboutery.  And, for the record, whilst i voted Yes in 2014 it wasn't swayed one way or the other by the white paper.  So what Salmond claimed or not was, to me, irrelevant. 

 

But this is about Farage and his lies so, care to answer the initial question?  Or can't you?  Or don't you want to?

 

 

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Morph

Never thought i'd see a political party criticised for loving their country ''too much''.

 

 

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i8hibsh
5 minutes ago, Morph said:

Never thought i'd see a political party criticised for loving their country ''too much''.

 

 

 

 

It seems to be only ok when it is them though.  Anyone else dares to put their country first and carry out the wishes of it's people is branded far right fascists by the far left.

 

Scottish Nationalism is the only type that is acceptable to a Scottish Nationalist.

 

 

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Boris
1 hour ago, Boris said:

 

I guess we would still be in the Commonwealth and so have currency stabilisation?  That's what Ireland wanted to do, wasn't it?  According to you on another thread at least...

 

 

Apologies @JackLadd wasn't you.  Looks like I've purveyed fake news!

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Stephen Muddie
1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

It seems to be only ok when it is them though.  Anyone else dares to put their country first and carry out the wishes of it's people is branded far right fascists by the far left.

 

Scottish Nationalism is the only type that is acceptable to a Scottish Nationalist.

 

 

It's a fair point. We must surely have all noticed the hypocrisy reeking from the pores of Sturgeon's disciples. Look at Hungary and the way the EU power base are treating them.

What's the point of the European elections? It's a good question, seeing as MEPs have little power and are accountable to the unelected and irremovable European Commission.

In this case, the point for me was that the UK electorate voted Out 3 years ago and we are still in. I voted Brexit Party for this reason. France, Denmark, Greece, Ireland, Netherlands and now ourselves have had democratic decisions over-ruled. If we can be the ones to break the fluffy veneer of the undemocratic EU, I'll feel immensely proud. If you bother to check out ground level news from other States within the Country, you'll see that, whether we are the first or not, there is trouble ahead for Brussels.

 

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Morph
4 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

It seems to be only ok when it is them though.  Anyone else dares to put their country first and carry out the wishes of it's people is branded far right fascists by the far left.

 

Scottish Nationalism is the only type that is acceptable to a Scottish Nationalist.

 

 

Not sure I agree with that i8. 

 

I think the difference is for some people nationalism means being a more exclusive society and others more inclusive.  I think it’s too simple to say all forms of nationalism are good or bad.  You can support Britain leaving the EU and at the same time want Scotland to be part of the UK and vice versa. 

 

 

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i8hibsh
1 hour ago, Morph said:

Not sure I agree with that i8. 

 

I think the difference is for some people nationalism means being a more exclusive society and others more inclusive.  I think it’s too simple to say all forms of nationalism are good or bad.  You can support Britain leaving the EU and at the same time want Scotland to be part of the UK and vice versa. 

 

 

 

 

The word 'inclusive' is viewed very differently by the left, oh that is for sure.

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Roxy Hearts
10 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Scottish Nationalists in general are some of the most intolerant bigoted people I have ever known of.

Have you ever seen Rangers fans or heard them. Right up your lovely britnat street. 

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JackLadd
1 hour ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Have you ever seen Rangers fans or heard them. Right up your lovely britnat street. 

 

Supporting the snp or EU just to get it up the bigot Sevco horde is not rational. Tempting as it is.

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ri Alban
15 hours ago, JackLadd said:

 

 

Better tell George Galloway quick. 

Is that the same George who used Losing EU membership against independence, during a live STV(It's on YouTube) debate with Jim Sillars.

 

Forgive me if I don't take him at his word.

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ri Alban
15 hours ago, Boris said:

 

Uh-hu.

 

Anyway, Farage and his bullshit...any thoughts?

Any thoughts? :touche:

 

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ri Alban
13 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

It seems to be only ok when it is them though.  Anyone else dares to put their country first and carry out the wishes of it's people is branded far right fascists by the far left.

 

Scottish Nationalism is the only type that is acceptable to a Scottish Nationalist.

