LGBT School Protests

[i8hibsh]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Why not just let kids be kids for a change.  Good on the parents.

 

 

That sounds great but let us get real for a bit, we all know full well I am sure what the parents 'issue' is here.  No?, OK I will say it, Islam despises and I mean despises homosexuality.

 

I actually agree with the sentiment (and indeed with you), this is simply 'too much info' for a young kid at this stage in their life imo but these protests are due to hatred and nothing else. No "let children be children" it is hatred.

 

The image portrayed by the media and the leftists of this religion however is so mind blowingly inaccurate it actually defies belief.  An ideology based almost entirely on violence and hatred to any rational person but pixies, juniper trees, inclusion, love, peace, tolerance and respect if you are the BBC and ironically the LGBT community for example.

 

Thinking being gay is wrong 

 

 

 

[moogsy]

“She said the No Outsiders lessons use a book featuring two mothers and their child, and depicts them doing "normal things".

The idea is to show children how "all families are different". 

"We are not teaching children about same sex couples in the sense of sexual relationships, what we do teach our children is that there are different families and that there are families with two mummies, two daddies."

 

What kind of ignorant ***** do you have to be to get you knickers in a twist over this ?. ‘Let kids be kids’ is an absolute nonsense and doesn’t apply to this situation at all. 

Edited March 26, 2019 by moogsy

[Francis Albert]

This is what diversity means. We must accept that some people believe homosexuality is an abomimation whether promulgated by Muslims or avengelical Christians. We have to accept that genital mutilation is a matter of faith whether committed by Jews or Muslims. We have to accept that forced marriages and honour crimes are OK. Otherwise we are being discriminatory and perpetrating a hate crime. 

[Francis Albert]

18 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

This is what diversity means. We must accept that some people believe homosexuality is an abomimation whether promulgated by Muslims or avengelical Christians. We have to accept that genital mutilation is a matter of faith whether committed by Jews or Muslims. We have to accept that forced marriages and honour crimes are OK. Otherwise we are being discriminatory and perpetrating a hate crime. 

On genital mutilation I meant some Muslims and some Jews of course

[JimKongUno]

Call me old fashioned but school is for learning to spell, count and learn about science

Teaching kids about sex changes and bum humping should be nowhere near the curriculum 

 

[The Brow]

49 minutes ago, JimKongUno said:

Call me old fashioned but school is for learning to spell, count and learn about science

Teaching kids about sex changes and bum humping should be nowhere near the curriculum 

 

 

Old fashioned isn't the term I'd use. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

19 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

What is clear is that the LGBT community seem to be overly tolerant to these hideous religious ideologies (the love in is absolutely bizarre) but these religious ideologies are completely 100% intolerant of them.

 

 

 

 

 

True.  As a  gay man i accept that others are intolerant. It is their right I suppose but when they try and influence and sabotage equality and tolerance then my tolerance is sorely tested.  As others have said it needs nipped in the bud. If they arent happy with the teachings in schools take them out of the classes. It is very concerning. There needs to be a strong statement from the LGBT community condemning this.   

[JudyJudyJudy]

18 hours ago, Paul Allen said:

Looks like a lot of folk on this thread haven't read the Sky News article. The parents aren't protesting because it's against their religion, they're saying four years old it too young to be learning about transgender and LGBT sex education and I am completely with them on that. Same goes for any kind of sex education at such a young age, imo.

Its not about sex education.  Its about how people have different relationships (  loving) and thats ok too. I would assume its just a small part of the education and it acknowledges there are different types of people in the world. 

[i8hibsh]

4 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

True.  As a  gay man i accept that others are intolerant. It is their right I suppose but when they try and influence and sabotage equality and tolerance then my tolerance is sorely tested.  As others have said it needs nipped in the bud. If they arent happy with the teachings in schools take them out of the classes. It is very concerning. There needs to be a strong statement from the LGBT community condemning this.   

 

 

They never do though mate. All I ever see are the LGBT flags at all these 'anti-hate', 'pro immigration' 'anti government', 'pro-Islam' marches. I know the LGBT community is in the vast majority peace loving and don't have much hate but this love is unrequited. There is not one inch of your lifestyle (or mine even) that Islam does not hate. They simply do not deserve the love it gets from LGBT people.

