Marvin Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 University of Bath have grown animal cells in a lab in the first step towards slaughter free meat. https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/university-bath-grown-animal-cells-2661846 Could be good for the future of the planet. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Regarding beef, it'll reduce the methane that damages the ozone layer. For everything else it's probably just going to destroy farmers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 If it tastes the same and has the same texture and costs about the same, I'm all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¼½¾ Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Research into this has been going on for a while. I watched a programme last year where some guy ate a burger made from lab produced 'beef'. Here's a video from 5 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boab Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Reminds of the film, The Fly, when Geoff Goldblum put a steak through that crazy teleporter thingy he had build. Got that lassie to try it and she was sick ! Let it lie, I say ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 the one thing i think about what would we do with say the cows that are used for beef? We as a species dont have a right to wipe out cows due to not needing them for beef (yes milk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, milky_26 said: the one thing i think about what would we do with say the cows that are used for beef? We as a species dont have a right to wipe out cows due to not needing them for beef (yes milk) Modern livestock wouldn't be able to survive in the wild. They are 100% dependent on us. Male cattle tend to be killed in their first few days unless they are being bred as a breeding bull. Veal isn't sold much over here so male cows are simply disposed of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Tried a vegan sausage roll today. Was alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I'd be all for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, milky_26 said: the one thing i think about what would we do with say the cows that are used for beef? We as a species dont have a right to wipe out cows due to not needing them for beef (yes milk) These species are around as a result of selective breeding so I don't think there's any moral need to keep them around, particularly when you consider that their existing is pushing wild animals towards extinction. Additionally, their lives are shit. If you gave me the choice between not existing and being a farm animal I would choose not existing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Would be for this if the cost is similar to "real" meat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Lemongrab said: Research into this has been going on for a while. I watched a programme last year where some guy ate a burger made from lab produced 'beef'. Here's a video from 5 years ago. I've watched a couple of things about this too. The big problems are that the meat we eat has been exercised, and it contains fats and other substances that occur naturally in living bodies. Without these elements lab grown meat is tasteless and of a weird texture. It'll be interesting to see if they're able to meet these challenges in a cost effective way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 6 hours ago, milky_26 said: the one thing i think about what would we do with say the cows that are used for beef? Stick them in the Zoo. Well if the vegans and animal protesters get their way that'll be the only place where you will find them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Stokesy said: These species are around as a result of selective breeding so I don't think there's any moral need to keep them around, particularly when you consider that their existing is pushing wild animals towards extinction. Additionally, their lives are shit. If you gave me the choice between not existing and being a farm animal I would choose not existing. Hardly comparable. And many humans are denied that choice anyway when they are elderly and sick beyond help. Anyway, this is interesting. On the surface it seems like a no brainer from an environmental point of view and world hunger. However, we'd need to be really careful about the health implications. It's easy enough to say it's fine but we'd need proper longitudinal studies. Also, what's the impact on farmer's and the current farm animals as it won't end with beef if it's a success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
¼½¾ Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: Hardly comparable. And many humans are denied that choice anyway when they are elderly and sick beyond help. Anyway, this is interesting. On the surface it seems like a no brainer from an environmental point of view and world hunger. However, we'd need to be really careful about the health implications. It's easy enough to say it's fine but we'd need proper longitudinal studies. Also, what's the impact on farmer's and the current farm animals as it won't end with beef if it's a success. This article mentions that companies are already started on chicken, duck and pork. Pork is an interesting one. As far as I understand, Muslims and Jews won't eat pork (among other things), because their holy books say they're unclean animals. I wonder if Muhmmad and Abraham would be able to munch, guilt free, on a lovely bacon roll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 47 minutes ago, Lemongrab said: This article mentions that companies are already started on chicken, duck and pork. Pork is an