 

 

Britnats can GTF. 

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ri Alban
16 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Lost track on big George.  Where does he stand on Brexit?

 

We agree on some issues but generally we are quite far apart (apart from wanting to remain in the UK)

Hopefully brexit will be stopped, then you'll know how I feel. Scots voted for independence, but along with your non Scots in the Scottish electorate, you stopped it. I wonder how Nige would have felt, if EU citizens were allowed to vote and by doing so, stopped brexit. But hey, typical Britnatzi hypocrisy.

 

Karma's a bitch.

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i8hibsh
6 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said:

Have you ever seen Rangers fans or heard them. Right up your lovely britnat street. 

 

 

oh ffs

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i8hibsh
57 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Hopefully brexit will be stopped, then you'll know how I feel. Scots voted for independence, but along with your non Scots in the Scottish electorate, you stopped it. I wonder how Nige would have felt, if EU citizens were allowed to vote and by doing so, stopped brexit. But hey, typical Britnatzi hypocrisy.

 

Karma's a bitch.

 

 

Has there been any democratic outcomes you have accepted? Trump? No vote? Leave vote? Conservative governments?

 

 

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It's cup final day guys. Have a day off.

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Boris
14 hours ago, Stephen Muddie said:

It's a fair point. We must surely have all noticed the hypocrisy reeking from the pores of Sturgeon's disciples. Look at Hungary and the way the EU power base are treating them.


What's the point of the European elections? It's a good question, seeing as MEPs have little power and are accountable to the unelected and irremovable European Commission.

In this case, the point for me was that the UK electorate voted Out 3 years ago and we are still in. I voted Brexit Party for this reason. France, Denmark, Greece, Ireland, Netherlands and now ourselves have had democratic decisions over-ruled. If we can be the ones to break the fluffy veneer of the undemocratic EU, I'll feel immensely proud. If you bother to check out ground level news from other States within the Country, you'll see that, whether we are the first or not, there is trouble ahead for Brussels.

 

Hungary - EU trying to stop the fash?

 

European commission is made up of commissioners appointed by the governments that make up the eu. So they are accountable as the government who appoints them is.

 

Democratic decisions over ruled. Over ruled by whom? By the people after a democratic decision.

 

To me it's not about leaving the eu, but staying in and reforming it. Take it back a notch or two to simply being about trade, more eec.

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ri Alban
1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Has there been any democratic outcomes you have accepted? Trump? No vote? Leave vote? Conservative governments?

 

 

Yes, Ann Budge. You?

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ri Alban
1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Has there been any democratic outcomes you have accepted? Trump? No vote? Leave vote? Conservative governments?

 

 

Oh right, did the UK not already vote for the EU, back in the 70s. You know, seeing as I can't fight for change. Oh and why is it only Brexiters who get to decide brexit. 

And Trump actually had the least votes, Scots voted Yes and Remain, plus, no one up here votes Tory,  only Unionist,  which is fine, but Conservative, na, no one would admit to that in person, unless... Dressed up and goose stepping thro Larkhall.

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ri Alban
1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Has there been any democratic outcomes you have accepted? Trump? No vote? Leave vote? Conservative governments?

 

 

Trump? That's for the Americans, but it doesn't stop me thinking he's an arsehole.

Leave? I can take it or leave it, but if it brings forward independence quicker, I'll use it.

Tories? Filth

 

No vote? I'll never accept this Thief, never. But I'm less angry and looking forward to it happening in the next decade.

 

Greatness is achieved by obsession and it only takes one chance in a million to achieve this greatness.

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Stephen Muddie
4 hours ago, Boris said:

Hungary - EU trying to stop the fash?

 

European commission is made up of commissioners appointed by the governments that make up the eu. So they are accountable as the government who appoints them is.

 

Democratic decisions over ruled. Over ruled by whom? By the people after a democratic decision.

 

To me it's not about leaving the eu, but staying in and reforming it. Take it back a notch or two to simply being about trade, more eec.

Not worthy of a response. Sorry

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