[ri Alban]

13 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

That sounds great but let us get real for a bit, we all know full well I am sure what the parents 'issue' is here.  No?, OK I will say it, Islam despises and I mean despises homosexuality.

 

I actually agree with the sentiment (and indeed with you), this is simply 'too much info' for a young kid at this stage in their life imo but these protests are due to hatred and nothing else. No "let children be children" it is hatred.

 

The image portrayed by the media and the leftists of this religion however is so mind blowingly inaccurate it actually defies belief.  An ideology based almost entirely on violence and hatred to any rational person but pixies, juniper trees, inclusion, love, peace, tolerance and respect if you are the BBC and ironically the LGBT community for example.

 

Thinking being gay is wrong 

 

 

 

Im not Muslim. If gay folk want to teach their kids about relationships, go ahead.

 

Thinking being Muslim is wrong, thinking protection for kids innocence is wrong.

 

 

A minority imposing their will on other folks kids, as usual.

[The Comedian]

Muslims and LGBT people. Two communities that need to hear the word 'no' much more than they do.

[Bindy Badgy]

13 hours ago, Paul Allen said:

 

 What’s your source for this? Sounds like made up bullshit to me. No offence, like.

 

I don't have a source for it but it isn't hard to believe, particularly when you consider that a lot of parents aren't tech savvy enough to set up blocks on the internet. I heard a discussion on the radio a while back about the issue. A teacher on the programme referenced an incident where one of his children saw Peter North's wang whilst doing some research at home for a school project on the North Pole. Lots of seemingly innocent search terms can lead to adult material.

Edited March 27, 2019 by Stokesy

[i8hibsh]

44 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Im not Muslim. If gay folk want to teach their kids about relationships, go ahead.

 

Thinking being Muslim is wrong, thinking protection for kids innocence is wrong.

 

 

A minority imposing their will on other folks kids, as usual.

 

 

I think religion is wrong, period. 

[i8hibsh]

32 minutes ago, The Comedian said:

Muslims and LGBT people. Two communities that need to hear the word 'no' much more than they do.

 

Certainly agree with that.

[moogsy]

1 hour ago, ri Alban said:

Im not Muslim. If gay folk want to teach their kids about relationships, go ahead.

 

Thinking being Muslim is wrong, thinking protection for kids innocence is wrong.

 

 

A minority imposing their will on other folks kids, as usual.

 

Thinking that teaching kids that same sex relationships exist is damaging their innocence  

 

[Inch Hearts]

What is actually wrong with explaining to children that all different people come from all different backgrounds be it religion or same sex relationships?  That why by the time kids get to the age of ten they will know that there is very little wrong with it regardless of it being a minority. 

[Marvin]

On 26/03/2019 at 08:58, moogsy said:

https://news.sky.com/story/lessons-about-gay-relationships-spark-protests-outside-birmingham-school-11674897

 

Disgraceful scenes. Very unsettling that some schools have already stopped teaching these lessons, pandering to the protestors.

 

If the parents don’t like it they should home school their kids. 

 

With Islam being the fastest growing religion in the UK is this perhaps a worrying sign of things to come in terms of a step backward for LGBT rights? 

 

Needs to be nipped in the bud IMO and these parents told to **** off. 

 

I cant believe that is still an issue. Its the 21st Century ffs. People should be told to "Deal with it!"

[i8hibsh]

1 hour ago, Inch Hearts said:

What is actually wrong with explaining to children that all different people come from all different backgrounds be it religion or same sex relationships?  That why by the time kids get to the age of ten they will know that there is very little wrong with it regardless of it being a minority. 

 

 

Plenty when the kids are very young like in this case.

[i8hibsh]

33 minutes ago, Marvin said:

 

I cant believe that is still an issue. Its the 21st Century ffs. People should be told to "Deal with it!"

 

 

People of that faith are not willing to "deal with it" - this is the issue.  They want us to "deal with it" when it comes to their demands and special privileges they seek.

 

 

[moogsy]

14 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Plenty when the kids are very young like in this case.

 

 

 

Thank **** you don’t have children. 

[The Brow]

17 hours ago, Paul Allen said:

 

 What’s your source for this? Sounds like made up bullshit to me. No offence, like.

 

Its well documented on almost every child protection website that the average age is anything from 6-10 years of age. 