interesting one. As far as I understand, Muslims and Jews won't eat pork (among other things), because their holy books say they're unclean animals. I wonder if Muhmmad and Abraham would be able to munch, guilt free, on a lovely bacon roll? Not using this method I'd have thought, as the cells for the lab meat are initially harvested from a live animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 12 hours ago, Marvin said: University of Bath have grown animal cells in a lab in the first step towards slaughter free meat. https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/university-bath-grown-animal-cells-2661846 Could be good for the future of the planet. Thoughts? Vegetables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 This is a good idea. The environmental impact of the meat industry is very high, so anything that can be done to reduce that is worthwhile. Bovines were wild animals before humans domesticated them so, given time, they will re-adjust to living wild again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJambo Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Smithee said: I've watched a couple of things about this too. The big problems are that the meat we eat has been exercised, and it contains fats and other substances that occur naturally in living bodies. Without these elements lab grown meat is tasteless and of a weird texture. It'll be interesting to see if they're able to meet these challenges in a cost effective way. This has got to be the biggest challenge they have. Steak without marbled fat to melt into it wouldn't be the same. No pork crackling? Chicken thighs, juicier than breast because it's a well worked joint would be no different. Just chicken, just beef, just pork.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I've been hearing a lot of good things about the 'impossible burger'. I think it's plant based as opposed to lab grown, however it's apparently indistinguishable between a normal meat burger - seen a few reviews from people claiming it's actually better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I think this is a really interesting area. As others have pointed out the methane produced by cows is insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcc Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 34 minutes ago, Toggie88 said: I've been hearing a lot of good things about the 'impossible burger'. I think it's plant based as opposed to lab grown, however it's apparently indistinguishable between a normal meat burger - seen a few reviews from people claiming it's actually better. Impossible!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 43 minutes ago, Toggie88 said: I've been hearing a lot of good things about the 'impossible burger'. I think it's plant based as opposed to lab grown, however it's apparently indistinguishable between a normal meat burger - seen a few reviews from people claiming it's actually better. Over here, certain fast food outlets sell something called a "Beyond Meat Burger". It's 100% plant-based and it is indistinguishable from a normal meat burger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toggie88 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 52 minutes ago, Maple Leaf said: Over here, certain fast food outlets sell something called a "Beyond Meat Burger". It's 100% plant-based and it is indistinguishable from a normal meat burger. Appears it's over here as well now, Bob: https://www.livekindly.co/vegan-beyond-burger-arrives-at-tesco-uk-supermarkets-nationwide/ Will need to give them a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 On 26/03/2019 at 20:32, Maple Leaf said: This is a good idea. The environmental impact of the meat industry is very high, so anything that can be done to reduce that is worthwhile. Bovines were wild animals before humans domesticated them so, given time, they will re-adjust to living wild again. Not convinced that would be the case tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: Not convinced that would be the case tbh. No-one knows for sure, of course, but there are populations of wild animals at different places in the world that originated from domesticated animals. Horses, cats, and camels come to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Leaf Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Toggie88 said: Appears it's over here as well now, Bob: https://www.livekindly.co/vegan-beyond-burger-arrives-at-tesco-uk-supermarkets-nationwide/ Will need to give them a go. I really like them, and haven't had a beef burger since I tried the Beyond burgers. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. When first introduced here, the demand was so great that the supplier ran out of stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Maple Leaf said: Over here, certain fast food outlets sell something called a "Beyond Meat Burger". It's 100% plant-based and it is indistinguishable from a normal meat burger. Ah, so that's what that south park was about! 1 hour ago, AlphonseCapone said: Not convinced that would be the case tbh. Wild cows already exist, but anyway, there'll still be a market for animal grown meat, probably from hipsters. They won't die out, we'll just farm them less intensely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Smithee said: Ah, so that's what that south park was about! Wild cows already exist, but anyway, there'll still be a market for animal grown meat, probably from hipsters. They won't die out, we'll just farm them less intensely. So do wild dogs but I'm no sending Rover out into the wild ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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