 

 

[The Brow]

22 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Plenty when the kids are very young like in this case.

 

Do you know any teachers or people that work with children? 

 

You should ask them for their experiences of children and online pornography, genuinely mind blowing how young they are being exposed to hard pornography and creepy *******s online. 

 

Back to the point though, there's nothing wrong with teaching children to be inclusive surely. 

Edited March 27, 2019 by The Brow

[i8hibsh]

20 minutes ago, The Brow said:

 

Do you know any teachers or people that work with children? 

 

You should ask them for their experiences of children and online pornography, genuinely mind blowing how young they are being exposed to hard pornography and creepy *******s online. 

 

Back to the point though, there's nothing wrong with teaching children to be inclusive surely. 

 

 

Inclusive is such a meaningless word.  As soon as a group of people add 'community' to the end of their 'label' the term goes out the window.

[Guest Paul Allen]

5 hours ago, Stokesy said:

 

I don't have a source for it but it isn't hard to believe, particularly when you consider that a lot of parents aren't tech savvy enough to set up blocks on the internet.

 

So did you just make it up then?

 

1 hour ago, The Brow said:

 

Its well documented on almost every child protection website that the average age is anything from 6-10 years of age. 

 

 

 

That's not what I have found. I did a quick search after Stokey's bold and uncorroborated claim which unearthed the following:

11 years old: https://www.netnanny.com/blog/the-detrimental-effects-of-pornography-on-small-children/

13 years old: https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2017/08/pornography-exposure

13 years old :https://news.unl.edu/newsrooms/today/article/boys-and-porn-researchers-find-age-of-first-exposure-linked-to-sexist/

11 years old :https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-randel/parenting-in-the-digital-age-of-pornography_b_9301802.html

11 years old: http://www.sec-ed.co.uk/best-practice/pshe-rse-the-impact-of-porn-on-the-young/

13 years old: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40814082

10 to 17 years old: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/children-raised-on-diet-of-porn-more-likely-to-engage-in-risky-sexual-behaviour-warns-report-8630297.html

[Guest Paul Allen]

6 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Its not about sex education.

 

The topic is called "Sex and Relationships Education". It's currently mandatory in secondary schools, but under new curriculum RSE will also be taught in primary schools. I don't think children should be getting sex education until say 11 years old. I mean fair enough training teachers how to politely (and respectfully to LGBT folk) answer a question if a pupil raised his/her hand, aye. But a whole subject dedicated to it for children as young as four-years-old, nah mate.

Edited March 27, 2019 by Paul Allen

[Bindy Badgy]

44 minutes ago, Paul Allen said:

 

So did you just make it up then?

 

 

That's not what I have found. I did a quick search after Stokey's bold and uncorroborated claim which unearthed the following:

11 years old: https://www.netnanny.com/blog/the-detrimental-effects-of-pornography-on-small-children/

13 years old: https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2017/08/pornography-exposure

13 years old :https://news.unl.edu/newsrooms/today/article/boys-and-porn-researchers-find-age-of-first-exposure-linked-to-sexist/

11 years old :https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-randel/parenting-in-the-digital-age-of-pornography_b_9301802.html

11 years old: http://www.sec-ed.co.uk/best-practice/pshe-rse-the-impact-of-porn-on-the-young/

13 years old: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40814082

10 to 17 years old: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/children-raised-on-diet-of-porn-more-likely-to-engage-in-risky-sexual-behaviour-warns-report-8630297.html

 

I didn't make the initial claim and acknowledged that I don't have any evidence to confirm or refute it so it would be nice if your posts could be a bit less condescending. I merely stated that it isn't particularly hard to believe.

[Guest Paul Allen]

4 minutes ago, Stokesy said:

 

I didn't make the initial claim and acknowledged that I don't have any evidence to confirm or refute it so it would be nice if your posts could be a bit less condescending.

 

Oh aye, neither you did. Sorry pal.

[The Brow]

1 hour ago, Paul Allen said:

 

So did you just make it up then?

 

 

That's not what I have found. I did a quick search after Stokey's bold and uncorroborated claim which unearthed the following:

11 years old: https://www.netnanny.com/blog/the-detrimental-effects-of-pornography-on-small-children/

13 years old: https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2017/08/pornography-exposure

13 years old :https://news.unl.edu/newsrooms/today/article/boys-and-porn-researchers-find-age-of-first-exposure-linked-to-sexist/

11 years old :https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-randel/parenting-in-the-digital-age-of-pornography_b_9301802.html

11 years old: http://www.sec-ed.co.uk/best-practice/pshe-rse-the-impact-of-porn-on-the-young/

13 years old: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40814082

10 to 17 years old: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/children-raised-on-diet-of-porn-more-likely-to-engage-in-risky-sexual-behaviour-warns-report-8630297.html

 

Before I send you some links, I'm more interested in why you're replying to me in this manner. Twice now you've posted in the manner of, what can only be described as, a complete ****ing arsehole. 

 

Any reason or you just in a bad mood? Are you normally such a twat ? 

 

 

 

Edited March 27, 2019 by The Brow

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 hours ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

They never do though mate. All I ever see are the LGBT flags at all these 'anti-hate', 'pro immigration' 'anti government', 'pro-Islam' marches. I know the LGBT community is in the vast majority peace loving and don't have much hate but this love is unrequited. There is not one inch of your lifestyle (or mine even) that Islam does not hate. They simply do not deserve the love it gets from LGBT people.

Its not " love " from  the LGBT community.   its respect differences,  which the education system is trying to promote. People have historically lumped together in " communities" for support and acceptance of their particular gender, sexuality, religion or whatever. Its only when they turn against other " communities" it becomes an issue.  Yes it would be a fantastic world if we were just one community but thats never going to happen. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, The Brow said:

 

Do you know any teachers or people that work with children? 

 

You should ask them for their experiences of children and online pornography, genuinely mind blowing how young they are being exposed to hard pornography and creepy *******s online. 

 

Back to the point though, there's nothing wrong with teaching children to be inclusive surely. 

Agreed

[i8hibsh]

11 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Its not " love " from  the LGBT community.   its respect differences,  which the education system is trying to promote. People have historically lumped together in " communities" for support and acceptance of their particular gender, sexuality, religion or whatever. Its only when they turn against other " communities" it becomes an issue.  Yes it would be a fantastic world if we were just one community but thats never going to happen. 

 

 

How can you respect something that has such hatred and hostility towards you. 

 

I do get however that the LGBT community is just infinitely better than Islam (no contest there) and I get the whole ‘rise above them’ and ‘ and ‘retaliate with love’ but Islam quite simply does not deserve it.

 

The LGBT community is larger than the Islamic one on these shores and have way more friends, sod em.

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

How can you respect something that has such hatred and hostility towards you. 

 

I do get however that the LGBT community is just infinitely better than Islam (no contest there) and I get the whole ‘rise above them’ and ‘ and ‘retaliate with love’ but Islam quite simply does not deserve it.

 

The LGBT community is larger than the Islamic one on these shores and have way more friends, sod em.

Like yourself Im against any religions. I cant think of any which respect or tolerate LGBT so not arguing on that. I mean that people are entitled to their beliefs but not when it seeks to take away rights of other people.

[gjcc]

10 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

How can you respect something that has such hatred and hostility towards you. 

 

I do get however that the LGBT community is just infinitely better than Islam (no contest there) and I get the whole ‘rise above them’ and ‘ and ‘retaliate with love’ but Islam quite simply does not deserve it.

 

The LGBT community is larger than the Islamic one on these shores and have way more friends, sod em.

 

Interesting choice of phrase. Not sure they’ll be keen.  

[CavySlaveJambo]

According to the Terrence Higgins Trust, age appropriate, Sex and Relationship Education is going to be compulsory in all schools in England from 2020.   

 

As long as it is age appropriate I don’t understand what the whole fuss is about. LGBT+ is not a choice. And if it saves people from a lot of angst in their future about being themselves it will be a good thing. 

[Governor Tarkin]

On 26/03/2019 at 19:02, Paul Allen said:

 

 What’s your source for this? Sounds like made up bullshit to me. No offence, like.

 

I was probably about 8 when I found my first bongo mag stuffed into a hedge on the way home from school.

[Governor Tarkin]

On 27/03/2019 at 13:01, i8hibsh said:

As soon as a group of people add 'community' to the end of their 'label' the term goes out the window.

 

Why is this?

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Why is this?

 

 

These communities are very exclusive.  The absolute opposite of inclusive.  The LGBT one, the Islamic one etc.  How can these communities be inclusive? I would have to be something to be included, I can't be in their community as I am now.  They exclude me unless I become something in particular to be let in.  They are both open yes, but only if 'one of them'.  

[i8hibsh]

W e have the 'black community', the 'LGBT community', the 'Muslim community', the 'Chinese community'why must they be referred to as that?

 

How far would I get by saying I am in the 'straight white male community' before being shot down as Adolf Hitler?

 

By saying 'community' they are instantly distancing and separating themselves.

 

 

[Governor Tarkin]

12 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

These communities are very exclusive.  The absolute opposite of inclusive.  The LGBT one, the Islamic one etc.  How can these communities be inclusive? I would have to be something to be included, I can't be in their community as I am now.  They exclude me unless I become something in particular to be let in.  They are both open yes, but only if 'one of them'.  

 

7 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

W e have the 'black community', the 'LGBT community', the 'Muslim community', the 'Chinese community'why must they be referred to as that?

 

How far would I get by saying I am in the 'straight white male community' before being shot down as Adolf Hitler?

 

By saying 'community' they are instantly distancing and separating themselves.

 

 

 

It looks like you have a poor understanding of the term community.

 

It could mean a community of interest, a community of action, a community of circumstance, a geographical community, or a bunch of others I've not got the time to list.

 

Some of those will be exclusive, some will be inclusive, but most will have overlapping boundaries which by their nature are fluid.

 

For example, say you are a straight, white male (a perfectly valid community of circumstance), who is a Hearts supporter (community of interest), who campaigns for Brexit (community of action), and lives in a specific area of Edinburgh (geographical community).

 

Where is the conflict?

 

[luckyBatistuta]

36 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

I was probably about 8 when I found my first bongo mag stuffed into a hedge on the way home from school.

 

And your mum and dad had no idea where you’d disappeared to until your high school enrolment.

[Governor Tarkin]

5 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

And your mum and dad had no idea where you’d disappeared to until your high school enrolment.

 

 

They had fair idea, mate.

Edited March 28, 2019 by Governor Tarkin

[luckyBatistuta]

14 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

 

They had fair idea, mate.

 

8 year old Tarkin’s father

 

 

[Governor Tarkin]

4 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

8 year old Tarkin’s father

 

 

 

Not baldy enough.

[luckyBatistuta]

18 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Not baldy enough.

 

You know what causes baldness 

[Governor Tarkin]

Just now, luckyBatistuta said:

 

You know what causes baldness 

 

Driving taxis?

[luckyBatistuta]

1 minute ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Driving taxis?

 

[i8hibsh]

3 minutes ago, luckyBatistuta said:

 

You know what causes baldness 

 

 

Alopecia?

 

And yes, I did have to google the spelling.

Edited March 28, 2019 by i8hibsh

[i8hibsh]

1 hour ago, Governor Tarkin said:

 

 

It looks like you have a poor understanding of the term community.

 

It could mean a community of interest, a community of action, a community of circumstance, a geographical community, or a bunch of others I've not got the time to list.

 

Some of those will be exclusive, some will be inclusive, but most will have overlapping boundaries which by their nature are fluid.

 

For example, say you are a straight, white male (a perfectly valid community of circumstance), who is a Hearts supporter (community of interest), who campaigns for Brexit (community of action), and lives in a specific area of Edinburgh (geographical community).

 

Where is the conflict?

 

 

 

I agree that community could and should mean that GT but in the case of Muslim, LGBT, Chinese etc it does not.  It is a non-inclusive badge wearing community.

 

We are not talking people who live in the local area, kids go to same school etc.  We are talking a Muslim or a lesbian living up in say Aberdeen saying they are in the same community as people they do not know down in Plymouth for no other reason that what they are, or the label they wear.

 

 

[Governor Tarkin]

2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

Alopecia?

 

 

Alopecia from the neck down should be mandatory for all women, imo.

[i8hibsh]

Just now, Governor Tarkin said:

 

Alopecia from the neck down should be mandatory for all women, imo.

 

 

Dunno likes, quite like it uncut inbetween the goal posts.